[Debate] Women shouldn't be allowed in combat

[7PointOh]

Honestly do some research. The physical requirements may be different but have you looked at the weight standard? Men have a much easier time getting into the Military. 5'3 and 129 pounds? Look at the height and weight standards that's BEFORE you even can go to boot camp. Before your ASVAB's and MEPS and even after boot camp. I got along with other female soldiers just fine btw, I really don't see the basis for that line honestly. As a woman in the Military you really are expected to be more mentally strong than physically, that's just common sense. Like I said you can't expect a 5'3 129 pound woman to be stronger than say 5'10 200 pound man and expect them to do the same physically. I scored an 89 on my ASVAB'S you guys do know this plays a factor in where you get placed right? You don't just say Oh hey I wanna be Combat Military Police. Oh I wanna be artillery. NO you have to test and show you have the capability for it.

Honest to god I'm not gonna indulge this anymore, but please before you even begin to say talk to more female soldiers. Men fight over stupid petty bullshit to, not just woman. Most of them and their ego's who's better at shooting, who's better at this blah blah. Honestly I have seen wayyyyy more men fight than Woman. Deal with it. About Woman being more emotional that's true, by Nature we are but as a Female soldier you have to learn to deal with that, The Woman that fight and be petty don't belong anywhere in the Military. They are weak and can cause havoc for an entire battalion. I have seen some amazing Woman too, It just depends on how mentally/emotionally strong you are.

Woman and Men are different in every single way. Some Woman are strong, some are weak just as some men are strong and some get their ass kicked. It's been this way for centuries and It's not gonna change. Men are paid higher than Woman for working at the same Job, But that's fair right? Some men who decide to stay home and be a house dad are pussies right? Some Woman are expected to be housewives and those that work are considered less of a woman. Give me a break with this gender shit. Men and Woman are different. Physically, Mentally and Emotionally. No equal rights bullshit...It's never gonna happen.

The bold is the exact mentality needed to be in an infantry rifle platoon. We fight over things. Try to gain dominance over the other. Bragging rights. "I can shoot better", "Tap out or pass out" everything and anything makes an infantryman a better fighter. And still no grudges are held. That's what I remember in my time in the grunts. Two different infantry battalions and the mentality is the same. I change MOS and I had to change my leadership style in a COED environment.

I've said it before, women are already in combat roles. I have had the honor to serve with fine Soldiers, Marines, and Sailors in a deployed combat environment. And like men, some shine and some don't. My point is women serving in a Combat Arms MOS would not work. But being in a combat arms MOS and being in combat are two different topics.

I am flabbergasted the level of non-sense that is grossly rampant in this thread. Hand to hand or handling guns; there is no contest. Women cannot perform at optimum level compared to men given the biological differences. Kindly open a few books to understand how guns works. The constant recoil effect from the gun alone would wear a woman out much faster than man given his superior muscle fibers. It's as if no one has seen a single physics book here. My God!

Women shouldn't be allowed in the army in the combat division as they would take up the positions that could be filled up by men. That's that.

I have, that's why I am even debating. More muscle results in better speed as well. Ever seen a marathon run? Look at the difference between the speeds. Men are built for better combat. Those Osteoporosis rates are very real. You can consult medical books or even check out stats on google if you feel like it. What lies at the core of it? Heavier bone mass.

On paper that sounds right. But I've seen a chick out shoot a guy in every yard line up to 500 yards. A 5'5" female hip toss a 6 foot 190 lbs dude. Another firemans carry a guy that was 75 percent more than her body weight for 500 yards. It's all about technique and will. Things that are taught and deeply ingrained. Yes maybe guys are better built for it, but that's not to say girls can't.

 

[Equalist]

I bet you, most of the men making fun of the women here are actually being bosses around by their girlfriend or mom or grandparent, or mother in law or anyother woman close to them.

Indeed. Shelke has been quiet for some time now. My last post may have hit too close to home... where he stays with his mother who won't let him get a dog.

 

[King Of Crows]

I bet you, most of the men making fun of the women here are actually being bosses around by their girlfriend or mom or grandparent, or mother in law or anyother woman close to them.

Best. Logic. Ever. :bouncy:

Indeed. Shelke has been quiet for some time now. My last post may have hit to close to home... where he stays with his mother who won't let him get a dog.

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[Equalist]

Best. Logic. Ever. :bouncy:



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I killed my parents because I love my little brother. Now THAT is the best logic ever.

 

[King Of Crows]

I killed my parents because I love my little brother. Now THAT is the best logic ever.

To be fair, your father was sort of a **** :| I was unaware that you killed your mother. <(-.-<)

 

[FuChomei]

I killed my parents because I love my little brother. Now THAT is the best logic ever.

I thought Amon only killed his father? He loved his mother.

 

[Equalist]

To be fair, your father was sort of a **** :| I was unaware that you killed your mother. <(-.-<)

Redirected my joke like lightning. Admirable job sir.

I thought Amon only killed his father? He loved his mother.

You..., wow you're still not helping.


Shelke The Transparent still hasn't responded to my post. It must be his bedtime.

 

[Revyy]

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End of discussion. Sorry this just fits..

 

[Equalist]

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End of discussion. Sorry this just fits..

I'd like to reverse her stereotype.

 

[FuChomei]

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End of discussion. Sorry this just fits..

I love videos like this.

 

[Anorien16]

As I always say to each according to his ability.... If ur capable it doesnt matter if your male or female but if your not it still does not matter if your male or female.... The selections should be made that way.... yes males are as a general rule stronger than females but there are plenty of exception and exceptions should be made for exceptional people...

 

[shelke]

You do realize that Muscle slows you down because It makes you heavier? Runners have lean muscle, not like UFC fighter who carry heavy muscles. It's a BIG stretch you have going on. Ever wonder why people who run marathons are pretty lean?

You do realize that you are just making stuff up now, right? More muscle - not 500 pounds of gorilla muscles - with dense bones would provide for more flexibility and better efficiency in regards to combat and overall strength. I am talking about an average male here as this is on which general statistics are built, not on those people who built up extra muscle with steroids. Those people won't last over 35 with the amount of testosterone overload in their system.

Even at lean body level the bone density ratio will not change, nor will the muscle advantage. Again, it's all about better overall body structure suited to this area.

Shelke I want to apologize to you. After reading your posts I understand you made a number of good arguments I neglected to observe in my initial read through. You've essentially sealed this discussion in five major points.

1) You weren't able to join the Armed Forces because a woman took your spot. It has nothing to do with you being a coward.

2) You weren't able to go to college because a woman took your scholarship. It has nothing to do with you being poor.

3) You're unemployed because the interviewer recommended the woman with a college education rather than the guy with a helmet.

4) And you truly are a combat pragmatist not because you've studied combat, war, or the human anatomy but because you've TIVOed every episode of UFC.

5) You're not an offender. You're a victim of society just like the women who have made you feel horribly inadequate.

With understanding comes equality. Amon be praised.

I don't support the concept of Nation, then why would I even want to serve in the army? Your posts are becoming less and less intelligent. Must be the inherited arrested development as a decently average man with a below average intellectual capacity can easily see the merits behind my post as they are built on actual scientific facts unlike your girlish warbles and pathetic rebuttals. Oh the pathos.

On paper that sounds right. But I've seen a chick out shoot a guy in every yard line up to 500 yards. A 5'5" female hip toss a 6 foot 190 lbs dude. Another firemans carry a guy that was 75 percent more than her body weight for 500 yards. It's all about technique and will. Things that are taught and deeply ingrained. Yes maybe guys are better built for it, but that's not to say girls can't.

I am not saying girls cannot do it; I am saying the other *** is better suited. Yes, no denying it, there are exceptions but as I mentioned that statistics are created for an average man and women, not exceptions. A lot of things might come into play here. Maybe their testosterone level is high? Perhaps their built and musculature is different or better than majority of women? There are people with 20/ 20 eye sight and extremely acute olfactory senses but they do not make up the majority.

The point is prolonged gun usage. The recoil effect varies from gun to gun. You cannot say that given the less muscle mass and less bone mass the effect won't take its toll on the body faster than on man's. Same is the case with body torture and stamina. Men clearly exceed women in this department.

 

[FuChomei]

You do realize that you are just making stuff up now, right? More muscle - not 500 pounds of gorilla muscles - with dense bones would provide for more flexibility and better efficiency in regards to combat and overall strength. I am talking about an average male here as this is on which general statistics are built, not on those people who built up extra muscle with steroids. Those people won't last over 35 with the amount of testosterone overload in their system.

Even at lean body level the bone density ratio will not change, nor will the muscle advantage. Again, it's all about better overall body structure suited to this area.



I don't support the concept of Nation, then why would I even want to serve in the army? Your posts are becoming less and less intelligent. Must be the inherited arrested development as a decently average man with a below average intellectual capacity can easily see the merits behind my post as they are built on actual scientific facts unlike your girlish warbles and pathetic rebuttals. Oh the pathos.



I am not saying girls cannot do it; I am saying the other *** is better suited. Yes, no denying it, there are exceptions but as I mentioned that statistics are created for an average man and women, not exceptions. A lot of things might come into play here. Maybe their testosterone level is high? Perhaps their built and musculature is different or better than majority of women? There are people with 20/ 20 eye sight and extremely acute olfactory senses but they do not make up the majority.

The point is prolonged gun usage. The recoil effect varies from gun to gun. You cannot say that given the less muscle mass and less bone mass the effect won't take its toll on the body faster than on man's. Same is the case with body torture and stamina. Men clearly exceed women in this department.

If you feel that he is annoying you than don't respond @_@ I don't want this thread to have 20 posts of "You're an idiot." "NO YOU." "You are becoming more and more retarded you neanderthal." "NO YOU."

 

[Cornson]

they should be allowed to "be in combat" but their physical requirements have to be bigger than just 19!

if they can't pick up or drag a other soldier in full gear, then they should not be allowed to be in the army (just as a skinny nerdish man should not be allowed in the army)

it like: if you can do this, this and this, you can join no matter the gender, if you can't well then though luck cutie pie, you can't join (unless you are one hell of a sniper or want to be a medic.

I killed my parents because I love my little brother. Now THAT is the best logic ever.

I saw the girl I fell in love with die in front of me, there for I want to destroy reality by making every single living person live in a made up dream world.

(that logic easily wins over your logic)

 

[Hunty]

You do realize that you are just making stuff up now, right? More muscle - not 500 pounds of gorilla muscles - with dense bones would provide for more flexibility and better efficiency in regards to combat and overall strength. I am talking about an average male here as this is on which general statistics are built, not on those people who built up extra muscle with steroids. Those people won't last over 35 with the amount of testosterone overload in their system.

Even at lean body level the bone density ratio will not change, nor will the muscle advantage. Again, it's all about better overall body structure suited to this area.



I don't support the concept of Nation, then why would I even want to serve in the army? Your posts are becoming less and less intelligent. Must be the inherited arrested development as a decently average man with a below average intellectual capacity can easily see the merits behind my post as they are built on actual scientific facts unlike your girlish warbles and pathetic rebuttals. Oh the pathos.



I am not saying girls cannot do it; I am saying the other *** is better suited. Yes, no denying it, there are exceptions but as I mentioned that statistics are created for an average man and women, not exceptions. A lot of things might come into play here. Maybe their testosterone level is high? Perhaps their built and musculature is different or better than majority of women? There are people with 20/ 20 eye sight and extremely acute olfactory senses but they do not make up the majority.

The point is prolonged gun usage. The recoil effect varies from gun to gun. You cannot say that given the less muscle mass and less bone mass the effect won't take its toll on the body faster than on man's. Same is the case with body torture and stamina. Men clearly exceed women in this department.

Women are more flexible and durable. Men are the powerhouse.

I believe everyone should be able to do what they want to do, as long as it falls in the "good morals" category. If it's not hurting anyone else, than why should they care.

That's like going to Subway, and getting mad at the dude in front of you, for not ordering your favorite sandwich.

 

[Equalist]

You do realize that you are just making stuff up now, right? More muscle - not 500 pounds of gorilla muscles - with dense bones would provide for more flexibility and better efficiency in regards to combat and overall strength. I am talking about an average male here as this is on which general statistics are built, not on those people who built up extra muscle with steroids. Those people won't last over 35 with the amount of testosterone overload in their system.

Even at lean body level the bone density ratio will not change, nor will the muscle advantage. Again, it's all about better overall body structure suited to this area.



I don't support the concept of Nation, then why would I even want to serve in the army? Your posts are becoming less and less intelligent. Must be the inherited arrested development as a decently average man with a below average intellectual capacity can easily see the merits behind my post as they are built on actual scientific facts unlike your girlish warbles and pathetic rebuttals. Oh the pathos.



I am not saying girls cannot do it; I am saying the other *** is better suited. Yes, no denying it, there are exceptions but as I mentioned that statistics are created for an average man and women, not exceptions. A lot of things might come into play here. Maybe their testosterone level is high? Perhaps their built and musculature is different or better than majority of women? There are people with 20/ 20 eye sight and extremely acute olfactory senses but they do not make up the majority.

The point is prolonged gun usage. The recoil effect varies from gun to gun. You cannot say that given the less muscle mass and less bone mass the effect won't take its toll on the body faster than on man's. Same is the case with body torture and stamina. Men clearly exceed women in this department.

For all the straining and posturing you're doing you still haven't defended yourself. You take issue with women joining the Armed Forces because they're taking up positions that could be held by men. Well they're not taking your spot because all you do on a given day is post juvenile, sexually frustrated rants on a forum about comic books.

Women aren't taking your spot in higher education because you clearly wouldn't be able to get a scholarship to a community college even if you wanted to. You claim to know a great deal about the anatomy and combat when I could bet your life on the fact that you haven't fought anyone a day in your life.

And as far as your rant is concerned about bone density, toughness of skin and muscle mass, I'm pretty sure none of that means anything in actual combat. You're probably a helmet wearing, morbidly obese virgin touching himself as he wastes away on his mothers couch in the basement. You don't get out much and I doubt you move around anymore than you have to so I'm fairly certain that your accumulation of mass insures you're bigger than I am. But I also know I've studied Kung Fu since I was seven and I could probably punch a hole through your chest regardless how durable you believe you are.

Size doesn't matter. A fact which may or may not make your outlook on life even more negative than it already is.

 

[shelke]

For all the straining and posturing you're doing you still haven't defended yourself. You take issue with women joining the Armed Forces because they're taking up positions that could be held by men. Well they're not taking your spot because all you do on a given day is post juvenile, sexually frustrated rants on a forum about comic books.

Women aren't taking your spot in higher education because you clearly wouldn't be able to get a scholarship to a community college even if you wanted to. You claim to know a great deal about the anatomy and combat when I could bet your life on the fact that you haven't fought anyone a day in your life.

And as far as your rant is concerned about bone density, toughness of skin and muscle mass, I'm pretty sure none of that means anything in actual combat. You're probably a helmet wearing, morbidly obese virgin touching himself as he wastes away on his mothers couch in the basement. You don't get out much and I doubt you move around anymore than you have too so I'm fairly certain that your accumulation of mass insures you're bigger than I am. But I also know I've studied Kung Fu since I was seven and I could probably punch a hole through your chest regardless how durable you believe you are.

Size doesn't matter. A fact which may or may not make your outlook on life even more negative than it already is.

Should I feel obliged to defend myself against your abysmal reasonings? Please tell me on which grounds have you awarded yourself with such undue flattery?

My spot? As I said earlier, I shun the concept of country and army is such another branch of indoctrinated rubbish. Try to incorporate 5th grade comprehension in your insufferable posts. I am seeing things from a third perspective and from this end, women are outclassed by men - by majority - and hence should not be allowed in combat.

No, your surety is as limited as your hindquarter pulled, fresh posts. These biological facts exist whether you have stumbled across them or not. And are the reason men have more physical strength. Perhaps you happen to have strength equivalent to an average woman; the rest of us do not. Now unless you have anything better to throw at me other than the same recycled garbage which your parents must be so proud of, don't bother me.

 

[FuChomei]

Should I feel obliged to defend myself against your abysmal reasonings? Please tell me on which grounds have you awarded yourself with such undue flattery?

My spot? As I said earlier, I shun the concept of country and army is such another branch of indoctrinated rubbish. Try to incorporate 5th grade comprehension in your insufferable posts. I am seeing things from a third perspective and from this end, women are outclassed by men - by majority - and hence should not be allowed in combat.

No, your surety is as limited as your hindquarter pulled, fresh posts. These biological facts exist whether you have stumbled across them or not. And are the reason men have more physical strength. Perhaps you happen to have strength equivalent to an average woman; the rest of us do not. Now unless you have anything better to throw at me other than the same recycled garbage which your parents must be so proud of, don't bother me.

What about the minority of women that could join the army? I guess since it's a mans world that the ladies should be kept out.

 

[Equalist]

Should I feel obliged to defend myself against your abysmal reasonings? Please tell me on which grounds have you awarded yourself with such undue flattery?

My spot? As I said earlier, I shun the concept of country and army is such another branch of indoctrinated rubbish. Try to incorporate 5th grade comprehension in your insufferable posts. I am seeing things from a third perspective and from this end, women are outclassed by men - by majority - and hence should not be allowed in combat.

No, your surety is as limited as your hindquarter pulled, fresh posts. These biological facts exist whether you have stumbled across them or not. And are the reason men have more physical strength. Perhaps you happen to have strength equivalent to an average woman; the rest of us do not. Now unless you have anything better to throw at me other than the same recycled garbage which your parents must be so proud of, don't bother me.

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[shelke]

What about the minority of women that could join the army? I guess since it's a mans world that the ladies should be kept out.

It could be accomplished with Quota system, but I am unsure if it's applicable in all countries.