We've seen their tricks you cant to tell me hiruzen > A? or onoki? hell NO minato is just hard to get a hold of shouldnt be a problem for madara, you are right though only plot can save them.
Hashi actually is from his time you cant tell me minato and hiruzen are hashi level so in reality madara >> hiruzen and minato. Their plot shield is edo tensei and basically unlimited chakara. unlike the gokage
And i wasn't saying non senju = fodder if i had that mentality i wouldn't like alot of characters, but who can compare to hashi from this generation edo and dead people excluded, hiruzen is basically from this gen and hiruzen didnt die that long ago just a few yrs lol and we know little to nothing of his brother.
