Why these 6 paths are weaker

[Cyborg]

i see it as this, with both eyes they can do more jutsus from both eyes .....plus with the rinnegan and sharingan they may be capable of performin the izagani ....but i think tht them bn jinchuriiki only means they have more techniques and w.e....idk maybe we'll jus have to wait n see instead of jumpin to conclusions....i do kno tht they will be hard to beat regardless wat ppl may think

Was hoping somebody would say that so i could prove them wrong. Izanagi was a jutsu invented by the SO6P's, and he only had rinnegan, no sharingan

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Oh yeah one more thing. Madara uses only 1 rinnegan in my opinion because he does'nt want to lose the teleportation tech his sharingan gives him.

i've said that same thing in other threads i totally agree. thats his biggest advantage and i dont think two rinnegan could make up for losing it. good call!

 

[Cyborg]

that was never said that they were POWERED by them. now they are made and have thier own force and they got made with that hashirama clone madara had in his hideout and when he fused yamato to it he said zetsu got stronger but in the war his summoned the statue to fight without the hashirama clone and yamato which means that what they are fused to to is different then gedo mazo

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[MuDfAcToRy25]

Was hoping somebody would say that so i could prove them wrong. Izanagi was a jutsu invented by the SO6P's, and he only had rinnegan, no sharingan

well now i have to dissagree there. we are going off of only stories and legends of so6p. we dont know for sure what his eyes were. they were more like rinnegan than sharingan tho but BOTH came from him so he had powers of BOTH in HIS eyes. pics of the 10 tails show a rinnegan-type eye with the sharingan combined in it (the comma things i cant remember their name right this sec tamoe or something) i tend to think the SO6P would have had eyes like that since he was its jinchuuriki dont you??

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

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right READ it. it says "MAKE" not power, it never implies that he needs to keep the bijuu in gedo mazo for the things he already created to work. it just took a lot of chakra to create that many clones now that they are created its done.

 

[Saberwulf]

i luv of all the little powers of rinnegan hopefully these guyz wont fail and stick together at all timez
but its great how madara put a sharingan too cuz now they will have eh i dont know
all that MS crap sasuke does

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

Oh yeah one more thing. Madara uses only 1 rinnegan in my opinion because he does'nt want to lose the teleportation tech his sharingan gives him.

probably, but he also needs his sharingan to cast infinite tsukyomi on the moon after becoming the 10tails jinchuriki. as far as we've seen rinnegan hasn't casted genjutsu out of it like sharingan has, not saying it can't but so far it hasn't.

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"There was a lot of risk involved...I had to use a lot of the tailed beast's chakra within the statue to make this many"

he used the chakra from the sealed beasts to make them but they are still in the statue in a weakened form, the zetsu army won't disappear if he put the beasts in the old hosts, he probably won't do that anyway because then they'd have to reseal them all over again to make the 10tails

i luv of all the little powers of rinnegan hopefully these guyz wont fail and stick together at all timez
but its great how madara put a sharingan too cuz now they will have eh i dont know
all that MS crap sasuke does

i don't think the new 6 paths have MS, they are probably just spare sharingan from his lab, unless he had some with unique powers like shisui had they probably won't be anything special

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

probably, but he also needs his sharingan to cast infinite tsukyomi on the moon after becoming the 10tails jinchuriki. as far as we've seen rinnegan hasn't casted genjutsu out of it like sharingan has, not saying it can't but so far it hasn't.



"There was a lot of risk involved...I had to use a lot of the tailed beast's chakra within the statue to make this many"

he used the chakra from the sealed beasts to make them but they are still in the statue in a weakened form, the zetsu army won't disappear if he put the beasts in the old hosts, he probably won't do that anyway because then they'd have to reseal them all over again to make the 10tails

you may be right that he might not do due to the problems of resealing. but i still stand by my statement that its possible lol. what will probly actually happen is that they will still be able to do everything they could when they were host even tho the bijuu got removed just like nejis dad still has byakugan despite his curse marke sealing it when he died and nagato still having rinnegan even tho madara removed them and has one in HIS OWN FACE!!!

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

probably, but he also needs his sharingan to cast infinite tsukyomi on the moon after becoming the 10tails jinchuriki. as far as we've seen rinnegan hasn't casted genjutsu out of it like sharingan has, not saying it can't but so far it hasn't.



"There was a lot of risk involved...I had to use a lot of the tailed beast's chakra within the statue to make this many"

he used the chakra from the sealed beasts to make them but they are still in the statue in a weakened form, the zetsu army won't disappear if he put the beasts in the old hosts, he probably won't do that anyway because then they'd have to reseal them all over again to make the 10tails



i don't think the new 6 paths have MS, they are probably just spare sharingan from his lab, unless he had some with unique powers like shisui had they probably won't be anything special

they get their eyes from the Pain Rikudou Jutsu not from having them implanted they only have those eyes because Madara used a tech that links their eyes with his......the same tech Nagato used to create Pain thats why Jiraiya was like "how do this many people have the rinnegan?" they didnt really they were just get copied eyes from the jutsu user. whatever eyes he has they get. but if they jutsu gets undone they wouldnt still have the sharingan and rinnegan. there are only two rinnegan eyes known to be in existence right now

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

well now i have to dissagree there. we are going off of only stories and legends of so6p. we dont know for sure what his eyes were. they were more like rinnegan than sharingan tho but BOTH came from him so he had powers of BOTH in HIS eyes. pics of the 10 tails show a rinnegan-type eye with the sharingan combined in it (the comma things i cant remember their name right this sec tamoe or something) i tend to think the SO6P would have had eyes like that since he was its jinchuuriki dont you??

also the SO6P's older son got the "eyes of the sage" and they became known as the Uchiha clan so obviously the sharingan had to be in the mix with the SO6P's eyes right?

 

[Cyborg]

well now i have to dissagree there. we are going off of only stories and legends of so6p. we dont know for sure what his eyes were. they were more like rinnegan than sharingan tho but BOTH came from him so he had powers of BOTH in HIS eyes. pics of the 10 tails show a rinnegan-type eye with the sharingan combined in it (the comma things i cant remember their name right this sec tamoe or something) i tend to think the SO6P would have had eyes like that since he was its jinchuuriki dont you??

No, he had the rinnegan, both Jiraiya and Madara said this, the sharingan was probably invented by him when he gave half his power to his elder son.(we don't know the exact nature or extent of the rikkudo sennin's power).

right READ it. it says "MAKE" not power, it never implies that he needs to keep the bijuu in gedo mazo for the things he already created to work. it just took a lot of chakra to create that many clones now that they are created its done.

That's what i meant, with a part of the bijjus chakra consumed i doubt the jinchurikis now would get any

probably, but he also needs his sharingan to cast infinite tsukyomi on the moon after becoming the 10tails jinchuriki. as far as we've seen rinnegan hasn't casted genjutsu out of it like sharingan has, not saying it can't but so far it hasn't.



"There was a lot of risk involved...I had to use a lot of the tailed beast's chakra within the statue to make this many"

he used the chakra from the sealed beasts to make them but they are still in the statue in a weakened form, the zetsu army won't disappear if he put the beasts in the old hosts, he probably won't do that anyway because then they'd have to reseal them all over again to make the 10tails



i don't think the new 6 paths have MS, they are probably just spare sharingan from his lab, unless he had some with unique powers like shisui had they probably won't be anything special

I still think the 6 paths have the greatest strength with both eyes as rinnegans.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

No, he had the rinnegan, both Jiraiya and Madara said this, the sharingan was probably invented by him when he gave half his power to his elder son.(we don't know the exact nature or extent of the rikkudo sennin's power).

That's what i meant, with a part of the bijjus chakra consumed i doubt the jinchurikis now would get any


I still think the 6 paths have the greatest strength with both eyes as rinnegans.

well again we go back to the fact that everything we hear about the SO6P is legend and subject to misinformation. the 10-bijuu had rinnegan eyes with 6 of the sharingan tamoe and the SO6P was its jinchuuriki. i think its the highest probability that his eyes were like that which would still be considered rinnegan over sharingan but they would've been capable of much more than the current incarnation of the rinnegan. you see what i'm saying?

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Also people keep talking about the bijuu's chakra being "used up" or depleted by Madara creating his army but i'm sure he didnt do it all at once and i think the bijuu have probably recovered their chakra by now. Whenever Kakashi or someone uses up their chakra is doesnt STAY gone, it replenishes and i'm pretty sure it works the same way with the bijuu. After all the kyuubi had half its chakra sealed away by Minato and that made it pretty small and managable butnow the kyuubi is huge again so i'm pretty sure its regained that chakra. how else would it be full-size now?

 

[Cyborg]

well again we go back to the fact that everything we hear about the SO6P is legend and subject to misinformation. the 10-bijuu had rinnegan eyes with 6 of the sharingan tamoe and the SO6P was its jinchuuriki. i think its the highest probability that his eyes were like that which would still be considered rinnegan over sharingan but they would've been capable of much more than the current incarnation of the rinnegan. you see what i'm saying?

There is no doubt that the sage's rinnegan was by far stronger than the current rinnegan/s we have seen being used. However, like i said since 2 different people(jman nd madara) mentioned him having the rinnegan the likelihood of this being true is increased. Naturally, when someone has extraordinary powers(like creating the effin moon) ppl will generations later say that the person was only a legend. But i think the stories of the Sage as told in the manga are true. If not, then why would the joint shinobi army be so worried about Madara's moonseye plan, which is based almost entirely on information that was passed down by the sage.

 

[nagato2]

I'm pretty sure it does. But the real question is how do you prove it does'nt?
Like shinra tensei is 360 degrees for the god realm with 2 rinnegans, my guess is it'll only be 180 degrees with one rinnegan.
Also, the SO6P was the strongest ninja ever, he only had rinnegan eyes, not sharingan.

just because they dont have two rinnegan doesnt mean they are weaker,the real question is how do you prove it is since you are the one who is saying that without two rinnegan they are weaker

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

There is no doubt that the sage's rinnegan was by far stronger than the current rinnegan/s we have seen being used. However, like i said since 2 different people(jman nd madara) mentioned him having the rinnegan the likelihood of this being true is increased. Naturally, when someone has extraordinary powers(like creating the effin moon) ppl will generations later say that the person was only a legend. But i think the stories of the Sage as told in the manga are true. If not, then why would the joint shinobi army be so worried about Madara's moonseye plan, which is based almost entirely on information that was passed down by the sage.

OK let me try to explain a different way..... I'm not saying SO6P DIDN'T have rinnegan but noone has ever SEEN it. And since the sharingan evolved directly from it and people thought the multi-ringed eye of the rinnegan was a myth and Kakashi said Nagato's was a mutation.....i think that the original rinnegan had a much different appearance, like that of the 10-tails' eye and the mask that Madara is wearing now. 3 more tamoe and it is the eye of the 10-tails which i believe is the original form of the rinnegan since bothe the multi-ring eye and the sharingan came directlyfrom the SO6P. its like he split the powers of the 2 and gave one to the uchiha clan and one to the senju clan to whom the uzumaki clan is related which is how nagato was able to awaken it.

 

[Solarx8]

well the rinnegan with the sharingan equals a killer combo.

Sharingan allows the user to see the flow of chakra and see if someone is in a genjutsu. It also allows the user to see the next attack or moviment of an opponent and counter/dodge without any wasted moviment. Along with the genjutsu it can give, a foe can have pretty rough time. Especially if Madara is controlling them..

The rinnegan allows the user to use all 6 forms of chakra nature. They are able to use all the six paths which Madara has already done and he can also use the Outer Path. It can also lets them see chakra.

In all i say Madara's paths of pain are gonna be difficult to beat with the combined abilities of both the sharingan and the rinnegan. Not to mention Madara can also use the the Demonic Statue of the outer path along with Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

they get their eyes from the Pain Rikudou Jutsu not from having them implanted they only have those eyes because Madara used a tech that links their eyes with his......the same tech Nagato used to create Pain thats why Jiraiya was like "how do this many people have the rinnegan?" they didnt really they were just get copied eyes from the jutsu user. whatever eyes he has they get. but if they jutsu gets undone they wouldnt still have the sharingan and rinnegan. there are only two rinnegan eyes known to be in existence right now

idk if you misquoted or what but i never said anything about that. i said about they won't have MS but just normal 3tomoes from madara's stash, the rinnegans are made the same way nagato's paths and summons had rinnegan but its definatly a transformation not pulling more eyes out of nowhere.

@cyborg, possibly, i see the argument for it since rinnegan>sharingan you could see why you'd want 2 of the original eye rather then 1 and the desended version (sharingan) but i don't think the powers are limited by amount of eyes, if they have 1 they should be able to access all of the path's power

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

well the rinnegan with the sharingan equals a killer combo.

Sharingan allows the user to see the flow of chakra and see if someone is in a genjutsu. It also allows the user to see the next attack or moviment of an opponent and counter/dodge without any wasted moviment. Along with the genjutsu it can give, a foe can have pretty rough time. Especially if Madara is controlling them..

The rinnegan allows the user to use all 6 forms of chakra nature. They are able to use all the six paths which Madara has already done and he can also use the Outer Path. It can also lets them see chakra.

In all i say Madara's paths of pain are gonna be difficult to beat with the combined abilities of both the sharingan and the rinnegan. Not to mention Madara can also use the the Demonic Statue of the outer path along with Chibaku Tensei.

All that is true but i dont think he can use chibaku tensei due to the one major weakness Madara has when using this technique that Nagato didnt have. Nagato had ungodly amounts of chakra. Madara is "a shell of his former self" so i tend to think that his chakra levels are not very high right now. thats why he want to be a jinchuuriki in the first place it because he said he needs the chakra so i tend to think what he can do with this tech is going to be very limited by Madaras chakra levels.

 

[Cyborg]

OK let me try to explain a different way..... I'm not saying SO6P DIDN'T have rinnegan but noone has ever SEEN it. And since the sharingan evolved directly from it and people thought the multi-ringed eye of the rinnegan was a myth and Kakashi said Nagato's was a mutation.....i think that the original rinnegan had a much different appearance, like that of the 10-tails' eye and the mask that Madara is wearing now. 3 more tamoe and it is the eye of the 10-tails which i believe is the original form of the rinnegan since bothe the multi-ring eye and the sharingan came directlyfrom the SO6P. its like he split the powers of the 2 and gave one to the uchiha clan and one to the senju clan to whom the uzumaki clan is related which is how nagato was able to awaken it.

Exactly. He split his powers to the uchiha and senju. And since the original, himself had rinnegan, i say the more eyes of that the better.

Someone just said that the sharingan can detect chakra, well so can the rinnegan. My guess is , if the rinnegan is utilised in every way possible, with full knowledge of all its abilities, it would have all the powers of sharingan, MS and EMS and then some. Space time jutsus i don't know. It probably depends if the ones Madara uses are based on his sharingan or were acquired by some other means like the 4th's.