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[Discussion] Without Kyoka Suigetsu which captains can give Aizen a real challenge?

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I say:

Shunsui
Ukitake
Unohana
Shinji
Isshin
Kisuke
Senjumaru
Yamamoto

These are the ones off the Top of my head, I only included one Royal Guard member because we don't know enough about the rest.

What do you Ladies/ Gents think?
 
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Kyoroke shunsui
Mayuri (with perp he rapes)
Yamamato
Hirako shinji (he was already inside the illusion it wasn't a fair fight)
Crruent kinpachi
 
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Yamamoto Genryusai
Current Zaraki Kenpachi
Current Kuchiki Byakuya
Toshiro in 1000 years
Urahara
Shinji
Kyoraku
Gin
 
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Captains that can beat him while he is using bankai:

1. Shikai Yamamoto
2. Bankai Isshin
3. Bankai Urahara
4. Post RR Bankai Byakuya (maybe)
5. Muken Zaraki (maybe)

Captains that can beat him while he is using KS:

1. Base Yamamoto
2. Full powered Yoruichi
3. Bankai Unohana
4. Bankai Shinji
5. Post RR Byakuya (maybe with just shikai, for sure with bankai)
6. Human Komamura (maybe)
7. Bankai Shunsui
8. Shikai Isshin
9. Muken Kenpachi
10. Shikai Urahara
11. Bankai Ukitake

With just base powers:

1. Base Yamamoto
2. Full powered Yoruichi
3. Bankai Gin
4. Shikai Unohana
5. Shikai Shinji
6. SHikai Byakuya (post RR training, maybe even with his base)
7. Human Komamura
8. Shikai Kyoraku
9. Base Isshin
10. Muken Kenpachi
11. Base Urahara
12. Shikai Ukitake

* Not counting RG members, but at least Osho should be stronger than Aizen.
* Hitsugaya (if he is still alive) in 100-150 years should surpass Aizen.
 
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Forbidden Tale said:
Captains that can beat him while he is using bankai:

1. Shikai Yamamoto
2. Bankai Isshin
3. Bankai Urahara
4. Post RR Bankai Byakuya (maybe)
5. Muken Zaraki (maybe)

Captains that can beat him while he is using KS:

1. Base Yamamoto
2. Full powered Yoruichi
3. Bankai Unohana
4. Bankai Shinji
5. Post RR Byakuya (maybe with just shikai, for sure with bankai)
6. Human Komamura (maybe)
7. Bankai Shunsui
8. Shikai Isshin
9. Muken Kenpachi
10. Shikai Urahara
11. Bankai Ukitake

With just base powers:

1. Base Yamamoto
2. Full powered Yoruichi
3. Bankai Gin
4. Shikai Unohana
5. Shikai Shinji
6. SHikai Byakuya (post RR training, maybe even with his base)
7. Human Komamura
8. Shikai Kyoraku
9. Base Isshin
10. Muken Kenpachi
11. Base Urahara
12. Shikai Ukitake

* Not counting RG members, but at least Osho should be stronger than Aizen.
* Hitsugaya (if he is still alive) in 100-150 years should surpass Aizen.
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Lol I see ur at it again lol shikai isshin beat ks aizen thats to funny.
 
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Forbidden Tale said:
Captains that can beat him while he is using bankai:

1. Shikai Yamamoto
2. Bankai Isshin
3. Bankai Urahara
4. Post RR Bankai Byakuya (maybe)
5. Muken Zaraki (maybe)

Captains that can beat him while he is using KS:

1. Base Yamamoto
2. Full powered Yoruichi
3. Bankai Unohana
4. Bankai Shinji
5. Post RR Byakuya (maybe with just shikai, for sure with bankai)
6. Human Komamura (maybe)
7. Bankai Shunsui
8. Shikai Isshin
9. Muken Kenpachi
10. Shikai Urahara
11. Bankai Ukitake

With just base powers:

1. Base Yamamoto
2. Full powered Yoruichi
3. Bankai Gin
4. Shikai Unohana
5. Shikai Shinji
6. SHikai Byakuya (post RR training, maybe even with his base)
7. Human Komamura
8. Shikai Kyoraku
9. Base Isshin
10. Muken Kenpachi
11. Base Urahara
12. Shikai Ukitake

* Not counting RG members, but at least Osho should be stronger than Aizen.
* Hitsugaya (if he is still alive) in 100-150 years should surpass Aizen.
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lolz no.

I just... omg no.
 
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kotoamatsukami said:
Lol manga never states shikai isshin is stronger than ks aizen so what you saying?..there's no way for isshin to land a hit on ks aizen so um yea,but we all know that...just give it up.
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Base Isshin won agaisnt Base Aizen, why shikai vs shikai would be a difference.

We know for the fact that bankai increase power by numeors times, so shikai as well.

If (just example) shikai increase power by 3 times, that would still be Shikai Isshin > Shikai Aizen.

GT coming from Isshin made huge crack in Hogyoku Aizen, that's coming from his base.

Valhalen said:
lolz no.

I just... omg no.
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You are free to give you reasons, and I will say where are you wrong. ;)
 
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Forbidden Tale said:
Base Isshin won agaisnt Base Aizen, why shikai vs shikai would be a difference.

We know for the fact that bankai increase power by numeors times, so shikai as well.

If (just example) shikai increase power by 3 times, that would still be Shikai Isshin > Shikai Aizen.

GT coming from Isshin made huge crack in Hogyoku Aizen, that's coming from his base.



You are free to give you reasons, and I will say where are you wrong. ;)
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Lol you just fail to understand,unohana in base would reck aizen in base but thanks to ks she admitted he was stronger than her..same goes for kyoraku him an aizen are like the same powerful in base well aizen may be a little stronger, but when it comes to shikai's aizen ks>>>>>kyoraku KK cuz just like isshin he has no way to counter ks so their for he loses, an I just can't see isshin or urahara being stronger than kyoraku.

Isshin power can increase but it don't matter if he can't hit his opponent.

An like I stated before when isshin fought aizen,aizen won't at his tip top shape.
 
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kotoamatsukami said:
Lol you just fail to understand,unohana in base would reck aizen in base but thanks to ks she admitted he was stronger than her..same goes for kyoraku him an aizen are like the same powerful in base well aizen may be a little stronger, but when it comes to shikai's aizen ks>>>>>kyoraku KK cuz just like isshin he has no way to counter ks so their for he loses, an I just can't see isshin or urahara being stronger than kyoraku.

Isshin power can increase but it don't matter if he can't hit his opponent.

An like I stated before when isshin fought aizen,aizen won't at his tip top shape.
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Can you prove that she would wreck Aizen? I don't think so. Aizen is better in nearly every category that her, Unohana has edge only in Zanjutsu.

Also I don't see why you think Base Kyoraku would be same as Base Aizen. Feats sure don't say that. Let's look at them:
Base Aizen beat Bankai Komamura, Bankai Ichigo, Shikai Renji, Bankai Hitsugaya. Aizen with just spiritual pressure is able to put Grimmjow on his knees, same Grimmjow that is able to beat Bankai Ichigo (from SS arc).
Base Kyoraku fought equally with Base Starrk.

Base Isshin already won against Base Aizen in battle. Aizen said that he and Urahara are around equal. And when we compare their feats, Urahara is better.

Isshin can always counter his ability. I personally don't see why he wouldn't be able to do so.

Aizen was in his top shape.
 
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Forbidden Tale said:
Can you prove that she would wreck Aizen? I don't think so. Aizen is better in nearly every category that her, Unohana has edge only in Zanjutsu.

Also I don't see why you think Base Kyoraku would be same as Base Aizen. Feats sure don't say that. Let's look at them:
Base Aizen beat Bankai Komamura, Bankai Ichigo, Shikai Renji, Bankai Hitsugaya. Aizen with just spiritual pressure is able to put Grimmjow on his knees, same Grimmjow that is able to beat Bankai Ichigo (from SS arc).
Base Kyoraku fought equally with Base Starrk.

Base Isshin already won against Base Aizen in battle. Aizen said that he and Urahara are around equal. And when we compare their feats, Urahara is better.

Isshin can always counter his ability. I personally don't see why he wouldn't be able to do so.

Aizen was in his top shape.
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Her zanjutsu skills are second to none but zaraki..aizen not beating her in base she can also heal her self even if she does somehow get cut..she been captain for over 1000 years an you expect aizen to beat her in a straight up sword fight lol yea right.

I said aizen was a little stronger..an kyoraku sword strike was enough to crack his shield thig while ichigo getsuga tensho could not even phase it...kyoraku just had trouble getting to starkk cuz of the ceros but when it came down to the sword to sword fight in the end kyoraku won,he also dodge starkk cero at point blank range..he also lasted against Yama even thoe he had help from ukitake,Yama was still useing his flames thoe but who knows what was going on....an aizen never seem to be able to strike kyoraku without the use of ks.

No aizen won't at his best he was tiring probably gonna have to keep saying that...an if you saying base isshin>base unohana I don't know what to say to that..yea him an urahara full power are equal to each other meaning aizen shikai=urahara bankai.

How can isshin counter ks give me one clear way sense he always can to you?..if it were that simple the other captains would have not lost an Yama would have never tried suicide.
 
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