Now before you start calling me some zoro fanboy, remember I'm a major Zoro fanboy.
Alright now I'll add most of the fights or things from which we can somehow compare Luffy and Zoro. If you think something's not there, do point out.
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Alright now I'll add most of the fights or things from which we can somehow compare Luffy and Zoro. If you think something's not there, do point out.
1. Arlong park
Zoro couldn't stand up to Arlong only because he received a wound from Mihawk which would leave a normal person incapable to move for six months, yet Zoro was fighting in that condition and defeated Hatchan. If Luffy was in that state, he would have also lost to Arlong too. So based on this feat, you can't say that Zoro is weaker than Luffy.
2. Whiskey Peak
Luffy vs. Zoro: They clashed 2 times head on and both times it was inconclusive implying both are equal. Nothing more, nothing less.
3. Skypiea
Now, Zoro only lost to Enel because he didn't have Haki at that time, Make the zoro as he was in Skypiea immune to Electric current and that he could touch Enel, he would have defeated Enel too. Now you may say that.. what's the deal? Luffy defeated Enel at that point(even when he was weak compared to as he is now), but remember, it was only due to the fact that Luffy was "Enel's weakness". This thing is only applicable for Enel. Luffy isn't Zoro's weakness!. Although the most effective thing against Luffy is a move that cuts him and well Zoro is a Master Swordsman.
You see, sometimes you are better against one person yet weak against another.
Take for example, Alabasta Luffy vs. Alabasta Daz Bones is the same situation. If Luffy had fought fought Daz back in Alabasta, he would have clearly lost. Only Zoro was the person who could fight Daz because Daz has the ability to make blades on his body. There is no way Alabasta Luffy could have countered that. But this does not mean that Zoro is stronger than Luffy, same in the case of Luffy and Enel.
4. Enies Lobby
Now Luffy fought the most strongest, i.e; Lucci and Zoro the second strongest, Kaku.
But the thing is that Zoro struggled way less than Luffy did against Lucci.
First make one thing clear Kaku is considerably stronger than Jyabura,, it's not like they are very close because there was a difference of only 20 doriki.
Now why is that? Its because Doriki is the measurement of physical strength only. It didn't count the fact that Kaku was a Swordsman too.
So we can't measure the exact power of Kaku solely by his doriki, surely its still low than Lucci but considerably above than Jyabura.
So if you people are thinking that if Lucci is 100 so Kaku is 55, based on doriki, then it is wrong.
Now see this. What state is in Luffy after he fought Lucci.
and What of Zoro, still fighting.
What I want to say is that, Zoro would've also ended like Luffy had he fought Lucci. And vice versa, if Luffy had fought Kaku, he would have been moving around like Zoro was.
We can clearly see that Luffy struggled waay more than Zoro, which clearly means that by fighting a stronger opponent, it doesn't prove that he is stronger than Zoro. If Luffy were in the same state as Zoro was after fighting Lucci, then I would have accepted that he is stronger than Zoro, but we see otherwise.
5. Thriller Bark
Luffy wouldn't have been able to turn the tables if he hadn't taken in 100 shadows. Now you may again say that still it was Luffy... But in the match Luffy vs. Zoro, it is insignificant because we won't count 100 shadows with Luffy.
P.S, now this time, in terms of endurance, we got a clear comparison too,
What Luffy tanked(his total fatigue/pain): Fight with Moria+Pain of taking in 100 shadows+Fight with Oars+some beating from 1000 shadow Moria. = Unconcious Luffy at the spot
Now what Zoro tanked: Fight and some beating from Oars+Ryuma fight+Fight with Kuma+(Fight with Moria+Pain of taking in 100 shadows+Fight with Oars+some beating from 1000 shadow Moria) = Concious Zoro after that. He did got unconcious a little later but still he was capable enough to keep his senses together after all that for sometime. If Luffy lost his senses from the pain he endured, giving him Zoro's at that time would've killed him. This thing ultimately puts Zoro above Luffy in terms of Endurance.
@ Sabaody Archipelago
Fight with Kuma and later with an Admiral isn't really comparable because both got stomped easily, though Zoro was already a little injured and some his wounds opened in fight with Pacifista and later Kizaru attacked him first before Kuma, so he couldn't stand up to Kuma like Luffy did.
6. Fishman Island Arc
Luffy delieved a gear second punch to Hyouzou and nothing happened.
While Zoro one shotted a Transformed Hyouzou.
He also one shotted a non transformed Hody underwater, though this feat is incomparable as that(transformed) version of Hody never fought Zoro.
7. Punk Hazard
Luffy had trouble with Monet. I'm not saying that he couldn't have beat her but still he had trouble with her snow attacks but Zoro never had any.
@One Piece Databook Red
In databook red, Zoro is said equal to Luffy and stronger than Sanji.
scanned pages are in French.
The word "Puissance" in French means "power" "strenght/might"
6/6 For Zoro and Luffy (Same). 5/6 For Sanji.
@ One Piece Databook Yellow
There's one more thing I would like to add. Thanks to TBogard for reminding me lol
Again In the databook One Piece Yellow: Grand Element. Oda himself said that Zoro and Luffy has the same high fighting power. This proves that Zoro is not weaker than Luffy as the common idea goes.
Absolute trust in the captain!!
Follow the captain's orders without hesitation - this is the attitude that Zoro always has, because he has faith in Luffy from the bottom of his heart! He has an equally high fighting power as Luffy and when the need arises, he will be the first person to charge forth. Even though he has a devil-like fighting capability, he recognizes Luffy's position as the captain. Moreover, even when Luffy makes the wrong decision, he will give his best to rectify the mistake and never complains. This is Zoro's attitude.
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And arguments like Luffy is stronger because he's going to be the next Pirate king/is captain/more hype/always fight the strongest etc aren't really helpful.
We already had two men equivalent to the previous pirate king and if Luffy is fighting the strongest opponent and stealing the highlight, nothing can be done about that. You gotta give the spotlight to the main character.
So yeah, if you think there's something wrong with it, then do tell.
Zoro couldn't stand up to Arlong only because he received a wound from Mihawk which would leave a normal person incapable to move for six months, yet Zoro was fighting in that condition and defeated Hatchan. If Luffy was in that state, he would have also lost to Arlong too. So based on this feat, you can't say that Zoro is weaker than Luffy.
2. Whiskey Peak
Luffy vs. Zoro: They clashed 2 times head on and both times it was inconclusive implying both are equal. Nothing more, nothing less.
3. Skypiea
Now, Zoro only lost to Enel because he didn't have Haki at that time, Make the zoro as he was in Skypiea immune to Electric current and that he could touch Enel, he would have defeated Enel too. Now you may say that.. what's the deal? Luffy defeated Enel at that point(even when he was weak compared to as he is now), but remember, it was only due to the fact that Luffy was "Enel's weakness". This thing is only applicable for Enel. Luffy isn't Zoro's weakness!. Although the most effective thing against Luffy is a move that cuts him and well Zoro is a Master Swordsman.
You see, sometimes you are better against one person yet weak against another.
Take for example, Alabasta Luffy vs. Alabasta Daz Bones is the same situation. If Luffy had fought fought Daz back in Alabasta, he would have clearly lost. Only Zoro was the person who could fight Daz because Daz has the ability to make blades on his body. There is no way Alabasta Luffy could have countered that. But this does not mean that Zoro is stronger than Luffy, same in the case of Luffy and Enel.
4. Enies Lobby
Now Luffy fought the most strongest, i.e; Lucci and Zoro the second strongest, Kaku.
But the thing is that Zoro struggled way less than Luffy did against Lucci.
First make one thing clear Kaku is considerably stronger than Jyabura,, it's not like they are very close because there was a difference of only 20 doriki.
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So we can't measure the exact power of Kaku solely by his doriki, surely its still low than Lucci but considerably above than Jyabura.
So if you people are thinking that if Lucci is 100 so Kaku is 55, based on doriki, then it is wrong.
Now see this. What state is in Luffy after he fought Lucci.
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What I want to say is that, Zoro would've also ended like Luffy had he fought Lucci. And vice versa, if Luffy had fought Kaku, he would have been moving around like Zoro was.
We can clearly see that Luffy struggled waay more than Zoro, which clearly means that by fighting a stronger opponent, it doesn't prove that he is stronger than Zoro. If Luffy were in the same state as Zoro was after fighting Lucci, then I would have accepted that he is stronger than Zoro, but we see otherwise.
5. Thriller Bark
Luffy wouldn't have been able to turn the tables if he hadn't taken in 100 shadows. Now you may again say that still it was Luffy... But in the match Luffy vs. Zoro, it is insignificant because we won't count 100 shadows with Luffy.
P.S, now this time, in terms of endurance, we got a clear comparison too,
What Luffy tanked(his total fatigue/pain): Fight with Moria+Pain of taking in 100 shadows+Fight with Oars+some beating from 1000 shadow Moria. = Unconcious Luffy at the spot
Now what Zoro tanked: Fight and some beating from Oars+Ryuma fight+Fight with Kuma+(Fight with Moria+Pain of taking in 100 shadows+Fight with Oars+some beating from 1000 shadow Moria) = Concious Zoro after that. He did got unconcious a little later but still he was capable enough to keep his senses together after all that for sometime. If Luffy lost his senses from the pain he endured, giving him Zoro's at that time would've killed him. This thing ultimately puts Zoro above Luffy in terms of Endurance.
@ Sabaody Archipelago
Fight with Kuma and later with an Admiral isn't really comparable because both got stomped easily, though Zoro was already a little injured and some his wounds opened in fight with Pacifista and later Kizaru attacked him first before Kuma, so he couldn't stand up to Kuma like Luffy did.
6. Fishman Island Arc
Luffy delieved a gear second punch to Hyouzou and nothing happened.
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He also one shotted a non transformed Hody underwater, though this feat is incomparable as that(transformed) version of Hody never fought Zoro.
7. Punk Hazard
Luffy had trouble with Monet. I'm not saying that he couldn't have beat her but still he had trouble with her snow attacks but Zoro never had any.
@One Piece Databook Red
In databook red, Zoro is said equal to Luffy and stronger than Sanji.
scanned pages are in French.
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6/6 For Zoro and Luffy (Same). 5/6 For Sanji.
@ One Piece Databook Yellow
There's one more thing I would like to add. Thanks to TBogard for reminding me lol
Again In the databook One Piece Yellow: Grand Element. Oda himself said that Zoro and Luffy has the same high fighting power. This proves that Zoro is not weaker than Luffy as the common idea goes.
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Absolute trust in the captain!!
Follow the captain's orders without hesitation - this is the attitude that Zoro always has, because he has faith in Luffy from the bottom of his heart! He has an equally high fighting power as Luffy and when the need arises, he will be the first person to charge forth. Even though he has a devil-like fighting capability, he recognizes Luffy's position as the captain. Moreover, even when Luffy makes the wrong decision, he will give his best to rectify the mistake and never complains. This is Zoro's attitude.
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And arguments like Luffy is stronger because he's going to be the next Pirate king/is captain/more hype/always fight the strongest etc aren't really helpful.
We already had two men equivalent to the previous pirate king and if Luffy is fighting the strongest opponent and stealing the highlight, nothing can be done about that. You gotta give the spotlight to the main character.
So yeah, if you think there's something wrong with it, then do tell.
Before putting up and argument, please be sure to read the whole thread as it is possible that the arguments you are going to put have already been answered. If you are not satisfied with them even after that, be sure to point out why. Ty
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