why was pain arc such a handicap match?

[Detonator99]

How do you explain the buttload amount of intel that Naruto received in the beginning of the fight and towards the middle? Jiraiya was unable to successfully defeat Pain because he lacked intel on a dangerous opponent. Put Naruto in Jiraiya's situation and he would have been shitted on even worse than Jiraiya.

Thats the only part i agree with you

How do you explain the fact that Pain was unable to use his strongest move in the beginning when Naruto arrived. Three boss toads got swung across the field by a much weaker Chibaku Tensei. Imagine the one he used on the village against Naruto?

It doesnt matter that much he was still able to use it afterwards and yet he still decided not to use it at full power becouse it would have hurt the others pains and still even if he used it naruto was already shown to be able to out stand his fullpower shinra tensei thanks to his shadow clones

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just think how he would be able to tank it if he had sage mode.

How do you explain the Kyubii freeing Naruto from CT? Base Naruto alone could never have the strength to escape from CT when Sasuke was able to trap 9 Bijuu in much smaller and weaker CT's.

Irrelevant as i explained in my previous post naruto has rasenhuriken with enough power match pain shibaku tensei he dint realy needed the kyubi.

How do you explain that Minato gave Naruto a 2nd chance at SM and allowed him to fight again with a much weaker Pain that's almost out of chakra?

And as i said in the previous post kurama was trying to keep naruto from fusing with the sage toads and s that naruto could resort to his chakra soo this is actualy a handicap for naruto in that fight.

How do you explain the interference with Hinata that allowed Pain to be distracted when he could have just took Naruto away once he was tied up with chakra rods?

The reason why naruto got pined down by pain and need hinata help him was becouse of the kyubi take that away and naruto would have defeated pain easily.

There was so much help in this fight, only a fool would think Naruto could defeat Pain at that time.

Naruto had more handicaps in that fight then pain himself.

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

1. Shinra Tensei restricted <---one of his most strongest and verstile jutsus.
2. No killing intent <---fanboys yap so much about how "holding back" drastically effects outcomes.
3. massive amounts of intel given to naruto <--- self explanatory
4. kyuubi bailing him out <--- pain defeated SM shortly after his ST decided to work again.
5. minato resealing <--- gave SM naruto a second chance


Yet they say sage mode naruto > six paths of pain, insta kage level.

or my favorite

naruto defeated pain, that makes him kage lvl and above itachi.


even thou itachi casually takes out summoning path in one page, the same as naruto.



and dealt with visual link rinnegans in two panels where it took jiraiya and naruto several pages to accomplish.

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pain arc SM naruto kage lvl? LOL no.

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and don't even get me started on his NE limitations and requirements in pain arc to be activated or run out.

Lemme see, foddachi
-had knowledge of Nagato's jutsu
-fought in a 3-on-1 situation
-fought an immobile opponent
-needed help to escape CT
So, you were saying?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Common sense tells me it's because Pain was stronger.

Also, the Kyuubi was such a huge deal from the beginning till that point. Afterwards, they made him seem like a giant furry, smh.

 

[Gerkak]

without kurama, naruto is not kage lvl in that arc nor would he had won that fight. mangafact

That's your opinion not fact.

 

[Dannie]

and yet he still decided not to use it at full power becouse it would have hurt the others pains and still even if he used it naruto was already shown to be able to out stand his fullpower shinra tensei thanks to his shadow clones

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That's not the same one he used on the village.

Irrelevant as i explained in my previous post naruto has rasenhuriken with enough power match pain shibaku tensei he dint realy needed the kyubi.

Your own speculation, as Naruto's Rasen-Shuriken wasn't strong enough to break CT, as it took Bee, Itachi and Naruto's combined attacks to destroy Nagato's CT, and this was a Bijuudama + a KCM Naruto RS.

And as i said in the previous post kurama was trying to keep naruto from fusing with the sage toads and s that naruto could resort to his chakra soo this is actualy a handicap for naruto in that fight.

Naruto would have still been wrecking havoc if Minato didn't interfere, so yes, it was Minato that helped him and he was also given an extra few minutes of SM, so how exactly is this a handicap again?

The reason why naruto got pined down by pain and need hinata help him was becouse of the kyubi take that away and naruto would have defeated pain easily.

The hell? The reason why Naruto was pinned down was because his SM had run out and Pain's ability had returned. It had nothing to do with the Kyubi, not sure what you're pulling out of your ass. The Kyubi freed him from the rods after Hinata's embarrassing performance, so again, it was thanks to Hinata and the Kyubi that Naruto was freed from the rods.

Naruto had more handicaps in that fight then pain himself.

Let's look at both:

Naruto:
>Received massive intel
>Fully healthy in SM
>3 boss summons
>2 frogs and a slug giving him advice from Jiraiya's fight
>Kyubi interference
>Minato's interference with Kyubi rampage

Pain:
>Unable to use ST for 5 minutes
>Opponent knows about his own abilities
>Not at full health from using ST on village

But yeah, Naruto was definitely more handicapped than Pain..

Honestly, stop the fanboying.

 

[LoZelda101]

Common sense tells me it's because Pain was stronger.

Also, the Kyuubi was such a huge deal from the beginning till that point. Afterwards, they made him seem like a giant furry, smh.

Lol i noticed that too about kurama with exception to when he blitz the bijuus and matched his TBB with theirs.

Lemme see, foddachi
-had knowledge of Nagato's jutsu
-fought in a 3-on-1 situation
-fought an immobile opponent
-needed help to escape CT
So, you were saying?

Lol love how this narutoad soup fanboy changing this into itachi vs nagato cause he knows deep down that pain truly stomp naruto in that evasion arc lol.

"3 on 1 situation"

Ok then by your logic itachi could summon 2 shadow clones and accomplish that same feat in the scans i posted. 1 Problem solved.

It had to be like that or the main character would've got killed.

WSJ would've probably slit his throat if he'd even thought of doing something like that.

Yup. The blind fanboys take advantage of it saying he stomped pain when clearly the plot was set up in a way that pain must lose with no exceptions.

 

[Styles]

Rinnegan technically didn't even being to Pein. :sdo:

At least Kurama and Naruto are a bundle deal.

But without Rinnegan Nagato/Pain would be blind. And he had Rinnegan longer than Naruto had kurama. :sdo:

 

[Detonator99]

Your own speculation, as Naruto's Rasen-Shuriken wasn't strong enough to break CT, as it took Bee, Itachi and Naruto's combined attacks to destroy Nagato's CT, and this was a Bijuudama + a KCM Naruto RS.

re-read the fight naruto specially said that nagato was stronger then before

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And i showed manga scan of the blast radious being large enough to cover the crater and you still denies?... ok then.

Naruto would have still been wrecking havoc if Minato didn't interfere, so yes, it was Minato that helped him and he was also given an extra few minutes of SM, so how exactly is this a handicap again?

Minato had to help naruto thanks to the kyubi i will explain to you in a bit why thats a handicap for naruto.

The hell? The reason why Naruto was pinned down was because his SM had run out and Pain's ability had returned. It had nothing to do with the Kyubi, not sure what you're pulling out of your ass. The Kyubi freed him from the rods after Hinata's embarrassing performance, so again, it was thanks to Hinata and the Kyubi that Naruto was freed from the rods.

No, dont you get it? It was kuramas fault that naruto could not stay on sage mode becouse since she wanted to naruto to use his chakra instead of sage mode she was interrupting the fusion between naruto and the toad sage

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he even admited himself

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Meaning kurama wasnt a help at all he was a handicap it was thanks to him that naruto ended up getting pinned down by pain and needed hinata to save him does them trasnforming in to the kyubi.
If kurama stayed put in his place naruto wouldnt had run out of sage mode and would have defeated pain.

Let's look at both:

Naruto:
>Received massive intel
>Fully healthy in SM
>3 boss summons
>2 frogs and a slug giving him advice from Jiraiya's fight
>Kyubi interference
>Minato's interference with Kyubi rampage

Pain:
>Unable to use ST for 5 minutes
>Opponent knows about his own abilities
>Not at full health from using ST on village

How about we looked also at this way:
Naruto
Naruto had kurama dragging him down
Had to improvise new ways to obtain sage mode.
Had learned used sage mode in only a weak
Had a toad that was an idiot that dint bother to say that the enemy summons could multiply

Pain
had 5 more pains
Had enough time to retrieve his ST
Had Dozens of year to master his rinegan


But yeah, Pain was definitely more handicapped than Naruto..

 

[The Necromancer]

what i'd like to know is why is it a crime for Naruto to be given intel on someone and using that knowledge when Itachi gets called a genius for knowing things he wouldn't have otherwise known if Obito hadn't told him and put them to use.

Can you give me proof of this statement?

 

[lndra]

Naruto didn't surpass Nagato/Pain until Bijuu Mode. Obviously SM wasn't enough realistically, however I think Naruto's performance was well given the restrictions and his abilities.

Obviously Kage Level no matter how you look at it.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Lemme see, foddachi
-had knowledge of Nagato's jutsu
-fought in a 3-on-1 situation
-fought an immobile opponent
-needed help to escape CT
So, you were saying?

If I were you I'd delete this part because you're just supporting OP without even realizing it. You just indirectly stated that Nagato is stronger than Kcm naruto with the aid of perfect jinchuuriki and Uchiha.

 

[ComplexCity]

Seems like Narutos rustles your jimmies dawg

 

[Nick01]

I agree that at that point, Pain was stronger and would've beaten Naruto (the majority of NV would've gotten stomped as well :lol), however a more experienced SM Naruto would've def. beaten him(he noted in the war arc that he was becoming more adept at gathering NE, which means he'd last a lot longer in SM).

Honestly both had some form of handicap, Nagato even more so, though a more experienced SM Naruto would've beaten him. Though once he had Kcm then he'd def be on Pains lvl.

Btw bringing up the little fight with Edo Nagato is pointless, Naruto and Bee weren't serious.

 

[take it easy]

For those who gave me dislikes. Do you really think that Nagato had enough power on his own to beat SM Naruto without Rinnegan ? His biggest feat without Rinnegan was use of fodder c-rank water and wind jutsu.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

For those who gave me dislikes. Do you really think that Nagato had enough power on his own to beat SM Naruto without Rinnegan ? His biggest feat without Rinnegan was use of fodder c-rank water and wind jutsu.

If he did not have rennigan than kishi would have just made him strong using his own justu..a grown up nagato who would of had lots of time training useing his own abilities without being Sick an having uzumaki chakara smh he would have been ridiculously strong...cuz I believe your referring to child nagato useing those c-rank jutsu?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Wow my memes did rustle some jimmies that's why they were deleted....xd

 

[WalksInShadows]

Can you give me proof of this statement?

Madara telling Obito everything he would need to know to successfully pose as him + Obito being Itachi's secret co-conspirator + Itachi knowing bits of Madara's life story and the same forbidden jutsu Obito was taught, despite not having lived in the Madara's time period.

 

[Marin]

Anyone who denies the plot that was on Naruto's side is deluded.

 

[Floydical]

Don't think so hard, any SM user is instantly kage level. We all know Pain was massively nerfed in that fight, but SM Naruto was still Kage level at least. Kage level isn't as mighty as some people give it credit for.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

SM Naruto was nerfed as well with him not able to fuse with maa and paa to use unlimited SM.