Why wasnt Hiruzen scared...

[YourMom]

It doesnt have to come down to stamina
If Hiruzen beats him and this is Old Hiruzen btw
Prime Hiruzen stamina would be way better

Plus you forgot Hiruzen and Enmas taijutsu is way more better than Hashiramas

Plus Hiruzen has over 1000 genjutsus and ninjutsus only seen less than 5 though

Hiruzens Diamond staff>Wood release

Hiruzen didn't beat him for the last time, he died to seal their souls. That's not beating him, he sacrificed himself to seal the souls of two dead bodies. Hashi almost certainly knows a sealing tech to disable Enma from being used if not, he's strong enough to equal Enma in combat (I do believe the first and hashi have equal strength or the first is stronger). Not only is he strong, but he's fast as well. Hiruzen knows over 1000 jutsu, well the senju are also know for know an incredible amount of jutsu, so the number of jutsu known is irrelevant in this case. I'll give you enma as a diamond staff over his wood release because it was shown that his staff was able to break through his wood (lol).

Cos they were his teachers so he knew all their jutsu and how to counter them.

The dumbest point yet. Yeah he would know their jutsu, but as his teachers they would also know his jutsu, weaknesses and strengths so this argument is negated.
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Hiruzen also has shown to be tactical unlike Hashirama
He knows not to use so much chakra to where he would run out 1st

Cause Hashirama is most likely going to be using most ninjutsu(Wood release) while Hiruzen can slowly close in on him for taijutsu combat

As for the pollen Hiruzen can get Enma to turn into a cage to stop the pollen from reaching Hiruzen
Since it completely seals off the ceiling and the ground

Wow. Hashi was a brain washed zombie controlled by oro. Hashi doesn't just use ninjutsu he also is proficient in taijutsu, kenjutsu, and genjutsu and I'm pretty sure he has some knowledge in fuinjutsu. Lastly, turning Enma into a cage won't stop pollen from seeping out seeing as a cage has openings on all sides.

 

[Exaar]

was more of a question cuz people seem to say enma is unstoppable ...and HIRUZEN CAN USE GATES? reaching 8 wont it kill him>?

I doubt he could use full 8gates, Maybe he can use A few like Kakashi can, But it's an invalid argument because we have never seen him do it.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

o.o hashirama didnt even use 1/4 though he had no control on what he was doing.

AND HIRUZEN USED GATES ? WHAT?

Heh i never said Hiruzen had gates, i said what could Hashirama do against it

And since were on the subject Hiruzen most likely had gates(Not saying he did)
Judging from how concern you were about it, id say you dont think Hashirama can beat a gate user

 

[lol99]

was more of a question cuz people seem to say enma is unstoppable ...and HIRUZEN CAN USE GATES? reaching 8 wont it kill him>?



with ease was abit underrating but ...alot of things can stop enma he isnt unstoppable as people seem to say

yup as if having Emma would make hiruzen a winner.

Madaras susanoo can do a far better job at breaking wood and yet madara was beaten

 

[GreyWizard93]

He is the hokage, the protector of the village even if the opponent is stronger than him he has to show no fear and deal with it.

Just to mess up your thread, he was thinking "of all people for him to summon those two"

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quick question, why does hiruzen say he stopped the third one (minato) when he couldnt of been resurrected anyways due to the death reaper seal? aand how was the third box able to appear anyways??

 

[LegendaryAce]

Heh i never said Hiruzen had gates, i said what could Hashirama do against it

And since were on the subject Hiruzen most likely had gates(Not saying he did)
Judging from how concern you were about it, id say you dont think Hashirama can beat a gate user

nah i was shocked when u said he can use 8 gates...

 

[lol99]

quick question, why does hiruzen say he stopped the third one (minato) when he couldnt of been resurrected anyways due to the death reaper seal? aand how was the third box able to appear anyways??

it wasn't Minato. Hiruzen didn't say it was Minato did he? The third coffin appears in anime only.

Hiruzen stopped it

 

[Exaar]

quick question, why does hiruzen say he stopped the third one (minato) when he couldnt of been resurrected anyways due to the death reaper seal? aand how was the third box able to appear anyways??

Because he Nor oro knows why the 3rd coffin Failed.

To hiruzen it looked like he "stopped it".

it wasn't Minato. Hiruzen didn't say it was Minato did he?

Kabuto stated it was Minato when he was explaining Edo tensei to Tobi.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Hiruzen didn't beat him for the last time, he died to seal their souls. That's not beating him, he sacrificed himself to seal the souls of two dead bodies. Hashi almost certainly knows a sealing tech to disable Enma from being used if not, he's strong enough to equal Enma in combat (I do believe the first and hashi have equal strength or the first is stronger). Not only is he strong, but he's fast as well. Hiruzen knows over 1000 jutsu, well the senju are also know for know an incredible amount of jutsu, so the number of jutsu known is irrelevant in this case. I'll give you enma as a diamond staff over his wood release because it was shown that his staff was able to break through his wood (lol).





The dumbest point yet. Yeah he would know their jutsu, but as his teachers they would also know his jutsu, weaknesses and strengths so this argument is negated.
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Wow. Hashi was a brain washed zombie controlled by oro. Hashi doesn't just use ninjutsu he also is proficient in taijutsu, kenjutsu, and genjutsu and I'm pretty sure he has some knowledge in fuinjutsu. Lastly, turning Enma into a cage won't stop pollen from seeping out seeing as a cage has openings on all sides.

In a straight up taijutsu battle Enma>Hashirama also

And the opening bars to the cage are on the side

Plus if Hashirama makes a forest Enma is going to feel right a home(Even Hiruzen has a monkey like stance) Sarutobi Saru meaning monkey
Just a side note

 

[LegendaryAce]

Because he Nor oro knows why the 3rd coffin Failed.

To hiruzen it looked like he "stopped it".



Kabuto stated it was Minato when he was explaining Edo tensei to Tobi.

What never made sense was ...to perfom the edo tensei...u do a ritual yes?..in the ritual thats where oro would know it doesnt work to summon it..in battle wouldnt make sense so it should have worked when he did the ritual rite? or summoning would be pointless

 

[Blaze Release]

quick question, why does hiruzen say he stopped the third one (minato) when he couldnt of been resurrected anyways due to the death reaper seal? aand how was the third box able to appear anyways??

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That is why ^^^

To explain better what happened Hiruzen started with shadow shuriken technique and oro used edo tensei;

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The first coffin came out first because they were summoned according to when they were hokage (hashirama was first). Hiruzen at first thought oro used a coffin to block his shrunken when he thought "To use a summoning as a shield". He finally got was going on when he thought"these summoning are". Notice that the first coffin was already out and so was the second (second hokage). ;

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He then went on to say i must do something about the third one. When the first coffin was revealed he didnt know what was going on. Its after the first was revealed did he get the hint, but at the that time the 2nd coffin was more or less out. Common sense says the last coffin which hasnt surfaced yet, he would try and stop that one because he has the opportunity to, unlike the first 2. Why would he not want to stop the third when he had the opportunity to but more importantly fighting 2 hokages is no small feat, anybody in that situation would try and minimise the work load and fight 2 instead of 3, not hard to wrap around your head.

That coffin failed anyway, but neither oro nor sarutobi knew why. Hiruzen thought he stopped it but he didnt. Anyway he then went on to say "of all people, for him to summon those two" (hashirama and tobirama). This alone should tell you that, he wasnt scared of any coffin, if anything its those 2 he was 'scared' of;

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[yuan of cruxis]

Hiruzen didn't beat him for the last time, he died to seal their souls. That's not beating him, he sacrificed himself to seal the souls of two dead bodies. Hashi almost certainly knows a sealing tech to disable Enma from being used if not, he's strong enough to equal Enma in combat (I do believe the first and hashi have equal strength or the first is stronger). Not only is he strong, but he's fast as well. Hiruzen knows over 1000 jutsu, well the senju are also know for know an incredible amount of jutsu, so the number of jutsu known is irrelevant in this case. I'll give you enma as a diamond staff over his wood release because it was shown that his staff was able to break through his wood (lol).





The dumbest point yet. Yeah he would know their jutsu, but as his teachers they would also know his jutsu, weaknesses and strengths so this argument is negated.
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Wow. Hashi was a brain washed zombie controlled by oro. Hashi doesn't just use ninjutsu he also is proficient in taijutsu, kenjutsu, and genjutsu and I'm pretty sure he has some knowledge in fuinjutsu. Lastly, turning Enma into a cage won't stop pollen from seeping out seeing as a cage has openings on all sides.

What????
Hiruzen killed them like twice in that battle if it wasnt for Edo(And no they do not take hits)

Sealing an Edo is beating an Edo
Quit being a fanboy

 

[YourMom]

In a straight up taijutsu battle Enma>Hashirama also

And the opening bars to the cage are on the side

Plus if Hashirama makes a forest Enma is going to feel right a home(Even Hiruzen has a monkey like stance) Sarutobi Saru meaning monkey
Just a side note

I didn't say hashi was better, I said he had the strength to stand up to Enma do it wouldn't be as OP as you think.

The cage still has openings which is the point. You can't conceal pollen when there are openings for it to escape through.

If hashi makes a Forrest no matter how much Enma would feel at home hashi will still be in an advantage. He can merge with the trees and what not they won't know where hashi is.

 

[LegendaryAce]

In a straight up taijutsu battle Enma>Hashirama also

And the opening bars to the cage are on the side

Plus if Hashirama makes a forest Enma is going to feel right a home(Even Hiruzen has a monkey like stance) Sarutobi Saru meaning monkey
Just a side note

-.-' u forget hashirama can seal or knows a seal to stop enma ..taijutsu won be wise against that... and hiruzen without enma ...mokuton >hiruzen

 

[YourMom]

What????
Hiruzen killed them like twice in that battle if it wasnt for Edo(And no they do not take hits)

Sealing an Edo is beating an Edo
Quit being a fanboy

Sealing their soul along with his is beating them? If you say so dude

Btw I'm not a hashi fan or hiruzen fan. I'm just confused to see why people think hiruzen > hashi when the only proof there is is opinions by characters in the manga when there are also character who say hashi was the strongest.

 

[Unorthodox]

Why can't people shut up?

this ^ hiruzen and hashi is worst then minato and itachi

 

[Dr Dark Knight]

who caresss!!!!!

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Again one of these threads

and also this doesnt proves that Hiruzen>Hashirama

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[yuan of cruxis]

Sealing their soul along with his is beating them? If you say so dude

Well if the victory had to go to someone of the 3 who would you give it too
If they wasnt Edo he couldve just killed them with the paper bombs
Believe what you want but Hiruzen overall was victorious

Or you can call it a draw which means by themselves they have no shot

 

[Beta1]

Kishi make Hiruzen story.

Kishi need to make A Hiruzen Special or something ( Like the Kakashi one )

Kishi hyped Hiruzen so much on the early manga but we never really saw anything special. Yes he defeated the 1st and 2nd at the same time but If that was their full strength they were weak as hell.

I want to see Hiruzen in his damn prime were he was the '' god of shinobi '' Kishi hyped him to be