Without S06P-given powers and TB chakra (loaned power), Naruto is not top 10

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Lawl how is EMS a powerup when long ago people was like "EMS just stops you from going blind it gives no new power".

It's a power-up since It took his brother's eyes to get EMS, unless kishi had Sasuke to unlock EMS like Indra did... it's a permanent power-up on loan from big brother. Sorry but that's how It is...
 
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I'd honestly like to hear an argument of how this would add up.

Everyone has a part of borrowed power in Narutoverse if your stating that fact except Kaguya [Although she is trying to absorb the chakra from people, at one point it all belonged to her and Juubi] .
 

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It's a power-up since It took his brother's eyes to get EMS, unless kishi had Sasuke to unlock EMS like Indra did... it's a permanent power-up on loan from big brother. Sorry but that's how It is...

Not being shot in the foot isn't a powerup, and Indra never had EMS.
 

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It's a power-up since It took his brother's eyes to get EMS, unless kishi had Sasuke to unlock EMS like Indra did... it's a permanent power-up on loan from big brother. Sorry but that's how It is...
Yes but you didn't get my point long time back people kept saying EMS wasn't a power up it just saves MS users from going blind now they're saying it's a power up. But still say EMS just stops blindness.
 

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Sasuke without his vital organs could barely make a case for top 20.
 

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Madara without
Hashi dna
Moktun
Rinnegan
Ems
Sage Power
Juubi Power

Is fodder as well
 

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This is bullshit and you know it. Everybody in the top tier has "loaned power" as you put, plus SM Naruto is top 15 and the Bijuu are his own power.

Sasuke without Itachi's eyes or Sage power is fodder
Kakashi without Obito's eyes and Rikudou chakra is fodder
Nagato without Madara's Rinnegan is fodder
Hashirama without Shinju Mokuton is fodder
Madara without Senju power ups is fodder
Etc

You can't cherry pick this just because it rustles your jimmies.
 

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If you don't know the definition of loaned, don't go talking about "loaned power". :|
 

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Madara without
Hashi dna
Moktun
Rinnegan
Ems
Sage Power
Juubi Power

Is fodder as well




He was known as the 2nd strongest Shinobi in history without those.

This is bullshit and you know it. Everybody in the top tier has "loaned power" as you put, plus SM Naruto is top 15 and the Bijuu are his own power.

Sasuke without Itachi's eyes or Sage power is fodder
Kakashi without Obito's eyes and Rikudou chakra is fodder
Nagato without Madara's Rinnegan is fodder
Hashirama without Shinju Mokuton is fodder
Madara without Senju power ups is fodder
Etc

You can't cherry pick this just because it rustles your jimmies.


MS Sasuke is one of the strongest characters in the story.Fodder would imply he's not.
 

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This by far the stupidest thread who's over him? more people with borrowed power nice going hypocrite
 

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OP managed to rustle a few jimmies lel. I would to know what your top 10 without borrowed powers are....Also I like how sasuke was brought into this thread even though it's not about him.
 

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Naruto X Hunter said:
MS Sasuke is one of the strongest characters in the story.Fodder would imply he's not.
MS Sasuke was just barely able to handle the Ay, and that was with the Taka team support. Let me put It this way, Is MS Sasuke able to take on Kaguya, or sustain Perfect Susanoõ? Would MS Sasuke be able to use Amateratsu or Enton release... These are things that made him top 15 anyway.
 

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I'd honestly like to hear an argument of how this would add up.

Naruto base when he had a FRS at about 50% complete was said to be even to or surpassing a Kakashi who has MS and Kamui; Kakashi said this himself. Then Naruto gets even stronger and learns SM, if he fuse with Ma and Pa toad then he have unlimited SM, access to frog song, boiling oil, 2 Sage's who have 1 hit punches (Pa toad lift Gamabuta up and threw him at Pein) and can help Naruto with strategies. Also Naruto can take a few months of and use 200 clones (he used 200 to train to learn FRS) to train with Lee, Kakashi, Kurenai, Bee, and A where he will improve his taijutsu, ninjutsus, knowledge of breaking genjutsus, kenjutsu/taijutsus, taijutsus/speed. 200 clones training everyday for 6 months equals to 36,000 days worth of training, if you want to half it to 3 months of training then that's 18,000 worth of training and Naruto would still be a boss; he have the potential to improve the fastest and most due to Shadow clone+large chakra reserves.

Look the difference is that MS and EMS are Sasuke's by birth-right, they're a blood-line limit of his family. Naruto got the TB handed to him by Minato. The TB were just like "yeah bro, here's some free chakra to stop this evil dude" and The S06P frankly had no better options than Naruto and Sasuke. He made it pretty clear that he thinks Naruto is a total idiot.

No it's not EMS is the use of Itachi's eyes which are Itachi's and not Sasuke's. Also the Sharingan are the Sage's eyes just like how Senjus/Uzumaki's have the Sage's body and both come from the Sage which comes from Kaguya who got the power from the God tree. The Bijuus are passed down with the sealing jutsus to make Jinchuurikis from the Sage as Obito said at the Kage summit. The Uchihas are given the Sage's eyes and powerful chakra which have the power to control Bijuus while Senjus/Uzumaki's have the Sage body and life force which can be used to contain Bijuus. Both have the ability to contain and/or control Bijuus yet you're complaining that Naruto is using what he got from his heritage to the Sage while it's ok for Uchihas to use theirs?

Sasuke only got his MS because Itachi told him about it and he planned their fight so he would die by Sasuke's hands, Obito told Sasuke this so Itachi gave Sasuke access to MS and he left him his eye which are not Sasuke's. The Sage only gave Sasuke power because he felt bad for ignoring Indra which was the cause of this, he said this as he was going to give Sasuke power

Eyes are a part of someone's body. Magical beast chakra and jesus-given powers are not. As it is, Hashirama and his brother both easily outclass base (SM) Naruto. Obito probably did too, based on the fact he went toe-to-toe with BM Naruto.

The ability to do what Uchihas eye can do are passed down by the Sage as is the Senju's/Uzumaki's ability to contain and use Bijuus power. If your body isn't strong enough to handle having a Bijuu seal in you then you can die as Bee's uncle did before he was made the Jinchuuriki. Naruto didn't just gain the Bijuus powers as a Uchiha can do just by using there Sharingan (either master the 3 tomoes to such a level or MS is required). Naruto have the risks with being a Jinchuuriki such as being hated by many people, being left alone, risk of being taken over by the Bijuu, hurting someone you care about, losing the Bijuu kills you. Naruto have to train to gain and use Kurama power.
 

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This by far the stupidest thread who's over him? more people with borrowed power nice going hypocrite

QTF.

It's funny how Sasuke fans are the one to do this and nobody else despite him getting freebies than a kid on Halloween dressed as Noob Saibot

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But in all seriousness, this is a dumb thread and has been destroyed. Top notch LOL at the guy who says MS Sasuke is one of the strongest in the entire story.
 

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Fun Fact: Naruto without any borrowed power is still top ten, because you would have to exclude all other forms of borrowed power as well, leaving him bellow 2MS Obito and some Ootsutsuki's.

Madara and Hashirama are out because stealling power from Indra and Ashura. Kaguya is out because stealling power from the tree. sasuke has itachi's eyes and juugo and hashirama's DNA, obito has hashirama dna, kakashi has obito's eyes, nagato has madara's eyes, and so on, and so on, and so on.

borrowed power is not a thing that matters.
 
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