Will gentle fist negate Susanoo?

[HENI]

Nah those palm strikes aren't gonna make it through the Susano'o. There's a reason why Hashirama was the only one who was capable of facing Madara. The Hyuuga clan didn't dare to challenge Madara.

 

[Solarmoth]

It defeats it. Look at what Kaguya did to sasuke's Perfect Susano'o.

Kaguya has the Rinnegan-Sharingan powers. Her gentle fist consists of the third eye influence, not just Byakugan's. If she could do that before she got the third eye by eating chakra fruit, she wouldn't have come to earth in search of the fruit. Only after eating the fruit and gaining middle eye, did she possess the power to solo the entire Naruto world.

I think this is incorrect. And even if i were to agree, the only time Mei was healed by Tsunade, Byakugou wasn't active.

Do you think Sasuke's unformed Susano'O is stronger than Madara's Version 2 Susano'O?

 

[Jinrou]

Do you think Sasuke's unformed Susano'O is stronger than Madara's Version 2 Susano'O?

What does this have to do with byakugou healing transference?

 

[Solarmoth]

What does this have to do with byakugou healing transference?

The fact that mei's lava power was increased and infused with the chakra power of uzumaki and senju.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Kaguya has the Rinnegan-Sharingan powers. Her gentle fist consists of the third eye influence, not just Byakugan's. If she could do that before she got the third eye by eating chakra fruit, she wouldn't have come to earth in search of the fruit. Only after eating the fruit and gaining middle eye, did she possess the power to solo the entire Naruto world.


Do you think Sasuke's unformed Susano'O is stronger than Madara's Version 2 Susano'O?

Nothing but facts.

 

[Styles]

No only Kaguya can due to the immense chakra she have.

 

[SenseiSama]

Gentle FIst negates chakra, by nature it shits on every jutsu in NV. But it's up to the user to determine what level of chakra Juken will work on. Hamura is the only one capable of shitting on Sasuke like Kaguya did.

 

[esenn1]

I never realized why that deadly fist is called "gentle"

 

[Solarmoth]

Gentle FIst negates chakra, by nature it shits on every jutsu in NV. But it's up to the user to determine what level of chakra Juken will work on. Hamura is the only one capable of shitting on Sasuke like Kaguya did.

I believe everything can be solved by pure logic and common sense. So even if it's not blatantly stated, it's very blurry and unlikely to think that we will've a pure hyuga user applying GF to destroy any version of Susano'o any time remotely in Boruto manga. If Kaguya could do all that with her GF alone; in the sense that she can win the whole war alone by using her "Byakugan GF" Power alone, why did she go out of her way to get a hold of the chakra fruit and even planning future events to finally get her hands back again on it, this desperately? That's illogical.
There's a reason even though her main dream in life was getting the Rinnegan-Sharingan, her main arsenal is a byakugan Technique. The only logic which fits in between is that her GF is exponentially power increased and altered by her Middle eye like Amaterasu is shape manipulated by Sasuke's other eye. Or like Sasuke can teleport into dimensions only with both of his charged eyes, while he can still teleport over a finite distance with his raw Rinnegan power.

Both are Teleportation, but doesn't they're one and the same thing.

People at that time didn't even've access to Chakra as a fighting weapon, let alone match Kaguya, if she had that power she used to obliterate Susano'O with her base Byakugan alone. Which means her advanced GF came to be as powerful as it is, after gaining and mixing the properties of Rinnegan-sharingan in conjunction with her Byakugan.

 

[SenseiSama]

I believe everything can be solved by pure logic and common sense. So even if it's not blatantly stated, it's very blurry and unlikely to think that we will've a pure hyuga user applying GF to destroy any version of Susano'o any time remotely in Boruto manga. If Kaguya could do all that with her GF alone; in the sense that she can win the whole war alone by using her "Byakugan GF" Power alone, why did she go out of her way to get a hold of the chakra fruit and even planning future events to finally get her hands back again on it, this desperately? That's illogical.
There's a reason even though her main dream in life was getting the Rinnegan-Sharingan, her main arsenal is a byakugan Technique. The only logic which fits in between is that her GF is exponentially power increased and altered by her Middle eye like Amaterasu is shape manipulated by Sasuke's other eye. Or like Sasuke can teleport into dimensions only with both of his charged eyes, while he can still teleport over a finite distance with his raw Rinnegan power.

Both are Teleportation, but doesn't they're one and the same thing.

People at that time didn't even've access to Chakra as a fighting weapon, let alone match Kaguya, if she had that power she used to obliterate Susano'O with her base Byakugan alone. Which means her advanced GF came to be as powerful as it is, after gaining and mixing the properties of Rinnegan-sharingan in conjunction with her Byakugan.

Kaguya used Juken to destroy Susanoo, Gai and Lee rely on chakra control to use Gates jutsu, When it comes to strictly logic and the way Kishi likes to divide powers.


Hagoromo = master of producing chakra

Hamura = master of destroying chakra


The reason why Hyuga could never match Uchiha is because we were doing the wrong comparisons most of the times, the talent of Hinata's clan doesn't lie in ninjutsu, it lies in the ability to counter ninjutsu. On the other hand, Sharingan is the ultimate tool for ninjutsu.


In terms of potential, Hyuga easily match Uchiha and Senju based on the description of their power in part 1. They should have the ability to enhance their chakra flow in a similar manner to Gate users, that combined with the fact they have the best chakra control, they could easily be top 3 jutsu users in NV but plot restricted them for Uchiha spotlight.

 

[Solarmoth]

When it comes to strictly logic and the way Kishi likes to divide powers.


Hagoromo = master of using chakra

Hamura = master of destroying chakra




Hyuga could never match Uchiha because we were doing the wrong comparisons most of the times, the talent of Hinata's clan doesn't lie in ninjutsu, it lies in the ability to counter ninjutsu. On the other hand, Sharingan is the ultimate tool for ninjutsu.

It'd be true, only if the user has all the characteristics of Hamura, which a pure hyuga doesn't. It's like saying a base sharingan user can use Izanagi perfectly, even though only a Wood release working in conjuction with Sharingan can make use of a perfect Izanagi.

Hyuga as a whole is just one half of this whole ancestral household of Hamura. Otsutsuki is the other half.

Just like the sage's descendants are divided into Uchiha and Senju. Now, saying Uchiha feats is equal to Senju is illogical, isn't it?

Edit: I see you edited your post, it's clearer now.

But you see, Plot is not the answer. Plot can be said for anything. Instead of claiming plot, the more logical method is knowing or trying to understand why things are the way they're.

Gates are totally different things, they're not the opening of Chakra points, they're the opening of certain "Gates". This is like exchanging feats among clans, it's almost hilarious imo. Its like me saying, Senju is brother of Uchiha, so they didnt get powerful eye power to manipulate Bijuu so it's plot.

You look how funny it is? How hilarious and how endless this logic is? Otsutsuki + Hyuga = Hamura, Otsutsuki feats =/= Hyuga, Hyuga feats = Hamura, Hamura feats =/= Hyuga feats.

So this roundabout logic ends nowhere. Literally nowhere.

If opening gates are so easy, Might guy wouldn't be the only individual, uptill the War era, to open and master all the Gates imo. If it was that easy. It's called celestial gates for a reason, not "Chakra gates" like "chakra points". They're totally different things, no matter how similar it sounds. To make it worse, Might gai was the Sensei of Hyuga neji, the most genius Hyuga ever born in the Clan imo. If Neji could achieve that power, Gai would've willingly taught him imo.

And even by your hypothesis, which do make sense in the logical manner, it's disaproven by the manga, by Hashirama's statement, who said no one clan would be capable of facing them if Madara and Hashi and thier respective clan team up.

Keep in Mind only Madara could use Susano'O at that point and only Hashirama had Mokuton.

If we follow plot logic, Senju clan would be the weakest clan, considering how broken Hyuga taijutsu style is, even then Hashirama didn't even care to keep them near thier level, not even close.

So as the series is now, Senju and Uchiha are established as the Strongest Clans. Thier is no changing that. No matter how skilled a hyuga is to appear, he/she'll never outmatch an Uchiha with a Susanoo. Unless he/she gets the ancestral power of Hamura's direct chakra and power. Hyuga's power alone is not enough. That fact is far by now, clearly and unchangeably established by this Manga.


Even if we're going by the past surpasses the future logic, the War alliance Shinobi were clearly amazed by Hashirama and Madara, so it's clear that some levels of power and status will never be surpassed unless some certain conditions like Ancestral transmigration helping a certain person reach those levels of height takes place.

 

[Mori Jin]

Kaguya has the Rinnegan-Sharingan powers. Her gentle fist consists of the third eye influence, not just Byakugan's. If she could do that before she got the third eye by eating chakra fruit, she wouldn't have come to earth in search of the fruit. Only after eating the fruit and gaining middle eye, did she possess the power to solo the entire Naruto world.


Do you think Sasuke's unformed Susano'O is stronger than Madara's Version 2 Susano'O?

Your point is mute. The threads about gentle fist and not her Rinnesharingan. She used this Taijutsu style in conjugation with her Byakugan to destroy sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and that's a fact. Everything else is what a typical uchiha fanboy would say, so I don't really care .

 

[Solarmoth]

Your point is mute. The threads about gentle fist and not her Rinnesharingan. She used this Taijutsu style in conjugation with her Byakugan to destroy sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and that's a fact. Everything else is what a typical uchiha fanboy would say, so I don't really care .

I'm not a fanboy of anyone. I'm a fan of Naruto but I don't overrate or underestimate anyone just to satisfy my bias. I'm in the side of logic and reason, as you've seen in all of my posts, I even admitted Tenseigan is the better eye, proving I'm not an Uchiha fanboy.

If anything, you're not trying to listen to side of reason, is what should really be classified as "fanboying".

You're right, the thread is about whether A can beat B but the conclusion is it can't, when you cancel the whole "plot" logic, unless A and C meets and then combined together beats B, which in fact, is logically possible. Hyuga beating Susanoo should've been done long ago, not now, as ancestral fights are always superior to predecessor's battles as we've clearly seen. There's nothing new which is gonna happen, Naruto manga is based on clan power and ancestral gifts passed on, so there's nothing which can be considered "new" in this Manga as long as Kishimoto is still a part of it.

Hashirama knows every clan far better than us, yet he didnt bother to mention Hyuga says many things.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

It already happened with low diff.

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[Solarmoth]

It already happened with low diff.

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Except the one in the scan is the ancestor of Otsutsuki, hyuga, Uchiha, Uzumaki, Senju and many other clans.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Except the one in the scan is the ancestor of Otsutsuki, hyuga, Uchiha, Uzumaki, Senju and many other clans.

And her powers are amped by both rinnesharingan and the chakra fruit. If it was so

 

[Solarmoth]

And her powers are amped by both rinnesharingan and the chakra fruit. If it was so

^Truth. Kaguya got Rinne-Sharingan after eating Chakra fruit + she didn't've the power to solo the world before eating it, meaning, her Gentle fist is exponentially advanced by co-existing it harmoniously with her Rinne.


Just because a technique is similar to another does not mean both are same. Otherwise, Uchiha can be given wood release, uzumaki chain jutsu, hyuga gentle fist and senju vice versa, uzumaki vice versa, but in the end, most of these people who use pure logical fallacies, should realize that the Uchiha will come out victorious in the end, reason is,

- Kaguya never used Susano'O so it cannot be swapped to hyuga clan members as an inheritable trait.
- Kamui wasnt used by Kaguya.
- Amaterasu wasn't used by Kaguya.
- Base Tsukiyomi which includes time manipulation was not used by Kaguya.

I could go on. This is the culmination of this fallacious logic, any one can keep swapping clan abilities among thier faves if they've any sort of narrow connection with a specific clan's ancestor, but even if we follow the same falliciousness, the result will be Uchihas overwhelming Hyugas, Uzumakis, Senju, Otsutsuki etc etc in all areas, because Kaguya hasn't shown one MS feat to suggest she is viable to swap or transfer it to her descendant clans.

Leave all of these complications, by the sage's words, an average Uchiha is even capable of using infinite tsukiyomi, considering he said " Kaguya not only had the byakugan power, but also the sharingan's power...." referring to the fact that IT is sharingan base ability by that logic. Which means no matter how much feats hyuga is getting from Kaguya, they're still getting oneshotted by the average Uchiha.

 

[Mori Jin]

I'm not a fanboy of anyone. I'm a fan of Naruto but I don't overrate or underestimate anyone just to satisfy my bias. I'm in the side of logic and reason, as you've seen in all of my posts, I even admitted Tenseigan is the better eye, proving I'm not an Uchiha fanboy.

If anything, you're not trying to listen to side of reason, is what should really be classified as "fanboying".

You're right, the thread is about whether A can beat B but the conclusion is it can't, when you cancel the whole "plot" logic, unless A and C meets and then combined together beats B, which in fact, is logically possible. Hyuga beating Susanoo should've been done long ago, not now, as ancestral fights are always superior to predecessor's battles as we've clearly seen. There's nothing new which is gonna happen, Naruto manga is based on clan power and ancestral gifts passed on, so there's nothing which can be considered "new" in this Manga as long as Kishimoto is still a part of it.

Hashirama knows every clan far better than us, yet he didnt bother to mention Hyuga says many things.

It happened already in the Manga. So you are going to have to find a way to deal with that. Don't see no logic but excuses coming from you.

 

[Solarmoth]

It happened already in the Manga. So you are going to have to find a way to deal with that. Don't see no logic but excuses coming from you.

What's my excuse btw? Care to point it out? I can give the average Uchiha the power to cast IT, are you okay with that? Sage said IT is sharingan jutsu.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Except the one in the scan is the ancestor of Otsutsuki, hyuga, Uchiha, Uzumaki, Senju and many other clans.

You asked about gentle fist and Susanoo, I posted manga scan where those 2 had direct clash and gentle fist won.

Now its on you to post a scan of gentle fist failing against Susanoo to claim the opposite.I will wait.