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I think thats from the fourth data book, it also has Hinata with Fire and lightning nature and Sakura with Water and Earth nature.
Wood release?
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No it doesn't, obito doesn't have animal path until you can prove otherwise, until then the wiki is wrong.
Completely irrelevant, nothing here suggests that obito has nagato's animal path summons.
Animal path, asura path, deva path, & nakara path all disagree with that.
Again irrelevant, they have jutsus listed in obito's arsenal that he hasn't been shown to do. Just because the wiki believes he may have access to them based on a theory doesn't mean that they should be added in his list of usable jutsus.
There's already evidence suggesting he can't use all 6 paths in the first place. [
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^ Lol They even have amaterasu as a form of enton, & they classify enton as an advanced nature manipulation along with yoton. Smh
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Having an arm made of Hashirama's DNA gives Naruto the potential to use Mokuton. That's likely why the wiki added that.
If you're referring to BZ's statement about the Gudou Dama containing Wood nature, it was a mistake which was later clarified by a comment from Kishi in WSJ.
If you're referring to BZ's statement about the Gudou Dama containing Wood nature, it was a mistake which was later clarified by a comment from Kishi in WSJ.
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Thats extra when you can combine two elements to make a 3rd. Sakura can’t combine them,She can only used them singularly.
What a bulshit. Man are those guys drunk to created such useless databook .
I thought wood release was part of Asura. Yeah I know Asura did not have wood release, but why Hashi is the only Senju, that
use wood release ? Even his son and grandchildren did not have wood release or his father and brother.
I thought wood release was part of Asura. Yeah I know Asura did not have wood release, but why Hashi is the only Senju, that
use wood release ? Even his son and grandchildren did not have wood release or his father and brother.
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Manga has suggested Obito can use all Rinnegan powers [With the exception of Limbo], from the most basic ones to the "true power" he wanted Nagato to awaken [Rinne Tensei]. The reason he never got around to using every last power, was because it was not strategically sound.
You're taking that page out of context, where Obito was referring to using double the power.
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He probably does have mokuton but a very weak one. He could possibly only use it in cqc like obito has done in the past.
That doesn't suggest a thing, gai was assuming that he can use them all. Kakashi not only said "maybe he can't" but the only observation that he made was the fact that controlling the jins requires a hefty amount of chakra. Obito didn't praise both gai & kakashi for their statements, therefore what gai said doesn't apply.
But if you want to assume that obito was referring to gai anyways then that still doesn't mean anything. Obito does know how to use at least two paths, & nobody suggested that that he can use all of them, merely that they developed counters for all of them. Therefore nothing in that page implies that he can use every single path.
That statement applies to all eyes, if you don't have both you can't use the full power of any set of eyes, & you lose abilities on top of that. Obito without his other eye doesn't have long ranged kamui or susanoo, itachi would lose either ama or tsuku, sasuke would lose ama or enton. Without both eyes it's heavily implied that you don't gain all the abilities of that dojutsu, hence why I brought up that scan.
What both of them said applies; Kakashi was stating he was restricted because of chakra reasons, not inexperience.
Backwards logic there: he's not using them because they would be a waste of energy.
Doesn't work that way. Readers assumed for a long time that Obito's eyes each had "exclusive" abilities, when the manga showed:
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Obito's left eye can infact use long-range Kamui [Which is how he saved Sakura], and the right eye can use self-teleporting Kamui, which is how Madara got into the time-space in the first place.
The reason neither one of them used these powers was because of good ol' plot no jutsu. Obito's eyes are not like Sasuke and Itachi's either. Obito's statement was about outputting double-the-power with two eyes, not awakening further abilities.
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He was restricted from using rinnegan abilities through his paths. Nowhere does it say that obito can use for example deva path if he wasn't controlling the bijuu, nothing implies that.
He's not using any of the rinnegan abilities because it's a waste of energy & also because they know counters to all the paths jutsus, so using any of them is pointless.
Again, nothing implies he could use every single rinnegan jutsu if he had the energy for it, merely that using any of them is pointless & that he doesn't have the energy to use any of them.
Not to mention the most obvious fact here, obito is a massive liar, why on earth would he correct both kakashi & gai & say that he doesn't have more power than they think? That logic literally makes no sense.
Lol You think because obito teleported sakura outside of his dimension without contact that now means he gains kakashi's long-ranged ability? Sorry but not a chance, obito has been warping objects/people out of his dimension without contact throughout the entirety of the manga, this ability isn't even slightly new. [
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]Until obito can use kakashi's long ranged kamui to rip something out of the real world & into the kamui dimension, he doesn't have it, & this doesn't prove it.
No it can't & that's a fact, obito has always been able to teleport objects outside his dimension without having to touch them, it doesn't work in reverse.
Only when both eyes are together can susanoo be awakened, it isn't an ability that only one eye can grant. Therefore saying having both eyes doesn't unlock further abilities is wrong.
Each eye has a single ability, take away that eye & you can't use that ability anymore. Your logic suggests that sasuke can use ama without a left eye, since having two eyes doesn't mean. you get more abilities according to you.
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He was restricted because he was already burning up chakra trying to control the Jinchuriki. As I said, Obito was capable of using the Rinnegan's "true power":
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He can use Ningendo [Choosing not to kill Yamato], and his Gedo powers are more powerful than Nagato's.
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What in the world makes you think he can't use the Rinnegan's various paths, other than him not getting the chance to show them off because of circumstances? You seem to be very eager to waste your time today.
[And I never said Obito could use all Rinnegan jutsu, only the ones Nagato could use]
No idea what this is referring to.
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And that's been debunked. The door swings both ways. The reason we never got Kakashi teleporting into Akatsuki's hideout or Obito sniping everyone was because Kishimoto is a hack writer.
That "fact" was fanon.
Madara used Susano'o without even having eyes, so I'm not sure what this has to do with the discussion. Obito was not talking about Susano'o. What we saw when Madara got his other eye:
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Were not things he couldn't have done with one eye. The only genuinely new Rinnegan power we saw from Madara was Limbo, and he did that with one eye.
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Which is false in Obito's case.
No, actually. I said Obito cannot be compared to Sasuke and Itachi.
Still doesn't imply he can use all the paths.
Lol Nagato attaining the rinnegan's true power =/= obito attaining it, let alone it's full power. This scan ultimately proves nothing.
I already know he can do this, that's 1/6, five more to show me he can use.
Okay he can use outer path, I already knew that. That's 2/6, four more.
The fact that he doesn't have both eyes & can't access it's full power, & the fact that he's been given multiple opportunities to use different paths yet didn't.
Yet I'm not the one arguing in circles trying to prove something that's impossible to confirm. Lol
He can't do either.
If kakashi & gai assume that obito can use all the rinnegan techniques then why would he bother to correct them if he can't? Just because he agreed with them doesn't mean he was confirming that he can use those jutsus, he could've been lying to throw them off as he's been known to do. With that being said, the scan you posted becomes completely irrelevant.
Again, it's not news that he can warp things out of his dimension without contact, that doesn't set his kamui apart from kakashi's. Obito cant bring objects into his dimension without contact, let alone rip something into it via kamui.
Because it doesn't matter, you can warp yourself regardless of which eye you have, that's not the distinguishing feature between the two.
No because that's simply untrue, you can warp in & out of the kamui dimension regardless of the eye you have. Obito still cant bring things into his dimension without contact which is the only difference between the eyes & the only thing I'm referring to.
Again, showing me irrelevant things about kamui I already know, I'm still waiting for that scan of obito using his kamui to warp something into his dimension without contact.
Yet you can't prove a thing & you think that both eyes behaving similarly = both eyes have the same capabilities. Sorry but it doesn't work like that.
...Because he already unlocked it, seriously are you trying to bring up redundant points on purpose?
Unlocking both mangekyou jutsus in both eyes unlocks the ability to use susanoo, but with only one mangekyou eye that never becomes a possibility. Never said that you can only use susanoo with one eye.
Never said he was, susanoo is the full power of two eyes that have both of their abilities.
Yes he gained the full power of his limbo, that's another thing having both eyes does & I never denied it. Kamui becomes 2x faster with both eyes, same concept. Doesn't change the fact that having both eyes gives you more abilities than one [unless both abilities do the exact same thing like in shisui's case, but shisui is an exception in general seeing as his jutsu has an extremely long cooldown time].
& Your point is completely irrelevant in the first place, I never said that getting both eyes would give madara abilities he hasn't shown us. Each of madara's eyes has a number of abilities, when he gets both eyes he can use all abilities [like nagato] & they become more powerful due to the "having both eyes awakens their full potential" comment. Nothing new here
Prove he can use CBT with the one eye he had. My point is that only one of his eyes had the deva path ability.
I never once said that limbo was an ability exclusive to both eyes so Idk why you think this is relevant either. Only one of his eyes has the limbo ability, or maybe it's the one exception & you can use it with any eye, seeing as it's not a path.
Which is true in obito's case since you have yet to prove that he can snipe like kakashi, you merely highlighted abilities that they both share which isn't special.
Then your argument doesn't hold & my point still stands regardless of obito/kakashi's ability. Shisui shares the same ability between both eyes, that still doesn't change the fact that on eye is is exclusive to it's own ability/set of abilities.
Unless you can prove that rinnegan jutsus such as deva path or human path aren't exclusive to a single eye then there's no reason to believe such a thing since all eyes are.
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Then you don't understand how Gedo [Chakra rods] works. You're pretty much saying for example, because Obito never channeled chakra chains through the Jinchuriki Paths, he can't do that himself, right?
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And yet that's exactly what he did. Terrible argumentation.
The "true power" in that context was Gedo: Rinne Tensei, which Obito is capable of using.
That was because of circumstances, such as his enemies already knowing most of the jutsu and him burning up chakra to control the Jinchuriki.
They assumed he can't use those techniques because of strategic reasons. They are optional.
This has to be one of the worst attempts at argumentation I've ever seen on this site.
He could, actually. It was never shown because Kishimoto is a hack writer.
It does, actually, because Kishimoto never showed that eye to possess that power until very late in the story. If Kakashi could have warped into Obito's dimension this whole time, or teleported anywhere he wanted like Obito could, the story would have a very different outcome.
Based on what? Don't tell me chapter 674.
Manga says both eyes are using Kamui. It never says "Kamui A" or "Kamui B", or like how Sasuke has "Amaterasu" and "Enton: Kagu-tsuchi". That's the the difference.
How can you use a Dojutsu without having eyes present? You're the one who brought up Susano'o in the first place.
One more time: Obito was not talking about Susano'o. It's an irrelevant example.
Based on what, again, Rinnegan-wise?
No, that's exactly what you said, and went on to use Susano'o as an example. Rinnegan does not work like Mangekyo Sharingan in that it has left/right centric powers. Find me page that says as much.
Based on what, again?
Isn't that what Sasuke did?
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Left eye Kamui saved Kakashi.
There is no evidence of any of that other than something called "hack writing". The Rinnegan does not work like the Mangekyo Sharingan.
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What the hell is this? Nothing in my argument says this at all so Idk why you're trying to pin flawed logic on me.
It's again as if you think I don't know this, it's obvious that obito can use chakra chains as it's an outer path ability, an ability he's been confirmed to have.
Dude you need to stop failing, rinnei tensei is an outer path ability, one of the abilities that he's confirmed to have. If obito was simply referring to rinnei tensei in any case prove it, prove he wasn't referring to nagato attaining all the paths.
This is simply you deflecting the fact that he's been given chances regardless of how you look at it. ST is always useful, for example he could've easily done it
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. & Deva path can fly which is universally useful otherwise JJ obito wouldn't have used his flight.Not to mention since it's been shown that obito can use rinnegan jutsus [chakra chains] while intangible then there was nothing stopping him from using preta from stopping naruto's
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to the face.There are plenty of examples where using the rinnegan jutsus would've been more beneficial than not using them, I'm not going to go through each & every one but the point is that your excuses are not valid.
And here you are still failing to understand what I said. Again, why would obito correct kakashi & gai for assuming that he [obito] has more jutsus than they [kakashi & gai] believe? That logic makes no sense from a strategic standpoint, it would be like giving away one of your weaknesses.
Then your nonsense isn't worth my time, if you go by the logic that obito would HELP kakashi & gai by telling them he doesn't have the jutsus they think he has then your not worth replying to.
Obito, the man who fooled the world into thinking he was madara, is going to correct kakashi & gai by telling them he's weaker than they think. That's f*cking golden logic right there...
Excuse, concession accepted.
Just because kakashi didn't warp into obito's dimension doesn't mean that he couldn't have, & how do you know what the story would be like? You aren't kishi.
Again this changes nothing, you still havent given me the scan I'm looking for & you're trying to find ways to argue around that.
Based on the fact that both eyes have done it.
Lol So because they have the same name they must have the same abilities? Sorry that's not proof, as I said each kamui eye has a function that the other one can't do.
Because you don't need eyes in order to use it, you need eyes in order to unlock it, there's a difference.
It doesn't matter what obito was referring to, the full power of two eyes when they're together is susanoo, this is a fact. Obito's statement means less than nothing to me as it's completely irrelevant to what I'm saying.
Rinnegan is an evolution of the sharingan which follows this concept, unless there's proof to suggest otherwise then there's absolutely no reason to assume anything else.
Lmfao No I didn't, give me the quote where I said that nonsense.
An example of a new ability you unlock as long as you have both eyes when you awaken your mangekyou.
Prove it.
Burden of proof is on you, the rinnegan is an evolved version of the sharingan which follows this concept, what reason would there be for the rinnegan to not follow that?
Based on how dojutsu abilities work.
Sasuke is hardly a valid comparison, his eye could have the deva path ability in it, or he doesn't need both eyes since he only unlocked one.
Madara unlocked two, so he needs two in order to use it's full power.
.....You can't be serious... I was talking about the abilities the eyes share being nothing special, I never said that kamui itself wasn't special, this entire response was completely pointless & irrelevant. Nothing is special about the abilities the eyes share between eachother. Jeez I honestly thought I wouldn't have to spoonfeed my words to you by being so specific. U_U
"Hack writing" Isn't going to be the excuse that saves you, sorry but if you want to chalk it up as "hack writing" then concession accepted.