[Discussion] Will Teach and Dragon fight?

[OG sama]

Except Luffy's dad has been reputed as one of the top figures in the OP world? It'd be terrible writing if one top tier can't push another.

There's nothing wrong with Dragon being able to hold his own with Blackbeard. But outright beat him? Even if he's capable I don't feel It should happen. We got 2 very hype individuals going at it, this is going to either hurt one or the other in the long run so if their to fight there should be no winner. A bit of a skirmish seems fine.

I want to see two top tiers going at it like you do, but Dragon and Blackbeard two of the most important characters come EOS isn't fit for a fight with each other, not one that will have a winner and a loser.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Magellan?

BB wasn't the main villain back then. ​

 

[Akuma]

There's nothing wrong with Dragon being able to hold his own with Blackbeard. But outright beat him? Even if he's capable I don't feel It should happen. We got 2 very hype individuals going at it, this is going to either hurt one or the other in the long run so if their to fight there should be no winner. A bit of a skirmish seems fine.

I want to see two top tiers going at it like you do, but Dragon and Blackbeard two of the most important characters come EOS isn't fit for a fight with each other, not one that will have a winner and a loser.

The thing is, we have seen very little of Dragon, but that little has been more impressive than anything BB has done. I also believe the DFs are OP depending on the user. I'm going with Teach not having entire mastery or dominance over both of his DFs to the same level.

BB wasn't the main villain back then. ​

BB was already established as a main villain back then. He had already turned in Ace, sending him to die. That from Luffy's perspective makes him the villain of the story.

 

[TRE MERCER]

BB was already established as a main villain back then. He had already turned in Ace, sending him to die. That from Luffy's perspective makes him the villain of the story.

Yes he established himself as a Villain not a main villain there's a difference. He didn't become the main villain to after he took WB df which basically implied that he'd be the one Luffy would need to beat since he had the strongest shown char df at that time.​

 

[Kiiszame]

Dragon's hype >>> BB's plot power.

BB is able to hurt DF users, but as Sabo has shown theyre super skilled in Haki. Dragon is assumed to have Conquers Haki and speculated to have a DF (or master of his haki). Sabo raped Burgess super low diff with barely any mastery of DF.

I just dont see either going down right now. Thats just not the Oda way. Why is Dragon calling all his leaders? Maybe theyre about to make a move so even if theyre home base got discovered they might not need it anymore. Either way this is just to build hype.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Shouldve made a poll.

on topic , i think no. BB is strategic he will either do nothing , of he will pit them against the world government just for his amusement.

 

[Punk Hazard]

BB wasn't the main villain back then. ​

LMFAO what terrible reasoning

If Teach is ever the main villain, then he's ALWAYS the main villain. That's how literary roles work.

 

[-ahhimane-]

It's not going to be an all out battle.
As always, Teach will run away with the tail between his legs but he will manage to take away the weapons from the revolutionary army... At least some of the weapons.

 

[KingHashirama]

Being main villain means he's only going to lose to the main character which isn't Dragon.​

not really. He can still be the main villain, and get his ass kicked by Dragon. And then grow stronger than him, and then be defeated by luffy.

Though I highly doubt he'd be the main villain. Hopefully its Kidd vs Luffy for the PK battle.

 

[Punk Hazard]

not really. He can still be the main villain, and get his ass kicked by Dragon. And then grow stronger than him, and then be defeated by luffy.

Though I highly doubt he'd be the main villain. Hopefully its Kidd vs Luffy for the PK battle.

Why Kid? It makes way more sense for it to be Teach, especially since Teach is Luffy's antithesis and he got Ace killed.

 

[KingHashirama]

Why Kid? It makes way more sense for it to be Teach, especially since Teach is Luffy's antithesis and he got Ace killed.

Same reason it was Shiki vs Roger. Teach too old, plus Kidd is more badass =D. And there is a age generation gap. If there is to be a final showdown for Pirate King it needs to be between : Drake/Hawkins/Kidd/Law (any one of them ) vs Luffy. Having an old guy like Teach, be the main rival for luffy over any of them, just ain't cool to me.

Luffy is a pirate, Akainu killed Ace.. doesn't mean i want it to be Akainu to be the last boss he has to defeat for PK. Ace got himself killed, by going after another pirate, knowing his own risk.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Same reason it was Shiki vs Roger. Teach too old, plus Kidd is more badass. And there is a age generation gap. If there is to be a final showdown for Pirate King it needs to be between : Drake/Hawkins/Kidd/Law (any one of them ) vs Luffy. Having an old guy like Teach, be the main rival for luffy over any of them, just ain't cool to me.

Luffy is a pirate, Akainu killed Ace.. doesn't mean i want it to be Akainu to be the last boss he has to defeat for PK. Ace got himself killed, by going after another pirate, knowing his own risk.

How is Kid more badass? He hasn't done anything Teach hasn't done. Kid has dismissed the legitimacy and authority of the WG and slaughtered innocents. That is his entire character as presented to us so far, and Teach fits the same description.

The age gap doesn't matter. Who cares that Teach is old and alive from the past generation? That impacts nothing.

Teach is the one that put himself in that position however. It's the fact that Teach set Ace's death in motion.

He's also Luffy's antithesis, perfect candidate for final villain.

 

[KingHashirama]

How is Kid more badass? He hasn't done anything Teach hasn't done. Kid has dismissed the legitimacy and authority of the WG and slaughtered innocents. That is his entire character as presented to us so far, and Teach fits the same description.

The age gap doesn't matter. Who cares that Teach is old and alive from the past generation? That impacts nothing.

Teach is the one that put himself in that position however. It's the fact that Teach set Ace's death in motion.

He's also Luffy's antithesis, perfect candidate for final villain.

Fat dude, who has an ugly laugh vs a Badass looking dude who is gonna be on Luffy's level, and potentially progress with his strength, plus magnetic ability. Yea... i'm gonna take Kid over Teach. You might find Teach more badass, more power to ya. To me he simply ain't even close to being a "badass".

I care, you not caring =/= no one cares. He is from the previous generation, the PK needs to be from the current generation, and the final battle, needs to be from the current generation. There is no reason to introduce 2 people (Law/Kidd) who are also going for PK.. and are from Luffy's generation..

Ace set his own death in motion. When you go after somebody who is stronger than you.. in order to kill them or w.e.. hey guess what? you might die. Luffy is gonna beat up Teach and teach is gonna be the final villain for luffy, because Ace got himself killed?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Fat dude, who has an ugly laugh vs a Badass looking dude who is gonna be on Luffy's level, and potentially progress with his strength, plus magnetic ability. Yea... i'm gonna take Kid over Teach. You might find Teach more badass, more power to ya. To me he simply ain't even close to being a "badass".

I care, you not caring =/= no one cares. He is from the previous generation, the PK needs to be from the current generation, and the final battle, needs to be from the current generation. There is no reason to introduce 2 people (Law/Kidd) who are also going for PK.. and are from Luffy's generation..

Ace set his own death in motion. When you go after somebody who is stronger than you.. in order to kill them or w.e.. hey guess what? you might die. Luffy is gonna beat up Teach and teach is gonna be the final villain for luffy, because Ace got himself killed?

LOL so what that he's fat and ugly? Are you rating their character or which one you want to ****? If power in comparison to Luffy's is the testament of badassery, Teach is already far more badass than Kid for being stronger than both of them. In measures of power? Oh, Kid can make metal float around through the air. How does that compare to Teach splitting islands, nullifying powers, destroying entire towns just to show his power can?

Okay, subjectively, it matters to you. I'm asking, objectively, how does it matter? Also, Teach is considered part of the current generation btw, or have you forgotten that he is also in the Worst Generation?

Still doesn't change that Teach set Ace on the path to death. Ace attacked Teach, yes, but it was Teach's defeating of Ace that set his death into motion. Ace played an arguably equal roll as Teach, but Teach was pivotal nonetheless.

 

[KingHashirama]

LOL so what that he's fat and ugly? Are you rating their character or which one you want to ****? If power in comparison to Luffy's is the testament of badassery, Teach is already far more badass than Kid for being stronger than both of them. In measures of power? Oh, Kid can make metal float around through the air. How does that compare to Teach splitting islands, nullifying powers, destroying entire towns just to show his power can?

You sound like you have a hard time understanding, this is about my opinion, on who I find badass. And why I want Kidd to be the final villain, I could careless, if you agree or not. Yea, the normal person, does tend to include the look of a person, in determining if they are more badass or not. You think all the people would still like Zoro/Law/Luffy/Kidd if they looked like Teach? no. As their look and the way they dress, along with their attitude is a deciding factor in what people determine to be badass.


Cool, and as I said, Kidd will grow in parallel with Luffy as far as their powers go.
So hes more badass because he has more power? That sounds just like Bandwagoning

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If you think the latter is more badass.. again.. more power to you..To me he is not badass.

Okay, subjectively, it matters to you. I'm asking, objectively, how does it matter? Also, Teach is considered part of the current generation btw, or have you forgotten that he is also in the Worst Generation?

He is part of the rookies.. that doesn't = same generation as far as actually being from their generation goes. As he is already a Yonko, while the people from Luffy's generation, are climbing their way up to beat the Yonko. Big difference.

Still doesn't change that Teach set Ace on the path to death. Ace attacked Teach, yes, but it was Teach's defeating of Ace that set his death into motion. Ace played an arguably equal roll as Teach, but Teach was pivotal nonetheless.

Yea, it was his fault for defending himself, and getting rid of a wanted Pirate, that would be a threat to him. Why are you making excuses for Ace setting his own demise?

The moment Ace chose to attack BB, with the intent to kill/beat him, he set the path for his death. Was BB going after Ace? no.. Did Ace expect BB to show him mercy? Or did you expect BB to show Ace mercy, after defeating him? BB did what was best for him, which was turning Ace in and becoming a Warlord, otherwise he would've just killed Ace himself.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You sound like you have a hard time understanding, this is about my opinion, on who I find badass. And why I want Kidd to be the final villain, I could careless, if you agree or not. Yea, the normal person, does tend to include the look of a person, in determining if they are more badass or not. You think all the people would still like Zoro/Law/Luffy/Kidd if they looked like Teach? no. As their look and the way they dress, along with their attitude is a deciding factor in what people determine to be badass.


Cool, and as I said, Kidd will grow in parallel with Luffy as far as their powers go.
So hes more badass because he has more power? That sounds just like Bandwagoning

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If you think the latter is more badass.. again.. more power to you..To me he is not badass.


He is part of the rookies.. that doesn't = same generation as far as actually being from their generation goes. As he is already a Yonko, while the people from Luffy's generation, are climbing their way up to beat the Yonko. Big difference.


Yea, it was his fault for defending himself, and getting rid of a wanted Pirate, that would be a threat to him. Why are you making excuses for Ace setting his own demise?

The moment Ace chose to attack BB, with the intent to kill/beat him, he set the path for his death. Was BB going after Ace? no.. Did Ace expect BB to show him mercy? Or did you expect BB to show Ace mercy, after defeating him? BB did what was best for him, which was turning Ace in and becoming a Warlord, otherwise he would've just killed Ace himself.

I understand it's your opinion. I'm disagreeing with your standards. Do you understand? No, I don't think Teach being fat or ugly reduces his badassery. No, I don't judge badassery purely based on appearance. I find Teach more badass because he actually has the fighting capacity to back it up and compete with the top tiers. Based on powers, Teach's powers are far cooler than anything Kid has shown to be able to do. Is Kid's appearance cooler? Yeah. Does that make him more badass and allow him to float by? Not a chance.

If growing in power in comparison to Luffy's makes Kid badass, then Teach is logically even more badass because not only has his power also grown, he's also become extremely more powerful.

Teach is literally a member of their generation of piracy, he is included in their group, the Worst Generation.

l literally just said they played equal roles. You're really good at selective reading. Teach is still responsible for Ace's death, as he turned him in to be executed. This responsibility coupled with being Luffy's antithesis is enough for him to be the final villain.

 

[lelerskates]

Being main villain means he's only going to lose to the main character which isn't Dragon.​

This is perhaps the dumbest thing ive seen posted on these forums which seems sincere. Don't ever type something stupid like that again.

 

[TRE MERCER]

LMFAO what terrible reasoning

If Teach is ever the main villain, then he's ALWAYS the main villain. That's how literary roles work.

''If Teach is ever the main villain, then he's ALWAYS the main villain''No. Obito and Madara went back and forth as the main Villain during the entire war. BB became the height of power after taking WB DF which basically stood and still stands as he'll be Luffy hardest foe before becoming PK and Oda has made that clear.​

not really. He can still be the main villain, and get his ass kicked by Dragon. And then grow stronger than him, and then be defeated by luffy.

Though I highly doubt he'd be the main villain. Hopefully its Kidd vs Luffy for the PK battle.

That would literally make 0 sense for him to lose to Dragon. That's like if someone came on stomped on Kaguya then Naruto and Sasuke went to fight her after she was beaten badly it would literally mean shit if they'd beat her simply because there are still people out their stronger. Luffy beating BB will establish that he's the strongest Pirate simple.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

This is perhaps the dumbest thing ive seen posted on these forums which seems sincere. Don't ever type something stupid like that again.

When has the main Villain ever lost to anyone bar the main char?

Aizen got stuffed by Ichigo.
Naruto and Sasuke ended Kaguya.

Calling a post retarded without going into reason why it's retarded it the dumbest thing ive seen posted on these forums.​

 

[KingHashirama]

That would literally make 0 sense for him to lose to Dragon. That's like if someone came on stomped on Kaguya then Naruto and Sasuke went to fight her after she was beaten badly it would literally mean shit if they'd beat her simply because there are still people out their stronger. Luffy beating BB will establish that he's the strongest Pirate simple.​

1. Hes not Kaguya, their characters very different. You can possibly compare him to Madara or Obito.

2. If the entire BB will be the final villain, because he had part in Ace dieing.. then why will Akainu not be the final villain? BB has done what luffy has been doing.. do w.e is best for themselves. Pretty shitty reason to be the Final villain..

3. That is IF BB is the strongest pirate.

4. No clue why you mentioned Kaguya, since it took 5 people to beat her.