Will KIshi's words ever become true?
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Doesn't really matter.
The Jougan can share the same Byakugan abilities, well it's already the case with the chakra network.
IMO other than Kenjutsu from Sasuke, I agree with SenseiSama.
Yeah it does in context.
Hyuuga's never had the ability to access the Jougan, so it's not a Hyuuga-dominant thing. Boruto got it from being a combination of Naruto and Hinata + other unexplained reasons.
So when we talk about lore wise, it'll probably be the case that the Jougan is related to the Otsutsuki Clan, rather than the Hyuuga Clan. And the reason why Boruto has, is because he comes from a strong Otsutsuki line from both sides of his parents.
SenseiSama's opinions are hypocritical IMO
We barely know anything about the Jougan but
- The Jougan can see the Chakra network
- It's related with the Ôtsutsuki
I don't know why you are denying facts, Boruto is more Hyuga than Uzumaki. His mother have a KKG and he inherited a KKG.. It's not far stretched to imply that IN FACT his Hyuga bloodine play a major role. I'm pretty sure Momoshiki stated something similar.
Matter of fact the Jougan is ANIME only. Boruto eye in the CH1 is a Byakugan, they could draw a Jougan but they never did because it wasn't created back then. Simple as that.
I don't see how he is hypocritical.
C'mon Boruto is a Hyuga, there is nothing wrong about asking for Boruto to have more Hyuga feats.
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Animator said that his eye's powers are not confirmed yet. So I would take that with a grain of salt
This too, but the reason why I'm saying it's Otsutsuki related, is because of Toneri knowing what it is.
If Boruto was more Hyuuga than Uzumaki, than Boruto would have had the Byakugan like his sister. But the fact is, Boruto is either a balance between his father and mother's genes, or the Uzumaki dominance gave him the Dojutsu.
He looks more like Naruto than Hinata, so that should be obvious. Even his personality
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Show me a scan of a vein-less Byakugan. Plz logically explain how Boruto can awaken a one eyed veinless Byakugan
No point in explaining it to you, you'll see it soon enough
Cause he's not playing the Hyuuga role. Himawari is.
Sure.
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Except he is. 50% Hyuga/25% Uzumaki/25% Namikaze
You seems to forget that Kishimoto stated the reason why Boruto doesn't have the Byakugan
Assumption
Obviously both of his parents play a role but Hinata have a KKG and Boruto inherited a KKG. Are you seriously trying to debate, the simple fact that his power is from his eye is because of Hinata.
How is that supposed to mean anything?
Himawari is 100% like Naruto except the hair.
This is where the mark play a role.
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This isn't a Jougan, Ikemoto could draw it but he didn't. That's proving my point that the anime retconned the manga.
Wrong.
We don't even know if Himawari is gonna become a Ninja.
The two episodes where Kishimoto play a role are about the Hyuga.
Did you forget the discussion between Hiashi & Naruto? =D
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Hinabaka look at boruto's jougan in the manga it has the pearl like circle in the middle. the only change is the black background it's called design change not retcon like pain's rinnegan it was different
Are you reading what I'm writing? I said the animator, who animated that episode, said that Boruto's Dojutsu [abilities] are not confirmed.
TLDR: They were making it up w/o a source material, the author doesn't know what he wants the eye to be or do it. So they just did random shit.Translation said:
That's why it was so random.
Except his physical appearance is Uzumaki/Namikaze dominant, and not Hyuuga dominant.
You seem to forget that Kishimoto never gave Boruto the Byakugan because he doesn't want to, whereas he retconned his statement with Himawari.
No shit.
Everything else you said was an assumption besides this. Like I stated before, BOTH parents play a role in the eye, but there's no dominance. It's an Otsutsuki-tied eye, not an Hyuuga or an Uzumaki trait. It's being a combination.
Unless you know something more than I, and the fandom, then this discussion ends there imo.
Himawari has Hinata's hair, and her personality is more aligned towards Hinata.
> I have translations to both of these if you want me to post it.
Whereas DB/Manga clarify Boruto looks a lot like his father, and his personality is aligned towards his dad too.
What the hell are you talking about? Boruto has the mark in the Anime, this argument is silly. It's not a Byakugan.
Or, Ikemoto didn't know what he wanted the eye to look like color wise, so he left it unshaded. The fact that it doesn't:
> Have veins
> Is it one eye
> The scene aligns 99% with the Manga
Means that both of them are the same. You'd have to be ignoring a lot to think that Boruto's Dojutsu (the Jougan) won't be in the Manga.
Himawari uses real Gentle Fist whilst Boruto can't -- yet
Hiashi told Naruto he wants him to bring Himawari when she's able to activate her byakugan.
Meanwhile Boruto gets trained by Sasuke.
Put 2 and 2 together
Chengxi Huang have no power, I don't even know why you relate to his post when it was supposed to not be taken seriously, refer to his original post.
Wrong.
Naruto inherited Blue eyes/Blond hair from Minato his facial features, eyes shape etc is from Kushina.
Boruto inherited Blue eyes/Blond hair from Naruto his facial features, eyes shape etc is from Hinata.
Do you seriously think that Boruto Naruto Next Generations wasn't planned? They just find a more interesting plotline.
Except that the Jougan can see the Chakra network like the Byakugan.
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I have to disagree, she is more like a mix of Hinata & Naruto with a bit of Kushina when she is angry.
Personality mean nothing when it come to genes.
“He was a boy who had inherited his father’s golden hair and blue eyes, and resembled his mother with his gentle facial features.” (x)
“Blond hair. Delicate, refined facial features that looked more like Hinata than Naruto.”
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Ok. :tea:
Sure.
Byakugan :
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It's not a Jougan lmao stop trying to justify stupid asspulls.
Again, do you seriously think that Boruto Naruto Next Generations wasn't planned ?
The manga got retconned, simple as that.
He is always in Hyuga fighting stance even in the EP8/EP9 where Kishi is involved.
Hiashi stated if something happen with both Boruto & Himawari.
Chengxi knows more about the Boruto series than both of us, as he works closely with the content creators. That's not even a discussion.
Naruto: "It's like looking at my shadow clone"
Boruto Movie Translations: "Naruto and Boruto are two peas in a pod when it comes to physical appearance" (Ask for the link via translation)
Boruto Manga/Movie: Has Naruto/Boruto parallel each other where their facial features are ALMOST identical.
Considering Kishimoto said he didn't want to continue the series, no. It was something that came around last minute
Except that the animator who did this scene said that the author doesn't know what he wants the Dojutsu to be yet.
I'm not talking about opinions here. Himawari's personality was actually stated to be more affectionate and kind like Hinata, she has nothing of Naruto's other than her facial features. Until proven otherwise, we don't know much about her yet. But she's the Hinata equivalent.
So novel filer? When you can show me scans of Boruto beating Yurui w/o cheating, then I'll accept this as 'canon'.
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Honestly shocked @ how dumb this argument is.
> Boruto's Dojutsu in the Manga and the Anime is the same.
> SP is known for changing colors of designs, compare Boruto Chapter 1 (future design) to his color scheme in the Anime.
Ukyo Kodachi told Ceki, that he isn't 100% with Boruto's Dojutsu, he isn't certain on what he wants. The reason why the Dojutsu is blank in the Manga, is because they weren't clear on the color scheme.
There's no Byakugan vein.
It's in one eye.
The scenes are literally the same.
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Yet you want me to believe that this isn't supposed to be the Jougan, and that the Anime made this 'Anime' only whereas the Manga it's a Byakugan?
What a joke. Stop trying to make ass-pulls out of things that aren't.
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And he can't even use real Gentle Fist. It's fan service.
I can post more scans of Boruto fighting in CQC without the Hyuugs stance, more times than he has used it. Manga wise too
He was talking in reference to Himawari, because he told her if the Byakugan becomes active again, she needs to come down here. Re-watch the scene or I'll post the screen shots.
Yeah exactly like the script writer that 80% just spread lie. Even mentioned that he don't know if Sasuke is coming back after Gaiden LOL.
Like I said Chengxi original post wasn't supposed to be taken seriously, fan like always over reacted.
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Are you serious :|
Kishimoto created the movie character design.
Kishimoto intentionally make him like Hinata when it come to the face, are you seriously denying it?
Of course Boruto look like Naruto it's due to the fact that they are sharing blue eyes and blond hair. The main prominent features coming from Naruto.
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You are trying way too hard to discredit Hinata. I don't care if you don't consider the novel as canon, the anime/movie Boruto facial features are from Hinata.
By the way, the fight against Yuri isn't detailed in the Novel. The fight is directly against Shikadai.
I don't see how this novel statement about Hinata & Boruto sharing the same facial features discredit the movie or anything? Like I said, Kishimoto himself created the characters.
You know that the personality doesn't equal genes, right?
The personality develop where you grow.
I'm shocked that you deny everything related with the Hyuga
They aren't, even the gif that you posted proof it.
Sure.
How is that similar?
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( Not talking about the colors )
Source?
I bet you don't have it.
How is that supposed to support your argument?
The mark seems to be connected with the eye.
The eye aren't?? sorry but I don't see it..
You don't understand anything..
The manga was released before the anime.
The Jougan is anime ONLY.
The anime retconned the manga which mean that the Jougan is the new thing, yeah.
The Jougan is purely the definition of ass-pulls. Where is Himawari Jougan?
And now there is Boruto, what a joke. :elmo:
And of course you call Boruto heritage fan service. Boruto in the movie also use the Hyuga Stance.
I agree that I was wrong but he stated that both Boruto & Himawari surprise him and he is concerned about them.
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The translation talks about how the eye isn't supposed to be taken literally, nothing about his comment being out of context. Unless you have a translation I missed.
Kishimoto literally stated via script to Boruto via his father, that they look almost exactly alike. There's no talk about Hinata on his face outside of a Novel reference, which isn't even canon lol.
It's not hard to discredit Hinata when your reaching.
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He looks like his dad. Sasuke, and Naruto have stated this. Kishimoto too
It mentions in the Novel that Boruto v. Yurui happens (in three sentences or less) -- He beat him with the shuriken tricks Sasuke and Konohamaru taught him. Extra filler.
I'm just stating he takes after his dad more
Not denying facts, just overboard wank.I'm shocked that you deny everything related with the Hyuga
They are literally alike.
Where is it colored? I don't care if your not talking about the color or not.
The eye is blank.
There is a scar.
There is mark on it.
Whereas the Manga has the scene colored.
That's the difference. If your talking about the shading in the eye, your ignoring too much at that point. Obviously the colors weren't planned, but the eye itself? 1 +1 = 2
Yeah it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously hence why the multiple emoji. Animator have no power when it come to the script.
Sure.
Same eyes shape
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Same rounded facial shape
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Not discrediting Hinata & Boruto same facial features. Seems like Kodachi & Kishimoto also agree.
inb4 Hinata isn't his mom LMAO
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Who is denying it?
Sure, stop denying his Hyuga influence.
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Sorry, I can't see it.
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The design isn't the same, in the manga you can see a little bit of "pupil" appearing ( just like the Byakugan ). It's completely different in the anime
Seki never mentioned Kodachi
The anime introduced the Jougan, in fact you can notice that every fan art of flash forward Boruto are with the Byakugan because the Jougan & the supposed Jougan in the manga are different.
They just find a more interesting plot line, not hard to understand tbh.
Exactly where is Himawari Jougan?
He use it often in the anime. You know the anime that is currently 150000x more popular than the manga.
Evidence? They are both Hyuga
- Are you implying that Sarada will spam Rasengan?
- Naruto look like who vs Pain?
- We haven't see him fighting?
- Are you implaying that he is limited to one master?
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Just cutting out the stuff that doesn't matter.
Dude it's filler. He takes after his papa the most, nothing on Hinata is him facial wise. The hair is different, and his eye color is different (apparently). But statement wise, he's Naruto's clons XD
It's the Jougan. They look exactly alike, except it's not shaded. Whereas the Byakugan is missing the most significant part of it's feature, the veins. It's literally common sense.
You'll find your answer
- Boruto doesn't have a Byakugan -
Boruto gets trained by Sasuke
"Evidence"
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His comment was serious, but the information he was relying was not to take the information serious. As in, him thinking that Boruto's eye is a combination of Naruto's evil intent ability + Hinata's Byakugan power. Whereas he ended saying that the author hasn't clarified what he wants yet, so wait until the Manga explains it later.
You know I can post pictures of Boruto and Naruto being paralleled to each other where they look 99% alike, even in eye shape and facial shape. To prove this argument wrong.
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Dude it's filler. He takes after his papa the most, nothing on Hinata is him facial wise. The hair is different, and his eye color is different (apparently). But statement wise, he's Naruto's clons XD
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Who is denying this? I'm not counting the Anime unless those abilities appear again.
Cause your ignoring everything.
This is what a Byakugan looks like
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It's the Jougan. They look exactly alike, except it's not shaded. Whereas the Byakugan is missing the most significant part of it's feature, the veins. It's literally common sense.
Who is the author of the BORUTO series? Because that's who he referenced.
You'll find your answer
The anime introduced what the Jougan looked like after being colored, but the Manga introduced the Jougan. That's the the end of the discussion.
Where is Ashura's SHaringan? Where is Hamura's Rinnegan?
Thus proving my point. He doesn't use it outside of fan service, which is the Anime.
Hiashi: Bring Himawari when she activates her Byakugan
- Boruto doesn't have a Byakugan -
Boruto gets trained by Sasuke
"Evidence"
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Wtf are you talking about?
What?
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Honestly, I doubt Seki have any power. Not to mention he is a newcomer plus like you mentioned multiple times ; Studio Pierrot can't be taken seriously.
And you decide to post Ikemoto manga.
I can do the exact same with Kishi design. Boruto take from both of his parents, it's hard to grasp?
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Kishimoto characters design disagree.
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It's official SKETCH, they aren't sharing the same EYES SHAPE in the initial DESIGN
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Inb4 denying the obvious
Of course and you refer to a Studio Pierrot animator to validate your argument XD
Double standard Indra.. eww I'm disappointed
Why would I ignore it? Trust me, I'm hyped for the Jougan.
Boruto CH1
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Himawari
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The Mark is probably what replace the veins IMO, if you look at the anime/manga the jougan is activated after the mark.
The anime isn't written by Kodachi.
The anime introduced another plot line so they can milk the series.
You aren't answering my question buddy.
The anime keep Boruto alive, you know that?
Boruto is half Hyuga.
Point blank.
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Your argument doesn't mean anything by your logic he is limited to one master.
Studio Pierrot XD
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I don't know why you keep referencing power, when we are talking about information. Seki works with Ukyo Kodachi, he's talked to him before. SO he knows more.
Ukyo is the one creating these things. I'm going to reference my SP points below since you can't grasp why I'm doing it for some reason.
None of those pictures you showed me made any reference to Boruto looking like Hinata. They all look like reaching hard af.
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Tell me how Naruto you see here :elmo:
Then tell me how much Hinata you see here, without posting irrelevant ass pics :elmo:
No. Ceki commented stating that the eye powers aren't existent, whereas I'm bringing up SP actually stating this is going to happen.
I don't know if your reading these posts carefully or not, but it's getting annoying having to explain something so obvious.
That's what your doing tho
The fact that your making the images as small as possible is proving my point. lol
Chapter 1
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Who is talking about the Anime? TF? The author of the Boruto series is Ukyo Kodachi, you know the person who created the Jougan?
He's the writing supervisor.
The Anime starts in the Academy.
What?
What?
What??? You keeping ignoring my points with BS. I don't care if he's half Hyuuga, how does that answer my post???
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So does Boruto look like Hiashi in the time skip or Sasuke?
*groan*
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Except that Seki doesn't work with Kodachi, lmao.
Seki is a Studio Pierrot Animator
Lmao.
I just stated that Boruto & Hinata share the same eyes shape and face shape, I'm not saying that Boruto is 100% like Hinata.
I'm posting actual sketch from Studio Pierrot, not to mention that Kishimoto created these design.
I'm not reaching ;
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His eye shape is more rounded EXACTLY like Hinata. Is it hard to grasp that he look at little bit like his mother?
Can't you see the difference?
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Boruto has the eyes shape of his mother while Himawari has the eyes shape of her father.
Anyway agree to disagree. Our discussion isn't going anywhere
Alright.
Studio Pierrot already give some abilities to the Jougan anyway and they are similar to the Byakugan
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No, I'm not. They aren't similar IMO.
No? I'm just focusing the screenshot to the eye.
Boruto Manga
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They don't look like each other besides the veins?
And now.. Jougan
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You are confirming my point, the mark is like a "fuel" for the eye.
Oh yeah! I remember this guy.
The man that give two episodes centered on Boruto heritage, give the Jougan byakugan abilities and stated that Boruto facial features = Hinata
Pretty much milking it, yeah.
Why Himawari doesn't have the Jougan, I want you to answer this question and don't ignore it please
The anime popularity keep Boruto/Naruto popularity alive. The manga doesn't sell shit anymore.
Which post? You denying that Boruto is half Hyuga?
You don't care that he is half Hyuga?
Your fav is a ****ing half Hyuga, his mother is a Hyuga. Stop trying.
Who knows?
We haven't see Boruto flash forward fighting.
Exactly. I'm extremely disappointed. Don't think you will be like that tbh
I'm not fan of the double standard ppl.
Always defended you, seems like you don't care about it.
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