Why Tobirama is superior to Kisame in Suiton

[Crow Zero]

I agree.. tobirama has swag

 

[adeshina365]

We can't say for sure, but it could certainly be the case.

 

[Fresco]

Guys, is it that hard to just logically assume for a moment? Look, I couldn't care if Kisame can create lakes because I'm sure a 100% Tobirama could easily do the same. What I was doing was comparing two similar jutsu from part 1

@USSJ: No shit. But the fact still remains that a 20%-50% Tobirama was more efficient at completing a B-Rank Suiton technique than Kisame and Kisame was using his own variant. Is there really anything hard to grasp at this deduction? Also the techniques themselves were relative.

Those were part 1 feats. Translate that over to part 2 using logical sense.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You MUST realize something; the fact that there's a chance he may have been capable of performing suiton with ease, such as this, does NOT make him the best suiton user. No where can we assume he knows of water styled jutsu comparable to Kisame.

And here is where I reply to your. . Buddha statue comment. Once more, it seems that through the obvious retconning from part 1 that Tobirama became LESS known for his suiton and was more closely grouped in with S/T users. Minato makes a comment referring to Tobirama when battling Obito. It seems that the focus from him shifted more or less over to this field.

As for this, both using B-rank ninjutsu starts. Shall I share with you exactly what ninjutsu Kisame used when fighting team guy? Bakusui Shōhau requires

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his hands coming together. Yes, THAT simple.

And what rank is it, do you ask?

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That is correct,a B-rank ninjutsu. One he spews and floods a region at only 30% of his chakra, with a single hand seal. It's safe to say that Kisame's part 1 feats should be considered void when he is capable of this. Wish to compare this ninjutsu and the one Tobirama performed?

No, again, we are NOT saying Tobirama is superior to Kisame, what we are in fact saying is that a weak, watered down part 1 Tobirama displayed greater proficiency at Suiton than Kisame at part 1, yet Kisame at part 2 frankly outclasses Tobirama bassed on feats.

We're merely saying that Tobirama jumping up to Kisame's level is a possibility, even Itachi jumped up.

DSM Kabuto can perform Suiton: Suiryūdan with no hand signs :snick:

Which was in part 2.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Oh boy, here we go again... Let the shitstorm being in 3...2...1...

 

[HiddenSound]

Oh wait, false alarm everybody! DSM Kabuto can perform Suiton: Daibakubu (Giant Waterfall) with no hand signs. It's similar to Suiryūdan, plus the wiki said he could use Suiryūdan. Dammit, wiki U_U

 

[Fodder#4]

No, again, we are NOT saying Tobirama is superior to Kisams, what we are in fact saying is that a weak, watered down part 1 Tobirama displayed greater proficiency at Suiton than Kisame, yet Kisame at part 2 frankly outclasses Tobirama bassed on feats.

We're merely saying that Tobirama jumping up to Kisame's level is a possibility, even Itachi jumped up.

Is that the purpose of this thread, "Why Tobirama is to Kisame in Suiton". To demonstrate that Tobirama is most likely a high level suiton user? That's all? I am quite shocked, a very misleading title indeed.

The chances of Tobirama, at this point, displaying such feats is low. Suiton, unless he manages to have his own version of a Great Shark Bullet, will be useless. Since his re mention in Part 2 and the fact of how he is fighting now. We can assume that he may have had a grand grasp in suiton. But his main combat style was S/t jutsu.

 

[Penguin]

His suiton and FTG could be connected.

 

[Fresco]

Is that the purpose of this thread, "Why Tobirama is to Kisame in Suiton". To demonstrate that Tobirama is most likely a high level suiton user? That's all? I am quite shocked, a very misleading title indeed.

The chances of Tobirama, at this point, displaying such feats is low. Suiton, unless he manages to have his own version of a Great Shark Bullet, will be useless. Since his re mention in Part 2 and the fact of how he is fighting now. We can assume that he may have had a grand grasp in suiton. But his main combat style was S/t jutsu.

No, in fact, it should be known that Tobirama is superior to Kisame

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[Nikes]

He controlled him, but all he did was, for lack of a better term "brainwash him", all Jutsu knowledge would be directly from the user themselves.

You've not really countered anything.

He was controlling them. You could dispute it all you want, but the fact of the matter is Oro was controlling them. Of course jutsu knowledge is theirs, Oro wouldn't know all of their OP abilities.

 

[Fodder#4]

No, in fact, it should be known that Tobirama is superior to Kisame

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..... Not falling for this bait.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Again, we're going by part one feats here, Itachi and Mei don't qualify. We're simply inferring that Tobirama by all means, should have some higher scale Suiton techs that put him on Kisame's part 2 level.

Dat Haku. By part one feats, most likely, he was stated to have surpassed Zabuza at such a young age. Well spotted, like I said, Kisame made a huge jump since then, the premise of Tobirama doing the same isn't far-fetched either.

Still, Kisame showed a single suiton technique... ya'll need to relax and wait until it is shown in the manga. Got damn Tobirama fans got me f***ed up.

You managed to quote me before I spotted my own mistake. It took Haku more then one seal, but still my point still stands. Going by part 1 feats Haku > Kisame as far as suiton, so according to this logic; Haku should of been on Kisames level in part 2 then right?

It isn't far-fetched considering it's Tobirama... but Nah, ya'll need to chill.

 

[Fodder#4]

Still, Kisame showed a single suiton technique... ya'll need to relax and wait until it is shown in the manga. Got damn Tobirama fans got me f***ed up.

You managed to quote me before I spotted my own mistake. It took Haku more then one seal, but still my point still stands. Going by part 1 feats Haku > Kisame as far as suiton, so according to this logic; Haku should of been on Kisames level in part 2 then right?

It isn't far-fetched considering it's Tobirama... but Nah, ya'll need to chill.

Thank you, Forbidden... I'm glad to see that you decided to comment on a thread regarding Kisame instead of silently watch it.

 

[Penguin]

Still, Kisame showed a single suiton technique... ya'll need to relax and wait until it is shown in the manga. Got damn Tobirama fans got me f***ed up.

You managed to quote me before I spotted my own mistake. It took Haku more then one seal, but still my point still stands. Going by part 1 feats Haku > Kisame as far as suiton, so according to this logic; Haku should of been on Kisames level in part 2 then right?

It isn't far-fetched considering it's Tobirama... but Nah, ya'll need to chill.

No, Haku was at 100%. Tobirama was barely powered. But there are some Tobirama fans that can get someone edgy.

..... Not falling for this bait.

You fell for it by showing up. RUN!

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Is that the purpose of this thread, "Why Tobirama is to Kisame in Suiton". To demonstrate that Tobirama is most likely a high level suiton user? That's all? I am quite shocked, a very misleading title indeed.

The chances of Tobirama, at this point, displaying such feats is low. Suiton, unless he manages to have his own version of a Great Shark Bullet, will be useless. Since his re mention in Part 2 and the fact of how he is fighting now. We can assume that he may have had a grand grasp in suiton. But his main combat style was S/t jutsu.

Take that up with muh Boi Fresco, I didn't make the thread title. Misleading threads are the best ones :L

One thing that has to be said is that Kishi has seemingly moved his concentration to S/T Jutsu fighting similar to Minato, plus Edo Tensei, that's a high possibility, I'm hoping that even 50 years after his death ANBU were able to associate Tobirama with being a powerful Suiton user still holds weight.

But as I'd the main premise of the thread,Part 1, watered down Tobirama is proven to be more proficient than part 1 Kisame in the practice, it is our hope Kishimoto recognises this.

 

[Fodder#4]

Take that up with muh Boi Fresco, I didn't make the thread. Misleading threads are the best ones :L

One thing that has to be said is that Kishi has seemingly moved his concentration to S/T Jutsu fighting similar to Minato, plus Edo Tensei, that's a high possibility, I'm hoping that even 50 years after his death ANBU were able to associate Tobirama with being a powerful Suiton user still holds weight.

But as I'd the main premise of the thread,Part 1, watered down Tobirama is proven to be more proficient than part 1 Kisame in the practice, it is our hope Kishimoto recognises this.

Anbu, top shinobi, were also amazed suiton could be used without a water source. A LOT of things change. No one is remotely surprised by that in the second half of Naruto. I see what you're trying to do, and you guys need to halt your actions. I'm all fine and dandy when/if Tobirama reveals a suiton of comparable sizes. But, until then. Quiet yourselves.

Such a topic is obvious. Kisame has larger, and more deadly suiton based ninjutsu.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Thank you, Forbidden... I'm glad to see that you decided to comment on a thread regarding Kisame instead of silently watch it.

Man, I saw that misleading ass title and it got me Turnt Up. Normally, I could care less what people have to say.

No, Haku was at 100%. Tobirama was barely powered. But there are some Tobirama fans that can get someone edgy.

Excuses. Regardless if Haku was at 100% (and was holding back) ..You're trying to compare a jounin to an "elite" senju Hokage. The feats Tobirama and Hashirama displayed in part 1 easily still puts them on jounin level. So try again.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

He was controlling them. You could dispute it all you want, but the fact of the matter is Oro was controlling them. Of course jutsu knowledge is theirs, Oro wouldn't know all of their OP abilities.

You're trying to dispute this point which frankly holds zero merit, trying to argue that Orochimaru somehow knows the techniques of a man dead over for over 50 years.

Still, Kisame showed a single suiton technique... ya'll need to relax and wait until it is shown in the manga. Got damn Tobirama fans got me f***ed up.

You managed to quote me before I spotted my own mistake. It took Haku more then one seal, but still my point still stands. Going by part 1 feats Haku > Kisame as far as suiton, so according to this logic; Haku should of been on Kisames level in part 2 then right?

It isn't far-fetched considering it's Tobirama... but Nah, ya'll need to chill.

And Tobirama showed two, I'm just Saiyan.

Gotcha. And no, we'd need to see just how much Haku would've advanced to say, though like I said, he was exceptional.

Exactly, we're just making a simple thread here.

So many jimmies have been rustled by one thread.

 

[Penguin]

Man, I saw that misleading ass title and it got me Turnt Up. Normally, I could care less what people have to say.



Excuses. Regardless if Haku was at 100% (and was holding back) ..You're trying to compare a jounin to an "elite" senju Hokage. The feats Tobirama and Hashirama displayed in part 1 easily still puts them on jounin level. So try again.

Yes, part 1 edo Tobirama was Jounin level. So was Hashirama. Look what happened to Hashirama. Now watch what happens to Tobirama in 3 hours (when the manga comes out). It won't be as great as Hashirama's power up, but compare able.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

We'll see, but so far, Kisamae without water>Tobirama without water.