[Debate] Women shouldn't be allowed in combat

Jin Hayami

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Alright time for the soldiers perspective.
Women are already in combat. The question is which ones should we purposely allow into combat positions.
I'm an E5 buck sgt in MISOC formerly known as Psy Op. Ft. Bragg Airborne all the way. We have had females in our ranks for a long time and when it comes to their roles in the military im pretty comfortable in my views and opinions on this matter. You see the army is somewhat archaic in the way it selects its soldiers. They have a base standard for pretty much each MOS. That is the wrong answer. The army needs to make that the basic standard for staying in but combat MOSs need higher physical standards and any female that wants to be in a combat MOS needs to be able to pass at the same standard as the males. Lets be honest nobody really gives a damn if a 42A paper ***** can do pt. They rarely if ever actually see combat. Now if you want to be 13BoomBoom artillery you need to be physically stronger than most. Lifting 155mm shells all day requires a lot of muscle. That said the army is evolving out of its traditional ways of operating. Everyone has to be combat ready and I've seen a lot of POGs operate better in combat roles than some infantry units. (cough 2nd ID sucks cough) My squad leader is a female and that woman smokes the dog shit out of me at pt, shoots expert, just all around outstanding individual. Meanwhile at the back of formation there's three typical army females. Fat, dumpy, on profile, and fresh off of quarters for whatever venereal disease they just caught from the 82nd. Now these are my friends I hang out with them all the time but if you asked me to attach them to my deployment team and take them down range what do you think I'm gonna say? Hell no. Put those coasters in billeting with the dozen pt failures fat asses and shit bags that we dont want hanging around.
So in conclusion each individual MOS needs its own physical standard and everyone should have to meet those standards.
I know males that can only do 19 push ups. I met one that runs a 24 minute two mile. That's pathetic. He was airborne. All we do is run and jump out of planes. How can you be that slow? They are the problem with the army not women. The army what with the draw down and all is just now beginning to get rid of them. They have failed to maintain their own standards and enforce their own rules.
The biggest problem I see happening with women in infantry, artillery, etc would be the pregnancies. Getting knocked up down range (it happens all the time) and getting sent home should be grounds for general discharge. Its screwing your unit and increasing the workload on your peers. Especially since the odds are they're already probably gonna lose soldiers.
 

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The physical tests should be different for males and females. A physically capable female is still good <(-.-<)

Maybe, but an equally physically capable man would be denied admittance to the army. Don't you think that's a problem, and entirely unequal?
 

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Women wanting equality...I will only agree that they should get financial equality. Everything else remain the same, I would expect an insecure woman spouting crap like equality. They're not owning their feministic qualities and trying to change what it means to be a woman by trying to equal a man, it's sickening.
 

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Maybe, but an equally physically capable man would be denied admittance to the army. Don't you think that's a problem, and entirely unequal?

.... Technically an equally physically capable man would be better than the physically capable woman. Like I said, a man would still be more physically capable than the woman even if they had the same training. It's biology :scorps:
 

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So you expect a woman to just stand and watch helplessly as their country, their men and even their children go to war? What is this? Mulan?

This idea is pathetic, there's probably thousands of women who could kick my ass and the decision to enlist into the army is a huge one that is THEIRS.
 

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So you expect a woman to just stand and watch helplessly as their country, their men and even their children go to war? What is this? Mulan?

This idea is pathetic, there's probably thousands of women who could kick my ass and the decision to enlist into the army is a huge one that is THEIRS.

Wrong answer. The decision is the army's. Mission capability comes before anything. Sacrificing quality for equality results in failure of something we really can't afford to fail at.
I agree with women in combat but you're looking at this the wrong way. Serving in the military is a privilege not a right. There are other ways to serve your country though.
 

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Wrong answer. The decision is the army's. Mission capability comes before anything. Sacrificing quality for equality results in failure of something we really can't afford to fail at.
I agree with women in combat but you're looking at this the wrong way. Serving in the military is a privilege not a right. There are other ways to serve your country though.

Hm, well there is an interesting response. Thanks, guess this question isn't as simple as I thought. Still, ruling out all females is ridiculous. A no-female rule excludes many fully capable strong women who deserve the role just as much as any man does.
 

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Yeah just that you're not a neanderthal anymore. Just because biologically speaking we are meant to have different roles that doesn't mean that you or anyone else will fit inside that role. Fortunately people have evolved through out the years and the ways of before aren't the same.

Screw double standards, that I can agree with.
We don't have the Olympics branched into white and black people.
 

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Quit your whining. Become a politician if it bothers you that much.
 

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Hm, well there is an interesting response. Thanks, guess this question isn't as simple as I thought. Still, ruling out all females is ridiculous. A no-female rule excludes many fully capable strong women who deserve the role just as much as any man does.

I agree read my first post. My squad leader is a ****ing beast. She is the exception not the rule. Every woman should have the opportunity. Most will fail. Those who fail should be cast out as if luke warm along with the males who fail to meet standards. Also no pregos. That's my one big thing about females. I hate having to accommodate them and constantly shift them in and out of teams so they don't have to deploy and keeping track of them going to pregnancy pt, medical appointments, and then having to send them home every day at lunch time because they can only work half days. That needs to be kept out of combat arms.
 

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I read through the entire thread. But my question wasn't answered.

What would a woman deployed do if she were to get her period ?
 

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I read through the entire thread. But my question wasn't answered.

What would a woman deployed do if she were to get her period ?

Use a tampon.
Women already deploy. You aren't just out in the desert for weeks on end walking around in circles. You rarely go more than a week without a shower anymore and honestly that happens more in garrison than down range. You master early on what is called a ***** bath. Nobody goes out in the field without baby wipes to take care of the essentials and to clean their weapon.
 

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If this woman was in the army, Kim Jong-Un would be shitting himself.

Also, let me state this.

It's a bit of a personal truth, but I have nothing to be ashamed of.

I'm Bipolar. When I was a kid, I wanted to join the U.S marines. I'm Palestinian (Arab) and Irish and can speak both languages, also write both languages. I also have a light shade of olive skin (I'd say I look mostly Arab, I definitely fit in when I go to the Middle East and darken up a bit).

I'd be pretty ideal for a candidate if I wanted to go to Iraq as a translator. I wanted to use the Marines to pay for my school, but I was told because they cannot guarantee I'll have my Bipolar medication at all times overseas, I would not be an ideal candidate for enlistment.

My Bipolar Disorder got "triggered" per say when I turned 15 and I didn't get medication until a few months ago.

I did fine without the medication (better with it, obviously. A LOT better) but all of a sudden, I can't get drafted.

Meaning if I have a son or a family member or all my friends get drafted or go into the marines and fight and die for my country, I can't join them simply because of circumstances beyond my control.

Quit your whining. Become a politician if it bothers you that much.

But yet this thread bothers YOU enough to reply to it. If you don't like it, become an anti-forum protester.
 
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Jin Hayami pretty much closed this thread. Different standards apply for different posts and tasks in the force. If you can't meet those standards, regardless of gender, you're not welcome.
So yes; it may be harder for a woman to become a part of an artillery-unit, but maybe she'd fit in with counter-intelligence.
 

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I'm fine with it. The Russians had a division of all women and they managed to defeat the Germans through fear, the Germans didn't put up much of a resistance when they first arrived screaming at them XD

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Jin Hayami pretty much closed this thread. Different standards apply for different posts and tasks in the force. If you can't meet those standards, regardless of gender, you're not welcome.
So yes; it may be harder for a woman to become a part of an artillery-unit, but maybe she'd fit in with counter-intelligence.

Intelligence is actually a good job. Long AIT but anything that gets you a foreign language and a Top Secret is a huge help. Honestly I never saw the appeal of combat MOSs. What does that get you outside of the army? Artillery? You can...lift heavy stuff and dig a hole pretty fast. Infantry? You can be a badass cop or a badass security guard. You'd be better off just going to the Police Academy. Engineers? Construction work. The only one that prepares you for a job outside of the army is EOD then you sit at an airport and wait for suspected bomb bags. Not to mention it attracts a lot of morons and guys who couldn't qualify for the better jobs. You still get the GI Bill but you also have to do a lot more stupid stuff and have little to no real world experience.
 

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There is a lot of sexism coming from both genders. (Examples below.)
1. "Women are inferior to men."
2. "Men are the scum of the Earth."
There is a lot of problems with both genders as well. (Examples below.)
1. Men and women still have gender-roles in 2013. (Women are expected to be "innocent","pure", "weak": "girly". Men are expected to be "macho", "strong" and have no self-control: "manly".)
2. A man can be forced to go to war, when a women can not.
3. When a woman is abused/raped, soceity brodcasts it all over the TV, internet, radio, etc. But, if a man is abused/raped, socitety ignores it.
4. When a man or woman is a homosexual, society thinks of them as the opposite gender and bullies them for it.
(There is a lot of problems for both men and women. But, I'm not going to list them all here, because it'll take forever.)

On topic:

Vilvake, I do not see why you are so against women wanting to go to war. It's much better than being forced.

(Vilvake, do you support patriarchy?)
 

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There is a lot of sexism coming from both genders. (Examples below.)
1. "Women are inferior to men."
2. "Men are the scum of the Earth."
There is a lot of problems with both genders as well. (Examples below.)
1. Men and women still have gender-roles in 2013. (Women are expected to be "innocent","pure", "weak": "girly". Men are expected to be "macho", "strong" and have no self-control: "manly".)
2. A man can be forced to go to war, when a women can not.
3. When a woman is abused/raped, soceity brodcasts it all over the TV, internet, radio, etc. But, if a man is abused/raped, socitety ignores it.
4. When a man or woman is a homosexual, society thinks of them as the opposite gender and bullies them for it.
(There is a lot of problems for both men and women. But, I'm not going to list them all here, because it'll take forever.)

On topic:

Vilvake, I do not see why you are so against women wanting to go to war. It's much better than being forced.

(Vilvake, do you support patriarchy?)

I don't know why people keep saying I'm against women going to war. I'm all for women doing that! But what I'm not all for is women having special, easier requirements to get there. A weak link in a unit can bring the entire thing down. If a woman can pass the physical requirements that men are currently held to, by all means, send her to war!

I apologize, I realize the thread title isn't fully indicative of its content.

Edit: It's not like the male requirements are insurmountable for females. Here's a video of a woman doing 50 push ups using the "perfect pushup" handles. Btw, I have them and they make pushups much more difficult.

[video=youtube;ERtkWjTTMng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERtkWjTTMng[/video]
 
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