[Discussion] Why Zoro is not Weaker than Luffy

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No proof Luffy is superior, his feats dont give him the right to be called the strongest. In a fight between the two, I would be surprised if any of the both survive the fight.
They are equals until we see a fight.
His feats do give him the right actually, since Luffy has defeated stronger opponents than Zoro not to mention the moment Mihawk said to Luffy the goal towards the Pirate King is tougher than becoming the WBS was the moment in my eyes Luffy had to be stronger than Zoro.
 

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the jet pistol that he did against the three fish man power was reduced when he hordy it sent him flying

and the vs hordy fight hordy would have been killed if he wasnt taking a bunch of energy pills

andd the fight was over quicker than the anime showed in the manga

luffy greater but zoro is definitely strong but not as strong as luffy
 

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you know what proves your statement wrong, the fact that you tell them apart from strength
one can be stronger than someone else, but if that person had a better way of defending against that strength that makes the other one stronger.
i'm saying that the power of their oppenents may have been close to each other, but what about their defenses
 

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I thought Zoro would not follow a captain who is "weaker" then himself?
Thought the manga clearly stated this , I can be wrong though but I dont think I am.
 

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I thought Zoro would not follow a captain who is "weaker" then himself?
Thought the manga clearly stated this , I can be wrong though but I dont think I am.
Are you talking about the time when Luffy used CoC?
Because it's not stated at that time that Zoro wouldn't follow someone weaker than him. It's different.
 
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Strength and who would win in a one on one fight is different. Honestly I think Zoro could beat Luffy 1v1, but in terms of strength, Luffy and Zoro are roughly on the same level with Luffy having an edge
 

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Luffy has a crew, a strong crew who each have their own strengths and weaknesses, they've all complimented each other in one way or another during their travels. There will always be hypothetical situations based on the manga because they way it's written. The whole story is unfolded to show team work is invaluable! That's the whole point in OP just like Naruto, friends who have created strong bonds with each other to the point where they're willing to sacrifice their lives for that person/persons. It's not a one man mission to gauge strength, if it were then we'd be seeing one on one fights and royal rumble types fights galore.

My point being it's impossible to say who's stronger unless it's shown in a one v one fight between said characters. You can't say for certain Zoro woulda beat Enel if he was rubber, you know why? Because he's not, Luffy is and that's the way the story goes, just like you can't say Luffy would have beating Daz Bones if he'd been immune to slashing and stabbing because he's not, neither is Zoro but he is a master swordsman able to cut through steel. You can't judge a characters chances in a hypothetical duel based on manga feats.
 
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Lets look at it this way, would Zoro survive or be able to continue after a blow from Luffy's strongest attack, ie - armored haki elephant Gatling gun? I think he'd survive but he'd be out for the count. Would Luffy survive or be able to continue after getting hit with Zoros strongest attack? Like three sword style (Santoryu) damage. Tbh I don't think Luffy would survive that. Again thought it's back to hypotheticals. Imo I think whomever could hit who first with their best attack wins.

Now on to the 'who is the fastest debate'
 

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Prove it Rinne, Prove it. :cool:

Lets look at it this way, would Zoro survive or be able to continue after a blow from Luffy's strongest attack, ie - armored haki elephant Gatling gun? I think he'd survive but he'd be out for the count. Would Luffy survive or be able to continue after getting hit with Zoros strongest attack? Like three sword style (Santoryu) damage. Tbh I don't think Luffy would survive that. Again thought it's back to hypotheticals. Imo I think whomever could hit who first with their best attack wins.

Now on to the 'who is the fastest debate'
Zoro's endurance is way more than Luffy. He can take the Elephant gatling, but thing is he wouldn't just stand there and try not to dodge or counter it or dodge it. Also, you agree with the rest?
 
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I agree LitzSabr. They are portrayed to be equal(or at the same level at least) so far. If i remember correctly, i think Oda even already stated in the yellow that Zoro was as strong as Luffy
 

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I thought Zoro would not follow a captain who is "weaker" then himself?
Thought the manga clearly stated this , I can be wrong though but I dont think I am.
That's true. Zoro being as strong as his Captain has nothing to do with that though. They were equals until Luffy got gears. The whole point of the gears was to become a lot faster with the cost of shortening his lifetime. Now it appears to be that Luffy is not suffering from that anymore, so Zoro being as strong as him okay.

OT: I think they are back to being equals again. Luffy will most likely become stronger again near the end.
 

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Prove it Rinne, Prove it. :cool:



Zoro's endurance is way more than Luffy. He can take the Elephant gatling, but thing is he wouldn't just stand there and try not to dodge or counter it or dodge it. Also, you agree with the rest?
Again that's hypothetical and your opinion, there's nothing to prove that's iron clad. Imo Luffy is much faster that Zoro, or atleast his initial speed acceleration is, so I believe that he could pound Zoro with his greatest attack before Zoro could dodge it.
 

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Again that's hypothetical and your opinion, there's nothing to prove that's iron clad. Imo Luffy is much faster that Zoro, or atleast his initial speed acceleration is, so I believe that he could pound Zoro with his greatest attack before Zoro could dodge it.
IMO what? Zoro's swordsplay speed can easily keep up with Luffy's speed. And that thing about Zoro's endurance is not hypothetical.
 

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Physically Zoro is way stronger. But Luffy is unstoppable now... Trained under a legend for 2 years, Uses haki + DF + Gears Combination. He is really strong now.
 

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IMO what? Zoro's swordsplay speed can easily keep up with Luffy's speed. And that thing about Zoro's endurance is not hypothetical.

No it's is hypothetical, for instance do you think Zoro could have continued through what Luffy had to in the war of the best, heck even before Luffy reach Marineford he went through hell in Impel down. In my opinion Zoro couldn't have endured what Luffy did during those feats.
 

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ok first of all for all the people spewing out ''prove it, prove it!'' ... the OP proved absolutely nothing and you can NOT prove your statement on this question because Luffy and Zoro have in fact never fought, there are feats yes but if you wanna go by those I would say they favour Luffy, even if not by all that much .... but there is no proof to say that Zoro i stronger overall, or stronger physically, if anything since Luffy's attacks are with bare hands he should be stronger

but here is my answer:

I have been a fan of OP for 10 years and in all that time nothing has ever made me think that Zoro might be stronger than Luffy, however I have gotten the feeling that Luffy is superior to Zoro time and time again ... it's up to you how much weight you want to put behind my statement

Zoro is not weak by any stretch of the imagination, nor is Luffy leagues above him

What do I mean by that ''feeling'' ... well ... Luffy is the main character, he will most likely be the pirate king, Luffy is Roger and Shanks, Zoro is Rayleigh and Mihawk (you know what I mean), Luffy is a D, he is the captain and Zoro his first mate, Luffy's father is Dragon and his grandfather is Dragon, ... well you get the general idea
 
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No it's is hypothetical, for instance do you think Zoro could have continued through what Luffy had to in the war of the best, heck even before Luffy reach Marineford he went through hell in Impel down. In my opinion Zoro couldn't have endured what Luffy did during those feats.
Talk about Endurance is not even required. Its a solid fact that Zoro can endure pain better than Luffy. Back at Thriller Bark we got a clear comparison(no interference of any kind) in b/w the two in terms of Endurance. I've explained it in the OP.

ok first of all for all the people spewing out ''prove it, prove it!'' ... the OP proved absolutely nothing and you can NOT prove your statement on this question because Luffy and Zoro have in fact never fought, there are feats yes but if you wanna go by those I would say they favour Luffy, even if not by all that much .... but there is no proof to say that Zoro i stronger overall, or stronger physically, if anything since Luffy's attacks are with bare hands he should be stronger

but here is my answer:

I have been a fan of OP for 10 years and in all that time nothing has ever made me think that Zoro might be stronger than Luffy, however I have gotten the feeling that Luffy is superior to Zoro time and time again ... it's up to you how much weight you want to put behind my statement

Zoro is not weak by any stretch of the imagination, nor is Luffy leagues above him

What do I mean by that ''feeling'' ... well ... Luffy is the main character, he will most likely be the pirate king, Luffy is Roger and Shanks, Zoro is Rayleigh and Mihawk (you know what I mean), Luffy is a D, he is the captain and Zoro his first mate, Luffy's father is Dragon and his grandfather is Dragon, ... well you get the general idea
Yeah The General Idea. Em no

I agree LitzSabr. They are portrayed to be equal(or at the same level at least) so far. If i remember correctly, i think Oda even already stated in the yellow that Zoro was as strong as Luffy
Thanks and yeah, Oda did said that.
 
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Talk about Endurance is not even required. Its a solid fact that Zoro can endure pain better than Luffy. Back at Thriller Bark we got a clear comparison(no interference of any kind) in b/w the two in terms of Endurance. I've explained it in the OP.
ever seen what Luffy went through in Impel Down, and the first thing after that he went into the war and got pretty ****ed up, than he got his ass kicked by the admirals and than his mind broke ... sorry but that to me is far worse than what Kuma did to Zoro

my point? the thriller bark scene (while epic) proves nothing
 
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