Why Tobirama is superior to Kisame in Suiton

[Nikes]

I disagree.

Kisame's jutsu is MASSIVE.

Tobirama just performs them faster.

 

[NArutouzzi]

agreed, he can create water without any water source needed and his techs are just on a higher level.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

lawd tobirama > minato and kisame at the same time.

trolololol!

 

[Nikes]

That's not exactly what we're saying, Tobirama at a watered down (Pardon the pun.) state has displayed superior proficiency than Kisame acting on the same level of Jutsu.

For some vague indication of just how watered down he must've been, this is all I can offer

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The fact that Hashirama at being revived at the same technique was holding back something as spectacular as this heavily implies that the same (Albeit in a lesser state.) can be argued for Tobirama. Not to mention we're going by Part one feats here.

That's not a good point.

Orochimaru had some control over Hashirama at that point.

 

[RNITBmsage]

agreed, he can create water without any water source needed and his techs are just on a higher level.

out of his mouth ? weak
out of thin air ? post a scan or shhhhhhh

 

[Wave.]

TheAncientCenturion is gonna rage when he sees this XD

OT: That is impressive but Kisame's techs are still on a another level, I do think Tobirama will be>Kisame in Suiton once he shows feats though.

 

[Transcendence]

That's not a good point.

Orochimaru had some control over Hashirama at that point.

How is that relevant to Tobirama? They were weakened and he was still able to do that jutsu with 1 seal. Then we saw what a non-weakened, living Hashirama could do (VoTE), and then apply it to Tobirama under the same context.

 

[Penguin]

I disagree.

Kisame's jutsu is MASSIVE.

Tobirama just performs them faster.

*effectively

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

That's not a good point.

Orochimaru had some control over Hashirama at that point.

He controlled him, but all he did was, for lack of a better term "brainwash him", all Jutsu knowledge would be directly from the user themselves.

You've not really countered anything.

 

[Parrish]

TheAncientCenturion is gonna rage when he sees this XD

OT: That is impressive but Kisame's techs are still on a another level, I do think Tobirama will be>Kisame in Suiton once he shows feats though.

He just can't accept the Lawd in his life for some reason.

 

[GrayParadise]

You really shouldn't have to explain this to people who choose not to believe it.

 

[Silverblade]

agreed, he can create water without any water source needed and his techs are just on a higher level.

The fail in this thread is strong.

Yamato can create water without a source

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[Kαmi]

Kisame had wide-scale jutsus while Tobirama seems to be able to perform some of the same jutsus as Kisame, faster than Kisame. I don't think this says much for either side really since Kisame was shown using a large scale jutsu (Water Dome) with one hand seal I believe. Personally, Tobirama needs some Suiton feats since that was the first thing he was hyped about.

 

[Wave.]

He just can't accept the Lawd in his life for some reason.

Such a poor soul he is

I wonder what he'll do once Tobirama actually proves that he's superior in Suiton XD

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Such a poor soul he is

I wonder what he'll do once Tobirama actually proves that he's superior in Suiton XD

He just can't accept the Lawd in his life for some reason.

Only true Tobirama Boi's were in the original church. Isn't that right, Fresco?

 

[Parrish]

Such a poor soul he is

I wonder what he'll do once Tobirama actually proves that he's superior in Suiton XD

He'll be on Suicide watch.

Only true Tobirama Boi's were in the original church. Isn't that right, Fresco?

I was gone for 4 months, so I couldn't join.

 

[Wave.]

Only true Tobirama Boi's were in the original church. Isn't that right, Fresco?

Hey, I defended him against my second fave :|

If that doesn't prove my loyalty then I don't know what does u_u

 

[Fodder#4]

That's not exactly what we're saying, Tobirama at a watered down (Pardon the pun.) state has displayed superior proficiency than Kisame acting on the same level of Jutsu.

For some vague indication of just how watered down he must've been, this is all I can offer

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The fact that Hashirama at being revived at the same technique was holding back something as spectacular as this heavily implies that the same (Albeit in a lesser state.) can be argued for Tobirama. Not to mention we're going by Part one feats here.

You MUST realize something; the fact that there's a chance he may have been capable of performing suiton with ease, such as this, does NOT make him the best suiton user. No where can we assume he knows of water styled jutsu comparable to Kisame.

And here is where I reply to your. . Buddha statue comment. Once more, it seems that through the obvious retconning from part 1 that Tobirama became LESS known for his suiton and was more closely grouped in with S/T users. Minato makes a comment referring to Tobirama when battling Obito. It seems that the focus from him shifted more or less over to this field.

As for this, both using B-rank ninjutsu starts. Shall I share with you exactly what ninjutsu Kisame used when fighting team guy? Bakusui Shōhau requires

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his hands coming together. Yes, THAT simple.

And what rank is it, do you ask?

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That is correct,a B-rank ninjutsu. One he spews and floods a region at only 30% of his chakra, with a single hand seal. It's safe to say that Kisame's part 1 feats should be considered void when he is capable of this. Wish to compare this ninjutsu and the one Tobirama performed?

 

[HiddenSound]

DSM Kabuto can perform Suiton: Suiryūdan with no hand signs :snick:

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

@ Kaaant... I'm disappointed in you :dunno:

I guess Mei and Itachi are more proficient with suiton then Kisame as well :| Shit... I guess Haku > Everybody in suiton; Seeing as his B-Rank

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didn't only take one seal, but one hand as well.

Again, we're going by part one feats here, Itachi and Mei don't qualify. We're simply inferring that Tobirama by all means, should have some higher scale Suiton techs that put him on Kisame's part 2 level.

Dat Haku. By part one feats, most likely, he was stated to have surpassed Zabuza at such a young age. Well spotted, like I said, Kisame made a huge jump since then, the premise of Tobirama doing the same isn't far-fetched either.