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I don't think we should assume we are humans just because we have a human body, the universe dictated that if you make a primary wrong assumption then you lose a lot of access to reality.

Think of it like this, you were borne with gloves, and the image of self in your brain is the same- you see them as a part of you. Then someday one comes and take off those gloves now you've seen they are a separate thing and in knowing it's properties and it's form you can separate yourself from it(and all the pain associated with it), the image in your head turns form homogenous to purer form as well-you understand yourself better. I think as you keep doing that you shift towards becoming the observer and materials(anger, lust, greed ~desires etc) no longer reaches you. By from the author probably means those impurities that we have taken as being selves.

The observer never suffers because it's not in his behaviour to do so(hinduism says the soul by default is immensely happier then anything materialistic things can ever bring and it's because of the assumption that you are body you suffer- a wrong assumption)
 
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Without forms humans can not be happy either.
Pleasure is more than the absence of suffering, both are feelings or state of mind whatever it is they are the faces of the same coin. To be without suffering and pleasure would be another state. Perhaps enlightenment or nothing.
 

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Without form they will suffer from formlessness. :|

I wish to forget that I read that manga. It's highly disturbing on just another level..
I agree... His "habit" got me close to gagging each panel they showed him do it..
Yet, the psychological stuff keeps me hooked.

And how would you suffer from formlessness? :p
 
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