[Discussion] Why Tobirama was wrong, and how it could have been done better.

[Tobby17]

Yup, Thats what he is implying. Remember Kabuto said that he made him better than he was in his prime

what??..LOL

Kabuto told Madara that he (Madara) already had a part of Hashirama's power and then says am I wrong? :

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and in the next page Madara looks at his chest :

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Madara already knew.. Madara simply looked at his chest in response to Kabuto's questiong ''am I wrong?''.. I understand it fully, when Hashi saw his chest on Madara's chest, he (Hashi) assumed that Madara did it after he left the village, but Madara said 'You're wrong', he even goes to say that there WERE others in the village who had the same idea.

 

[ANiMUS]

what??..LOL

Kabuto told Madara that he (Madara) already had a part of Hashirama's power and then says am I wrong? :

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and in the next page Madara looks at his chest :

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Madara already knew.. Madara simply looked at his chest in response to Kabuto's questiong ''am I wrong?''.. I understand it fully, when Hashi saw his chest on Madara's chest, he (Hashi) assumed that Madara did it after he left the village, but Madara said 'You're wrong', he even goes to say that there WERE others in the village who had the same idea.

Those are the same scans not different ones. I never said Madara didn't have Hashi DNA, but Kabuto perfected the implanted cells. Creating duplicates of hashirama was something that Madara tried and failed numerous times resulting in the Zetsu (failed experiment)
Madara looked down at the face to see the change Kabuto had done to the cells in his chest.

I could be wrong but I don't believe he stated other in the village

 

[Murasame]

what??..LOL

Kabuto told Madara that he (Madara) already had a part of Hashirama's power and then says am I wrong? :

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and in the next page Madara looks at his chest :

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Madara already knew.. Madara simply looked at his chest in response to Kabuto's questiong ''am I wrong?''.. I understand it fully, when Hashi saw his chest on Madara's chest, he (Hashi) assumed that Madara did it after he left the village, but Madara said 'You're wrong', he even goes to say that there WERE others in the village who had the same idea.

Sorry but "he even goes to say that there WERE others in the village who had the same idea." wasn't even stated in that scan.

 

[Tobby17]

Sorry but "he even goes to say that there WERE others in the village who had the same idea." wasn't even stated in that scan.

he says something similar in the first scan I posted

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Hashirama: Looks like you delved in some nefarious things AFTER leaving the village

Madara: WRONG, an acquaintance of an underling of mine showed me this. it seems there WERE OTHERS who mulled over the same ideas

 

[Murasame]

he says something similar in the first scan I posted

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Hashirama: Looks like you delved in some nefarious things AFTER leaving the village

Madara: WRONG, an acquaintance of an underling of mine showed me this. it seems there WERE OTHERS who mulled over the same ideas

These "others" were Orochimaru and Kabuto.

 

[Tobby17]

These "others" were Orochimaru and Kabuto.

but that's impossible because Madara said it happened BEFORE he left the village, or at least he implied it..

Hashi states Madara must have been doing some nefarious things AFTER he left the village, but Madara said NO, it wasn't after he left the village, and there were others who mulled over such idea too..

It couldn't have been Oro nor Kabuto, they didn't exist at this time

 

[ANiMUS]

but that's impossible because Madara said it happened BEFORE he left the village, or at least he implied it..

Hashi states Madara must have been doing some nefarious things AFTER he left the village, but Madara said NO, it wasn't after he left the village, and there were others who mulled over such idea too..

It couldn't have been Oro nor Kabuto, they didn't exist at this time

No he didn't imply it. Hashi said Madara was the cause of the face being there Madara said it was Kabuto. He wasn't denying when it happened, he was saying he didn't do it. Dude just give it up and end it with dignity.

 

[Tobby17]

No he didn't imply it. Hashi said Madara was the cause of the face being there Madara said it was Kabuto. He wasn't denying when it happened, he was saying he didn't do it. Dude just give it up and end it with dignity.

NO!. Madara was explaining to Hashirama how anybody who could combine Uchiha and Senju power will experience ecstacy, then Hashi said it seemed Madara had been doing sum shyt AFTER he left the village, which Madara denied and said it was an acquaintance who showed it to him and there WERE others who had the same idea.

 

[Murasame]

but that's impossible because Madara said it happened BEFORE he left the village, or at least he implied it..

Hashi states Madara must have been doing some nefarious things AFTER he left the village, but Madara said NO, it wasn't after he left the village, and there were others who mulled over such idea too..

It couldn't have been Oro nor Kabuto, they didn't exist at this time

He never stated such a thing. Please get glasses if you can't read what is said in that scan. No where was it implied either. He didn't say "NO" he said "wrong" and then said an acquaintance of my underling showed me this. Again this underling is Obito and his acquaintance was Kabuto. He then goes on to say there were others who mulled over the same ideas which is Kabuto and maybe Orochimaru since he referenced them before saying that.
You might ask for proof but Kabuto already told him here about himself and Orochimaru

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Orochimaru and Kabuto were going for the same thing as Madara was hence why they were doing some research hence why they're the ones who "mulled over similar ideas"
You're making false assumptions.. please don't make me carry this on any further.

 

[ANiMUS]

NO!. Madara was explaining to Hashirama how anybody who could combine Uchiha and Senju power will experience ecstacy, then Hashi said it seemed Madara had been doing sum shyt AFTER he left the village, which Madara denied and said it was an acquaintance who showed it to him and there WERE others who had the same idea.

Ok, reason with me for a moment. Hashirama was commenting regarding the face, WHY WOULD THE TIMEFRAME MATTER???!!
And who the heck would know about the info written on the EMS section of tablet? Madara was the first to attain EMS and the Only reason Orochimaru learned it is because he is well....Orochimaru.
If there really was somebody of Orochimaru's lvl of intelligence among the Uchiha I'd think they'd get more than a side reference. Your statement leaves too many plot holes.

 

[Murasame]

Ok, reason with me for a moment. Hashirama was commenting regarding the face, WHY WOULD THE TIMEFRAME MATTER???!!
And who the heck would know about the info written on the EMS section of tablet? Madara was the first to attain EMS and the Only reason Orochimaru learned it is because he is well....Orochimaru.

Lol he's spectating the thread he's still going to keep arguing I bet you.

 

[Tobby17]

He never stated such a thing. Please get glasses if you can't read what is said in that scan. No where was it implied either. He didn't say "NO" he said "wrong" and then said an acquaintance of my underling showed me this. Again this underling is Obito and his acquaintance was Kabuto. He then goes on to say there were others who mulled over the same ideas which is Kabuto and maybe Orochimaru since he referenced them before saying that.
You might ask for proof but Kabuto already told him here about himself and Orochimaru

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Orochimaru and Kabuto were going for the same thing as Madara was hence why they were doing some research hence why they're the ones who "mulled over similar ideas"
You're making false assumptions.. please don't make me carry this on any further.

I'm NOT making assumptions, you're gonna have to read the whole convo again from the beginning. the discussion was about two opposing powers being able to work together and Madara gave different explanations, Madara said anyone who can wield senju and uchiha power will know true ecstacy, he then asks Hashi ''which one (explanation), do you think I settled on??''. Hashirama then says, ''looks like you involved yourself in some nefarious activities AFTER you left the Village'', to which Madara answers ''WRONG''.

I mean how obvious could it get??.. if Madara says wrong it didn't get involved in any of this after he left the village, then it was obviously before he left the village. Madara even confirms it by saying ''It seems there were others who mulled over the same idea''..

I don't know how else you can explain this shxt, this has fxck all to do with Oro or Kabuto

 

[ANiMUS]

Lol he's spectating the thread he's still going to keep arguing I bet you.

Yeah, you are right nobody could be this ..... Well anyway if he still doesn't get it he's probably just trolling

I'm NOT making assumptions, you're gonna have to read the whole convo again from the beginning. the discussion was about two opposing powers being able to work together and Madara gave different explanations, Madara said anyone who can wield senju and uchiha power will know true ecstacy, he then asks Hashi ''which one (explanation), do you think I settled on??''. Hashirama then says, ''looks like you involved yourself in some nefarious activities AFTER you left the Village'', to which Madara answers ''WRONG''.

I mean how obvious could it get??.. if Madara says wrong it didn't get involved in any of this after he left the village, then it was obviously before he left the village. Madara even confirms it by saying ''It seems there were others who mulled over the same idea''..

I don't know how else you can explain this shxt, this has fxck all to do with Oro or Kabuto

WRONG as in no I did not put this creepy face on my chest it was someone else's idea.

Ya know what don't listen to us continue on thinking what EVER you want. If you aren't willing to listen to reason there is literally no point to this.

 

[Tobby17]

Ok, reason with me for a moment. Hashirama was commenting regarding the face, WHY WOULD THE TIMEFRAME MATTER???!!
And who the heck would know about the info written on the EMS section of tablet? Madara was the first to attain EMS and the Only reason Orochimaru learned it is because he is well....Orochimaru.
If there really was somebody of Orochimaru's lvl of intelligence among the Uchiha I'd think they'd get more than a side reference. Your statement leaves too many plot holes.

Well it makes absolute sense duh, Hashirama would have never thought that Madara was planning to get both Senju and Uchiha power while he was at the village hence why he said ''Looks like you delved in some rather nefarious activities AFTER you left the village'', but Madara blatantly denies it he said ''WRONG''..

There is NO plot hole, it makes perfect sense.

 

[Murasame]

I'm NOT making assumptions, you're gonna have to read the whole convo again from the beginning. the discussion was about two opposing powers being able to work together and Madara gave different explanations, Madara said anyone who can wield senju and uchiha power will know true ecstacy, he then asks Hashi ''which one (explanation), do you think I settled on??''. Hashirama then says, ''looks like you involved yourself in some nefarious activities AFTER you left the Village'', to which Madara answers ''WRONG''.

I mean how obvious could it get??.. if Madara says wrong it didn't get involved in any of this after he left the village, then it was obviously before he left the village. Madara even confirms it by saying ''It seems there were others who mulled over the same idea''..

I don't know how else you can explain this shxt, this has fxck all to do with Oro or Kabuto

He said "wrong" but read what he said after that kid. Jesus you have crap comprehension. Again it's all explained here.

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He never stated such a thing. Please get glasses if you can't read what is said in that scan. No where was it implied either. He didn't say "NO" he said "wrong" and then said an acquaintance of my underling showed me this. Again this underling is Obito and his acquaintance was Kabuto. He then goes on to say there were others who mulled over the same ideas which is Kabuto and maybe Orochimaru since he referenced them before saying that.
You might ask for proof but Kabuto already told him here about himself and Orochimaru

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Orochimaru and Kabuto were going for the same thing as Madara was hence why they were doing some research hence why they're the ones who "mulled over similar ideas"

It has to do with Oro and Kabuto because they did research over this and because Kabuto was the one who modified his body Lmfao not that hard to grasp. The scan I provided is proof. You have no proof to back you up at all. Read chapter 560-561 XD It's common sense they were the one's who were going after what Madara wanted too since they went through the trouble of researching it hence they're the ones who had the similar ideas. No one else is shown except them.

Yeah, you are right nobody could be this ..... Well anyway if he still doesn't get it he's probably just trolling

He's not trolling. He's just that dense.

 

[Tobby17]

He said "wrong" but read what he said after that kid. Jesus you have crap comprehension. Again it's all explained here.

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He never stated such a thing. Please get glasses if you can't read what is said in that scan. No where was it implied either. He didn't say "NO" he said "wrong" and then said an acquaintance of my underling showed me this. Again this underling is Obito and his acquaintance was Kabuto. He then goes on to say there were others who mulled over the same ideas which is Kabuto and maybe Orochimaru since he referenced them before saying that.
You might ask for proof but Kabuto already told him here about himself and Orochimaru

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Orochimaru and Kabuto were going for the same thing as Madara was hence why they were doing some research hence why they're the ones who "mulled over similar ideas"

It has to do with Oro and Kabuto because they did research over this and because Kabuto was the one who modified his body Lmfao not that hard to grasp. The scan I provided is proof. You have no proof to back you up at all. Read chapter 560-561 XD It's common sense they were the one's who were going after what Madara wanted too since they went through the trouble of researching it hence they're the ones who had the similar ideas. No one else is shown except them.


He's not trolling. He's just that dense.

But how could Kabuto and Orochimaru have showed him, if the FIRST thing Madara does after his talk with Kabuto is stare at his chest

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Kabuto hasn't said anything like ''look I planted Hashirama's cells into your chest'' he said ''despite losing to Hashriama, you gained a portion of Hashirama's strength, am I wrong?''. And what does Madara do after that?, Madara stares at his chest, meaning he (Madara) knew what Kabuto was talking about already..

So how did Kabuto show him again?.. I'm not seeing it

 

[ANiMUS]

But how could Kabuto and Orochimaru have showed him, if the FIRST thing Madara does after his talk with Kabuto is stare at his chest

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Kabuto hasn't said anything like ''look I planted Hashirama's cells into your chest'' he said ''despite losing to Hashriama, you gained a portion of Hashirama's strength, am I wrong?''. And what does Madara do after that?, Madara stares at his chest, meaning he (Madara) knew what Kabuto was talking about already..

So how did Kabuto show him again?.. I'm not seeing it

Question, what did you think Kabuto did to Madara's body when he modified it???
Remember we told you he didn't know the face was there, but when he looked in his shirt it was evident what Kabuto had done.
Kabuto showed Madara the fruits of his and Oro's research when he looked in his shirt.
That is why Madara tested out Mokuton right after seeing the face.

 

[Murasame]

But how could Kabuto and Orochimaru have showed him, if the FIRST thing Madara does after his talk with Kabuto is stare at his chest

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Kabuto hasn't said anything like ''look I planted Hashirama's cells into your chest'' he said ''despite losing to Hashriama, you gained a portion of Hashirama's strength, am I wrong?''. And what does Madara do after that?, Madara stares at his chest, meaning he (Madara) knew what Kabuto was talking about already..

So how did Kabuto show him again?.. I'm not seeing it

Please use spoiler tags when you are posting scans next time so I don't have to put it for you.
Anyways yes I am aware of this. Also I never said Orochimaru showed him just Kabuto.. I only brought up Oro because him and Kabuto did research on what Madara obtained. (hence why these two had similar ideas)
A possible explanation can be what this guy said.

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I never said Madara didn't have Hashi DNA, but Kabuto perfected the implanted cells. Creating duplicates of hashirama was something that Madara tried and failed numerous times resulting in the Zetsu (failed experiment)
Madara looked down at the face to see the change Kabuto had done to the cells in his chest.

Kabuto revived Madara beyond what he was when he was living. If Kabuto had revived him without making any modifications he wouldn't be the Madara we see in that scan. Kabuto had to make those modifications from scratch (research) hence why Madara was surprised.

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He had already done this to himself true and knew about it but Kabuto also sought after this and did some research as well so he did these similar modifications but to a Madara in his prime body. This is how he showed Madara because he never got to try out these powers since he was old. This is another possible explanation. Sorry if it doesn't make sense I kinda presented this badly (mostly because I'm tired of going through this again and again)

anyways if you choose to keep arguing I will just probably drop it as it is since we're going nowhere.

 

[Tobby17]

Question, what did you think Kabuto did to Madara's body when he modified it???
Remember we told you he didn't know the face was there, but when he looked in his shirt it was evident what Kabuto had done.
Kabuto showed Madara the fruits of his and Oro's research when he looked in his shirt.
That is why Madara tested out Mokuton right after seeing the face.

Well here's how I understand it, I think all Kabuto did was revive Madara in a younger body, and Madara being brought back beyond his prime is simply him having all those enhances he already had while alive but in a younger body (Hashi's DNA and Rinnegan). I think that's why Madara immediately knew to check his chest after Kabuto talked about him (Madara) stealing hashi's power. It's like ''you stole hashi's power right??'' .. ''yes that true'' *checks his chest*...

From what I understand, Kabuto didn't show him anything, he just talked about his fight with Hashirama and how Maddy stole Hashi's power. He didn't say anything about how he put Hashirama's face on Madara's chest, yet that was the first thing Madara checked, which leads me to believe Madara knew all along it was there..

anyway, I'm thinking we simply have different explanations of the scan..

 

[ANiMUS]

Well here's how I understand it, I think all Kabuto did was revive Madara in a younger body, and Madara being brought back beyond his prime is simply him having all those enhances he already had while alive but in a younger body (Hashi's DNA and Rinnegan). I think that's why Madara immediately knew to check his chest after Kabuto talked about him (Madara) stealing hashi's power. It's like ''you stole hashi's power right??'' .. ''yes that true'' *checks his chest*...

From what I understand, Kabuto didn't show him anything, he just talked about his fight with Hashirama and how Maddy stole Hashi's power. He didn't say anything about how he put Hashirama's face on Madara's chest, yet that was the first thing Madara checked, which leads me to believe Madara knew all along it was there..

anyway, I'm thinking we simply have different explanations of the scan..

I would ask you why he looked at his chest and then told Kabuto that he had prepared well and asked how much Kabuto actually knew about their plans, but I don't think I'll get a good reply. So just whatever I guess