why was pain arc such a handicap match?

[LoZelda101]

1. Shinra Tensei restricted <---one of his most strongest and verstile jutsus.
2. No killing intent <---fanboys yap so much about how "holding back" drastically effects outcomes.
3. massive amounts of intel given to naruto <--- self explanatory
4. kyuubi bailing him out <--- pain defeated SM shortly after his ST decided to work again.
5. minato resealing <--- gave SM naruto a second chance


Yet they say sage mode naruto > six paths of pain, insta kage level.

or my favorite

naruto defeated pain, that makes him kage lvl and above itachi.


even thou itachi casually takes out summoning path in one page, the same as naruto.



and dealt with visual link rinnegans in two panels where it took jiraiya and naruto several pages to accomplish.

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pain arc SM naruto kage lvl? LOL no.

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and don't even get me started on his NE limitations and requirements in pain arc to be activated or run out.

 

[Gerkak]

Naruto may not have been on pain's level but he was kage level at the time.Pain wasn't the marker for kage level and neither was itachi

The thing is naruto can never be shown to be strong without kyuubi backing him up, it is an unspoken rule in the manga. His skills even improve when he uses the kyuubi's chakra :lol.

 

[Detonator99]

You are forgetting that if it wasnt the kyubi naruto would have merged with the sage toad witch would allow to naruto to stay on sage mode long enough to defeat pain.So in others words the kyubi was actually of a handicap then a help.


Edit also naruto wouldnt need the kyubi to get him out of the ST his rasenshuriken was powerfull enough to cover 3\4 of ST crater...

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And naruto can create two rasenshuriken at that time.

 

[take it easy]

The thing is naruto can never be shown to be strong without kyuubi backing him up, it is an unspoken rule in the manga. His skills even improve when he uses the kyuubi's chakra :lol.

Pain never had any feats without Rinnegan but people complaints only about Kyuubi.

 

[Dissonant Values]

Rinnegan technically didn't even being to Pein. :sdo:

At least Kurama and Naruto are a bundle deal.

 

[LoZelda101]

Naruto may not have been on pain's level but he was kage level at the time.Pain wasn't the marker for kage level and neither was itachi

The thing is naruto can never be shown to be strong without kyuubi backing him up, it is an unspoken rule in the manga. His skills even improve when he uses the kyuubi's chakra :lol.

without kurama, naruto is not kage lvl in that arc nor would he had won that fight. mangafact

 

[~Ethereal~]

This threads seems like a response to Minamoto's thread. XD

 

[Made in Heaven]

Don't think anyone legit thinks SM Naruto is above Pain. Nagato was gonna kill even KCM Naruto. Probably above even BM Naruto.

 

[Dannie]

Now everybody is attacking that meme why don't you came up with a counter attack of Detonator99's post

His post didn't refute the thread at all, nice try tho

 

[take it easy]

folks, just admit it. sage mode naruto cannot defeat pain without ridiculous limitations.

folks, just admit it. Pain cannot defeat SM Naruto without Rinnegan and pnj. Base Naruto>base Nagato

 

[lord seventh]

His post didn't refute the thread at all, nice try tho

Ofcourse it does...he solo'd the thread

 

[Itachi Edo]

Naruto may not have been on pain's level but he was kage level at the time.Pain wasn't the marker for kage level and neither was itachi

The thing is naruto can never be shown to be strong without kyuubi backing him up, it is an unspoken rule in the manga. His skills even improve when he uses the kyuubi's chakra :lol.

Closed the thread down with the first post!

 

[Dannie]

Ofcourse it does...he solo'd the thread

How do you explain the buttload amount of intel that Naruto received in the beginning of the fight and towards the middle? Jiraiya was unable to successfully defeat Pain because he lacked intel on a dangerous opponent. Put Naruto in Jiraiya's situation and he would have been shitted on even worse than Jiraiya.

How do you explain the fact that Pain was unable to use his strongest move in the beginning when Naruto arrived. Three boss toads got swung across the field by a much weaker Shinra Tensei. Imagine the one he used on the village against Naruto?

How do you explain the Kyubii freeing Naruto from CT? Base Naruto alone could never have the strength to escape from CT when Sasuke was able to trap 9 Bijuu in much smaller and weaker CT's.

How do you explain Minato giving Naruto a 2nd chance at SM and allowing him to fight again against a much weaker Pain that was almost out of chakra?

How do you explain the interference with Hinata that allowed Pain to be distracted when he could have just took Naruto away once he was tied up with chakra rods?

My man, there was so much help in this fight, only a fool would think Naruto could defeat Pain at that time.

 

[BlacLord™]

It had to be like that or the main character would've got killed.

WSJ would've probably slit his throat if he'd even thought of doing something like that.

 

[WalksInShadows]

what i'd like to know is why is it a crime for Naruto to be given intel on someone and using that knowledge when Itachi gets called a genius for knowing things he wouldn't have otherwise known if Obito hadn't told him and put them to use.

 

[Dannie]

Funny how when a thread is made against Naruto, people bring in other characters because of their insecurity

 

[lord seventh]

How do you explain the buttload amount of intel that Naruto received in the beginning of the fight and towards the middle? Jiraiya was unable to successfully defeat Pain because he lacked intel on a dangerous opponent. Put Naruto in Jiraiya's situation and he would have been shitted on even worse than Jiraiya.

How do you explain the fact that Pain was unable to use his strongest move in the beginning when Naruto arrived. Three boss toads got swung across the field but a much weaker Chibaku Tensei. Imagine the one he used on the village against Naruto?

How do you explain the Kyubii freeing Naruto from CT? Base Naruto alone could never have the strength to escape from CT when Sasuke was able to trap 9 Bijuu in much smaller and weaker CT's.

How do you explain that Minato gave Naruto a 2nd chance at SM and allowed him to fight again with a much weaker Pain that's almost out of chakra?

How do you explain the interference with Hinata that allowed Pain to be distracted when he could have just took Naruto away once he was tied up with chakra rods?

My man, there was so much help in this fight, only a fool would think Naruto could defeat Pain at that time.

Ofcourse intel is necessary to defeat pain but it's not like some sort of cheating....It's nagato's fault bcus he is over confident
And those event doesn't even take place if naruto can use sage mode for unlimited time....just think naruto with thousand clones and each with rasenshuriken can destroy CT of nagato who doesn't even posses his own rinnegan

No kurama means no need of minato's help

 

[patrickscott]

Meh name me one character of Naruto Shippuden that couldn't have been better and you'll see why I'm not complaining.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Funny how when a thread is made against Naruto, people bring in other characters because of their insecurity

no one has to be insecure to point out the obvious double standards that exist for Naruto. Other characters who weren't villains got the same kind of benefit at some point, but Naruto is the one who gets crucified for having got it because he's Naruto.

 

[Dannie]

no one has to be insecure to point out the obvious double standards that exist for Naruto. Other characters who weren't villains got the same kind of benefit at some point, but Naruto is the one who gets crucified for having got it because he's Naruto.

Sasuke and Madara get the same type of treatment, it aint just Naruto