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[SAKumono26]

yeah me to, he has to be pretty strong if he can control root.

exactly

 

[6th hokage]

sorry no link but i will tell you this...
He took on the 1st 2nd and oro when he was and i qoute "cuz he was about to croke anyway"
and still beat the 1st and 2nd..... and to top that...
he was holding back during the fight cuz he still saw oro as his protoge.
so if an old, holding back sarutobi can beat both at the same time, then goddammit he would whoop there ass when he was in his prime.

ok. but things are not as blunt as this. i wud dig a little deep and ask a few ques.

1) wud u consider soul summoning in a lame sand ninja(thats what they were) exactly equivalent to a breathing, living hokage in his own body?

2) do u think edo tensei(soul summoning) can give the exact intensity and power of any jutsu conducted by the summoned soul, same as when he was alive? for example, pain has a tech, shape shifting tech, where itachi and kisame transferred only 30% of their chakra to their look alike and cudnt perform many tech. does edo tensei have same handicap?

3) also does edo tensei allow the soul to perform all of his jutsus? why did they not summon anything, whereas 3rd fought with enma? is it they didnt or cudnt? we know summon requires user's blood. since it was a sand ninja's body, is it possible they cudnt summon anything due to this?

4) 3rd stuck explosive on their hands and legs, any hokage level ninja cud easily detect that, might even avoid that, esp the 1st who fought madara who moves like lightning. whats wrong with their reaction? were they not themselves?

5) the most imp thing. they were just obeying oro. at one point, they even lost their personality(that kunai in the head). now, a konoha ninja can go beyond his abilities just bcos of certain WILL OF FIRE. it is precisely the reason why 3rd pushed himself to the limit despite his old age and give him the strength we are talking abt. give the WILL OF FIRE to 1st or 2nd, do u think they cud perform better?

now, dont tell me they perform some hokage level tech, i am asking what they did cud they do better?? bcos a person(living,breathing one with will of fire) who cud control all the bijuu like a pet and defeated EMS+kuybi and come out unscathed, is sth else. all he needed is to let loose a few of his bijuus against his opponent and need not to do anything himself. 'whooping his ass' my ass.

just my opinion.

 

[Renegade87]

ok. but things are not as blunt as this. i wud dig a little deep and ask a few ques.

1) wud u consider soul summoning in a lame sand ninja(thats what they were) exactly equivalent to a breathing, living hokage in his own body?

2) do u think edo tensei(soul summoning) can give the exact intensity and power of any jutsu conducted by the summoned soul, same as when he was alive? for example, pain has a tech, shape shifting tech, where itachi and kisame transferred only 30% of their chakra to their look alike and cudnt perform many tech. does edo tensei have same handicap?

3) also does edo tensei allow the soul to perform all of his jutsus? why did they not summon anything, whereas 3rd fought with enma? is it they didnt or cudnt? we know summon requires user's blood. since it was a sand ninja's body, is it possible they cudnt summon anything due to this?

4) 3rd stuck explosive on their hands and legs, any hokage level ninja cud easily detect that, might even avoid that, esp the 1st who fought madara who moves like lightning. whats wrong with their reaction? were they not themselves?

5) the most imp thing. they were just obeying oro. at one point, they even lost their personality(that kunai in the head). now, a konoha ninja can go beyond his abilities just bcos of certain WILL OF FIRE. it is precisely the reason why 3rd pushed himself to the limit despite his old age and give him the strength we are talking abt. give the WILL OF FIRE to 1st or 2nd, do u think they cud perform better?

now, dont tell me they perform some hokage level tech, i am asking what they did cud they do better?? bcos a person(living,breathing one with will of fire) who cud control all the bijuu like a pet and defeated EMS+kuybi and come out unscathed, is sth else. all he needed is to let loose a few of his bijuus against his opponent and need not to do anything himself. 'whooping his ass' my ass.

just my opinion.

1) yes, sarutobi said so himself "your power has not waned one bit"

2) dont think so, becuz of what's stated above

3) dont know about this one, but they were actually brought back to life, so they should have blood running through them...dont ask me why they didn't summon anything...maybe kishi was lazy

4) i agree with you on this one they were not themselves and therefore couldn't think straight and say, hmmmm...maybe this exploding tag could be bad

5) sure they could perform better, but we are still talking about who would win if they were both in their prime.

as for the bijuus, we've seen a number of akatsuki members taking out a bijuu, i'd put sarutobi over almost all of them, so even though he wouldnt whoop their ass, i'd say he'd still come out on top.

and last but not least...sarutobi became hokage when he was only 12, why would sho and nidaime make him hokage if they were still stronger then him???
imagine the gap of power between them when he was in his prime..takin in account he was already stronger then them at the age of 12.
plus it's been said in the manga and anime:
sarutobi was praised to be the stronger then the hokages that came b4 him.
so i'd take back the whooping there ass(it was for emphasise)
but there just aint no way the first and second could beat him, it's the naruto way...
the next generation always surpasses the previous one.

 

[Hiruzen Sarutobi]

Here I am. O_O

The biggest Hiruzen Sarutobi fan in the world.

 

[6th hokage]

1) yes, sarutobi said so himself "your power has not waned one bit"

2) dont think so, becuz of what's stated above

3) dont know about this one, but they were actually brought back to life, so they should have blood running through them...dont ask me why they didn't summon anything...maybe kishi was lazy

4) i agree with you on this one they were not themselves and therefore couldn't think straight and say, hmmmm...maybe this exploding tag could be bad

5) sure they could perform better, but we are still talking about who would win if they were both in their prime.

as for the bijuus, we've seen a number of akatsuki members taking out a bijuu, i'd put sarutobi over almost all of them, so even though he wouldnt whoop their ass, i'd say he'd still come out on top.

and last but not least...sarutobi became hokage when he was only 12, why would sho and nidaime make him hokage if they were still stronger then him???
imagine the gap of power between them when he was in his prime..takin in account he was already stronger then them at the age of 12.
plus it's been said in the manga and anime:
sarutobi was praised to be the stronger then the hokages that came b4 him.
so i'd take back the whooping there ass(it was for emphasise)
but there just aint no way the first and second could beat him, it's the naruto way...
the next generation always surpasses the previous one.

first of all 3rd is one my fav hokage. so i hope i dont sound like i am against him, but what i am saying is its not straightforward to come to any conclusion from just that fight(oro vs 3rd). there are many ifs and buts involved here.

its true in many circumstances that new gen will surpass prev gen. but in many circumstances its not true. for example 5th(although she specialized in med) didnt surpass any generation, in my view. abt the bijuu thing, i said if he let loose 4/5 or more bijus at the same time(not just one), then it shud be trouble for everyone. personally i dont think anyone cud beat 1st. may be(guessing) 4th was equal to him.

by the way where did u get he became hokage at 12. this is the strangest thing i have heard apart from pain is yondaime.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

He had to die to save konoha...That a good reason I think!

 

[Neutrino00]

Orochimaru could have owned him easily if he was serious, and actually fought himself and went all out. He only summoned the hokages so that he could like humuliate the 3rd and stuff, by forcing him to fight his former leaders and stuff. Orochimaru was playing with him the entire time, he probably even had the hokage hold back in ninjutsu and stuff throughout the fight. Face it, we pretty much never saw Orochimaru actually go all out and participate in the fight, with his ninjutsu and stuff. He could have easily used his transform into a white snake, and paralize him with his poison, he could have used his "hydra" attack, which he used against Itachi(but was shut down by susanoo), which is actually a pretty powerful ability, I mean having several gigantic snakes, which he can merge with is pretty epic. He never summoned manda, but the third summoned enma. He could have had those 1000000 some snakes with swords coming out of their mouths, come out of his mouth, like what he did with 4 tail kyuubi naruto. He can come out of his mouth and change his bodies shape, and heal to pretty much full health easily. And he probably has several other techs. The third is extremely powerful I admit, and is probably even more super strong when he was in his prime, but at this time, and POSSIBlY(not for certain) can hold his own or beat the 3rd in his prime.

 

[SAKumono26]

i agree cause have u noticed that orochimaru did not use any of his high rankingj utsu
& even hiruzen
did not theo nly great high rankingj uts he used
was emma
& the 4ths jutsu

 

[<3 Pesh <3]

LORD JESUS Y DID HIRUZEN HAVE TO DIE
KISHIS SHOULD @ LEST TELL US how & WHy he was more powerful then the previous hokaegs
& known as one of the strongest shinobis in the ninja world

Spoiler

JUTSU:


* Dead Demon Consuming Seal
* Earth Clone Technique (Anime only)
* Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet (Anime only)
* Earth Release: Earth Flow River (Anime only)
* Earth Release: Earth Style Wall
* Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Missile
* Five Elements Unseal
* Four Symbols Seal
* Shadow Clone Technique
* Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
* Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
* Technique Neutralize
* Telescope Technique



ABILITIES

Spoiler

Hiruzen was unarguably one of most powerful shinobi in history. He has been called the most powerful Hokage in history. Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime even though he had clearly been able to withstand Orochimaru, Hashirama (First Hokage), and Tobirama (Second Hokage), even to the extent of repelling and withstanding Hashirama's Wood Release and Tobirama's Water Release techniques and as well as blowing up both Hashirama and Tobirama's arms and legs respectively. He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage, and apparently had an undefeated streak, having defeated all foes that came before him (until he sacrificed himself in order to stop Orochimaru).

Hiruzen was called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā) and The God of Shinobi due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat and his vast knowledge of Jutsu, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha. The first technique he was seen using is the Telescope Technique which allowed him to observe others through his crystal ball over long distances. With Roof Tile Shuriken, he could launch nearby tiles at an opponent with varying intensities, and by throwing a single shuriken at an opponent he could replicate it to surround the opponent through Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique.

The more battle-oriented techniques he was seen using primarily consist of elemental attacks, as he had an affinity for fire and earth. Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Missile allowed him to exhale a stream of fire from his mouth. Earth Release: Earth Flow River created a river of mud beneath the opponent to throw them off balance, and he could use the mud with Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet, which creates a dragon's head that launches mud balls at an opponent. He had also shown to be adept in elemental combo attacks as seen when he ignited the mud ball projectiles with Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Missile. Earth Release: Earth Style Wall allowed Hiruzen to spit a stream of mud that solidifies into a protective shield.

Hiruzen also had a personal summon: Enma, the Monkey King. Enma could turn into a diamond-hard staff which could alter its length and width at will. This staff was Hiruzen's weapon of choice, and he showed great proficiency in wielding it.

because he's pretty old?

 

[Devlin]

cud u post me the manga link or databook info where it says he was stronger than previous hokage(s). bcos the description u posted is from wikia which is a fanfic, not canon. i know it is mentioned he knows all the techniques that exists in konoha. but this is ambiguous, bcos he may know how any technique works, but it is simply not possible for him to execute them. for example, he simply cant do eye tech or bug tech or any other clan specific tech or manipulate all elements.

i am not trying to drag him down, he is like my 3rd fav hokage after 1st and 4th. but i wud ask myself can he top the feat of defeating EMS ans Kuybi at the same time and come out unscathed in his prime?

He had super strength (alot like tsunade),like each of the hokages before had there own special techniques i.e. making water from nothing,wood etc.. you get my drift,dunno about overall stronger but maybe physically....

 

[Renegade87]

first of all 3rd is one my fav hokage. so i hope i dont sound like i am against him, but what i am saying is its not straightforward to come to any conclusion from just that fight(oro vs 3rd). there are many ifs and buts involved here.

its true in many circumstances that new gen will surpass prev gen. but in many circumstances its not true. for example 5th(although she specialized in med) didnt surpass any generation, in my view. abt the bijuu thing, i said if he let loose 4/5 or more bijus at the same time(not just one), then it shud be trouble for everyone. personally i dont think anyone cud beat 1st. may be(guessing) 4th was equal to him.

by the way where did u get he became hokage at 12. this is the strangest thing i have heard apart from pain is yondaime.

yeah i only recently found out about that to...
it's in ep 73 around 7 minutes.

you made some good points, not everything can be based on that fight alone..but i'd still say the 3rd is stronger then the first and second..guess we just have to agree to disagree

 

[huyoko]

concerning him fighting the 1st and 2nd hokages u can only think that the technique oro used to res them doesnt bring back there full amount of power, considering the first in his prime had control of all the bijuus and shared them out with other villages to try and gain peace.

but for me the third had to die to gain a place in legendary status i mean who wouldnt want to die like that fighting to protect the one thing he loved more than anything else makes him a true hero.

i would like to see some mangas made about 1st 2nd and 3rd eventually back when they were younger but i may be asking to much

 

[roflcopter]

I dont believe the third is stronger than madara.

 

[BAN_KAI]

If he was younger he would kick there ass easily