Why the uchihas F**ked up

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When You think about it the Uchihas had a noter choice that they never took,they could have left the village and started a new village in any other countries that do not have villages The Dynamos would have paid for their services anywhere.
 

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When You think about it the Uchihas had a noter choice that they never took,they could have left the village and started a new village in any other countries that do not have villages The Dynamos would have paid for their services anywhere.
basically i agree with you, i never would have shared with the senjus the same city.
with switching the city there are two problems:
for the uchihas it would have looked like running away, their pride would have been hurt. they felt themselves as a part of konoha, so they had to abandon their home to avoid the conflict.
would you let one of your two strongest clans switch sides? probably the result would have been the same like it was when they planned their coup d'?tat. they would've weakened konoha/strengthen another country, which was unacceptable for the elders.
when you think about it they already had been imprisoned by being forced to live in their own ghetto.
 

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Ok ive been thinking since rei said something what would i do if my brother killed my entire family... and no matter how much i thought about it i kept thinking i could never kill him, even though we dont get on well as it is, so yeh i stand by my beliefs about the uchiha
 

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Ok ive been thinking since rei said something what would i do if my brother killed my entire family... and no matter how much i thought about it i kept thinking i could never kill him, even though we dont get on well as it is, so yeh i stand by my beliefs about the uchiha


Maybe At The Age You Are Now No But If You Seen That At A Young Age I Sure You Would Have Killed Him. Think About It There Was'nt No Parents There To Raise Sasuke. So Of Course He'll Act Like That Some Like That Would Drive Anyone To Insanity . Forced A Teenager To Kill His Parents Family Friends GirlFriend And Almost His Little Brother. He Betrayed His Own Clan And Was Kicced Out His Own Village. Also Disgrace His Reputation The Most Disturbing Part Is How He Killed His GirlFriend , Parents, Family, & Friends The People Most Close To You The People You Trust Laugh'd Crying And Enjoyed Your Time With. If Danzou Was Doing The Right Thing Then He Wouldn't Have To Be A Secret Would It???
 

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Maybe At The Age You Are Now No But If You Seen That At A Young Age I Sure You Would Have Killed Him. Think About It There Was'nt No Parents There To Raise Sasuke. So Of Course He'll Act Like That Some Like That Would Drive Anyone To Insanity . Forced A Teenager To Kill His Parents Family Friends GirlFriend And Almost His Little Brother. He Betrayed His Own Clan And Was Kicced Out His Own Village. Also Disgrace His Reputation The Most Disturbing Part Is How He Killed His GirlFriend , Parents, Family, & Friends The People Most Close To You The People You Trust Laugh'd Crying And Enjoyed Your Time With. If Danzou Was Doing The Right Thing Then He Wouldn't Have To Be A Secret Would It???
Yeh well my family has always been ****ed up, ive never been close to my mother in that way, i havnt seen my farther in 10 years, im the youngest of 4 boys and have a younger sister, so i cant relate to the exact situation but i still dont think i could ever kill my brothers, even after all the shit thats happened in my family
 

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The Uchiha fear for coming in second place is not new it is found in many cultures and mythologies Uranus lock away His children the Titans for fear of one of them taking over His Rein, Cronus ate His children for fear of one of them taking over His Rein, Zeus ate one of the Titans female for fear of Her child would take over, the child that sprang from His forehead was Athena. All this was motivated by fear of losing control, The same drives the Uchiha, the fear of not being the number one player in the game so they eat each other,destroy each other. How long before Madara and Sasuke fight over the ultimate power of the Uchiha?
 

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The Uchiha fear for coming in second place is not new it is found in many cultures and mythologies Uranus lock away His children the Titans for fear of one of them taking over His Rein, Cronus ate His children for fear of one of them taking over His Rein, Zeus ate one of the Titans female for fear of Her child would take over, the child that sprang from His forehead was Athena. All this was motivated by fear of losing control, The same drives the Uchiha, the fear of not being the number one player in the game so they eat each other,destroy each other. How long before Madara and Sasuke fight over the ultimate power of the Uchiha?
They dont want to be number 1 they just want everything there way...

Too childish apart from itachi..
 

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Well, Pervy Sage power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Itachi like you said is the one exception, But even Him felt that dark power in Him. Perhaps it is destiny for not ever having an Uchiha ever again to walk on the planet again. The price is just too high to pay.
 

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Well, Pervy Sage power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Itachi like you said is the one exception, But even Him felt that dark power in Him. Perhaps it is destiny for not ever having an Uchiha ever again to walk on the planet again. The price is just too high to pay.
Power doesnt currupt, the use of power is the curruption, look how powerful naruto is and hes not currupted... the same with killer bee...
 

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Did not Machiavelli say that His Prince would not get corrupt?Yet Caesar Borgia did get corrupted. The End Dose not justify the means. Or the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even a just man can be corrupted under the right conditions only keeping an eye on one self and believing in something greater than Himself can keep Him on the path of goodness.
 

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Did not Machiavelli say that His Prince would not get corrupt?Yet Caesar Borgia did get corrupted. The End Dose not justify the means. Or the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even a just man can be corrupted under the right conditions only keeping an eye on one self and believing in something greater than Himself can keep Him on the path of goodness.
Power doesnt currupt....

Like i said before naruto has one of the greatest powers in the world, the kyuubi, on top of his other powers, yet he walks the path of good and peice without curruption...

The uchihas are just a bunch of greedy bastards... can i not just have this view? lol

Also in the end its just a manga not reallity so yano lol
 

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What makes a man? Is it his birth? Or the choices He makes in life? How is evil Naruto? is it the boy doing pranks to get attention? Yes, in a way that how it started, Naruto wanted to be acknowledge by all so at first He did pranks and jokes at other people expense, this would have lead to the Evil Naruto that now He must face, only incidents with Iruka, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi change His life, learning that one self is only a part of life and that people are a greater part of our self. The same happen to Sasuke but He choice was power for its own sake, revenge, and that seeking of revenge and the power to do it corrupted Him.
 

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@The Pervy Sage & others who have committed the act of contradictions/false facts: First off Pervy Sage, you are incorrect with your statement of "the curse of the uchiha is revenge as you can see through the series" the only Uchiha who held revenge in their hearts were Madara (as the Uchiha betrayed him) and Sasuke (as his brother forced him onto a life of revenge). Did Itachi or Obito ever seek revenge? Sasuke had his entire Ichizoku (family) massacred by his brother. Sasuke had everyone he held dear taken away by his brother and had it displayed through Tsukuyomi. Then was pushed into a life of vengeance by Itachi who even though acted with good intentions, in the end had not known the depth of how far Sasuke had fallen.

His plan backfired and the end result was a creation of a corrupt and troubled young man, who only ate, lived, dreamed and desired revenge. Itachi resurfaced in Konoha years later to remind Danzou and a weak Sasuke challenged him. This made Itachi enforce Sasuke?s will of revenge and yearn for power through another painstaking view of the massacre for the second time and Orochimaru took advantage of this as he tempted Sasuke by the way of fast power. Madara captured Sasuke after Itachi passed and forced his version of the truth. Which re-opened a path of vengeance when Sasuke apparently felt justified after his brother?s death, just as Itachi wanted.

However, Sasuke did not believe Madara completely and demanded confirmation from Danzou which he received. This is where Sasuke?s persona took an even bigger turn as his mentality seemed to deteriorate even more than what is was. Sasuke has lived a life of intervention. In other words, he led a life mostly predetermined by Itachi/Orochimaru/Madara. Had Itachi not force this life of revenge on his younger brother may he have lived a different life.

Sasuke is not "stupid" but has rather sustained interventions, trauma, corruption, what appears to be an unstable mentality, hatred/darkness and believes his own actions are justified. People also seem to forget other characters throughout the manga who are similar to Sasuke. Like for e.g. Gaara who lost his mother, shunned by his own village, his father?s several attempts at murdering him and betrayed by his uncle which ultimately turned him into an unstable murder. Another one I think even more similar to Sasuke is Nagato. Who lost both his parents to an accidental death by a couple of Konoha ninja which turned his mind unstable and he murdered them.

He didn?t even have it as bad as Sasuke who witnessed the massacre of his entire family over and over twice through Tsukuyomi. He lived unstable but completely lost himself when Yahiko died and Sasuke seemed to snap completely with Danzou?s confirmation. Gaara/Nagato were able to change as a result tied to Naruto but Sasuke had the tragedies in his life way worse as well as a brother who continued to ensure his path of vengeance.

The Uchiha Ichizoku have been depicted as cursed and revengeful by you and others but in my opinion I think not and this is why:




Whether or not the Uchiha supported Hashirama for leadership, they only desired peace. As soon as Madara chose war, they betrayed and looked down on their former leader.



I think Revan was correct in his statement as there had been a selection held for leader of the village. It was originally founded by Hashirama and Madara. It should have instead been the two running the village and yet only one was chosen and of course it led to conflict, being Madara. Only when the Kyuubi incident arose did the higher ups falsely accuse Uchiha and with how the village treated them had it created corruption amongst the Uchiha and practically turned them against their own village. Which lead Konoha to discriminate, mistrust, suspect, moved Uchiha to a disclosed part of their own village and were quarantined like some deceased animals. As this occurred did it make the Uchiha feel betrayed/threatened and decided to retaliate through the means of a Coup d??tat, not revenge. Konoha?s villagers have had their own failures by not giving the Uchiha the benefit of the doubt in the way of innocent until proven guilty.

This is off topic but you mentioned Naruto "walks the path of good and peice without corruption" however, did Naruto have a life like Sasuke?s? Now, I am not denying that he had a sorrowed past but it was not anything like what Sasuke had to live through. He also even stated that he could have easily been in Sasuke shoes. He also got to view his darker evil self reflected. Which means that Naruto as well as Sasuke has that side to him and I think had Naruto suffered the trials Sasuke faced, he might not have turned out to be so pure. I simply fail to see how all Uchiha are cursed with vengeance and nobody said you cannot have your own point of view. However, you use insolence and non-factual statements in your opinion. That is simply what I had a problem with.​
 

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Sharingan, I would say is one of the two most powerful tools on earth, so basically saying it is a component to the Mujin Sharingan and has many secrets leading up to the ten tails. About everyone I guess had been fried for some crazy reason is that their eyes were a part of the ten tails manifestation !
 

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Sharingan, I would say is one of the two most powerful tools on earth, so basically saying it is a component to the Mujin Sharingan and has many secrets leading up to the ten tails. About everyone I guess had been fried for some crazy reason is that their eyes were a part of the ten tails manifestation !
This is nothing to do with what we are talking about, you just spam random crap about utter sh*t in every thread :|
 

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uhm this happens to any clan that is in the majority ?
white people supress black ppl
senju supress uchiha
if kimimaros clan was still alive , they would prolly revolt too !
 

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It not suppression of the Uchiha its that they have a completely opposite in their Philosophy of how to run the village. The Senju will of Fire is like the old Musketeers saying of One for All and All for One, The Uchiha is whats in it for me. When you have 2 groups of people one working for the benefit of all and one working for selfish benefits, they will always cause friction. Look at Mandara He works for only one personal reason world domination under His will.
 
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