why the hell did tobi (obito) help itachi kill the uchiha ??

[NaruGoku]

whether Madara was alive or not, it was still probably an order from him. Obito ends up with hundreds of eyes and as he said "I like to stockpile good eyes." And Obito doesn't care who lives or dies, he said it himself. It's because they'll all be alive in the dream world. That's exactly what he said when Madara asked why Obito didn't kill Kakashi "I don't care if he lives or dies. He'll be alive in the dream world anyway." that may not be verbatim cuz i didn't look at the chapter again, but that's what he said.

As far as Madara goes, Madara did NOT like the Uchiha. They betrayed him remember? When they wouldn't go along with him to fight against the Senju and they accepted a peace treaty and they accepted Hashirama as the Hokage, Madara felt disgraced and betrayed and that's why he left the village. So he didn't like them anyway

and as others have said, it is possible that a bunch of Uchiha's together could bust out of Infinite Tsukuyomi--although i kinda doubt that. not many people ever even awaken the MS, let alone obtaining EMS, and plus the MEP uses Tsukuyomi produced off of the moon by the power of the Juubi, so i doubt any Uchiha could get out of it, BUT it is possible that they could have been some sort of threat. either way it doesn't matter cuz they were killed in the end.

Either way, i doubt either Madara or Obito care who lives or dies because once the Moon's Eye Plan goes into effect, everyone will be alive

 

[mabanae]

he doesn't care .
they will live and be in the dream world , that's what he thinks .
he doesn't give a shit about anything anymore , just his goal , moon's eye plan , being with Rin again .

 

[Amelius]

dude shringans don't work that way, and the sharingan ability to control tailed beasts is extremely rare that we only know of two who did it (madara and obito a student of madara) if controlling the tailed beasts was so easy with a sharingan then the uchiha would have been the leaders not senju

Are you forgetting when sasuke supressed Kurama? The sharingan is capable of inducing a unique brand of hypnosis that involves suggesting actions and thoughts to the opponent through genjutsu cast by simple eye contact between both parties, even a tailed beast may be controlled. I never said once it was easy to do! I was saying it was a possibility that I am sure Obito did not want to risk happening. So yes, The sharingan does work that way!

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

whether Madara was alive or not, it was still probably an order from him. Obito ends up with hundreds of eyes and as he said "I like to stockpile good eyes." And Obito doesn't care who lives or dies, he said it himself. It's because they'll all be alive in the dream world. That's exactly what he said when Madara asked why Obito didn't kill Kakashi "I don't care if he lives or dies. He'll be alive in the dream world anyway." that may not be verbatim cuz i didn't look at the chapter again, but that's what he said.

As far as Madara goes, Madara did NOT like the Uchiha. They betrayed him remember? When they wouldn't go along with him to fight against the Senju and they accepted a peace treaty and they accepted Hashirama as the Hokage, Madara felt disgraced and betrayed and that's why he left the village. So he didn't like them anyway

and as others have said, it is possible that a bunch of Uchiha's together could bust out of Infinite Tsukuyomi--although i kinda doubt that. not many people ever even awaken the MS, let alone obtaining EMS, and plus the MEP uses Tsukuyomi produced off of the moon by the power of the Juubi, so i doubt any Uchiha could get out of it, BUT it is possible that they could have been some sort of threat. either way it doesn't matter cuz they were killed in the end.

Either way, i doubt either Madara or Obito care who lives or dies because once the Moon's Eye Plan goes into effect, everyone will be alive

good answer + rep

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Are you forgetting when sasuke supressed Kurama? The sharingan is capable of inducing a unique brand of hypnosis that involves suggesting actions and thoughts to the opponent through genjutsu cast by simple eye contact between both parties, even a tailed beast may be controlled. I never said once it was easy to do! I was saying it was a possibility that I am sure Obito did not want to risk happening. So yes, The sharingan does work that way!

i must have missed something ..... when did sasuke supress kurama ??

 

[Amelius]

whether Madara was alive or not, it was still probably an order from him. Obito ends up with hundreds of eyes and as he said "I like to stockpile good eyes." And Obito doesn't care who lives or dies, he said it himself. It's because they'll all be alive in the dream world. That's exactly what he said when Madara asked why Obito didn't kill Kakashi "I don't care if he lives or dies. He'll be alive in the dream world anyway." that may not be verbatim cuz i didn't look at the chapter again, but that's what he said.

As far as Madara goes, Madara did NOT like the Uchiha. They betrayed him remember? When they wouldn't go along with him to fight against the Senju and they accepted a peace treaty and they accepted Hashirama as the Hokage, Madara felt disgraced and betrayed and that's why he left the village. So he didn't like them anyway

and as others have said, it is possible that a bunch of Uchiha's together could bust out of Infinite Tsukuyomi--although i kinda doubt that. not many people ever even awaken the MS, let alone obtaining EMS, and plus the MEP uses Tsukuyomi produced off of the moon by the power of the Juubi, so i doubt any Uchiha could get out of it, BUT it is possible that they could have been some sort of threat. either way it doesn't matter cuz they were killed in the end.

Either way, i doubt either Madara or Obito care who lives or dies because once the Moon's Eye Plan goes into effect, everyone will be alive

If madara really did want to bring peace to the world, even by putting everyone in a dream world I honestly do not think he would hold a grudge for over 100 years... If you remember he wanted to create a world for everyone, that would include his clan. He wants to get rid of the negative things like angry, revenge, etc. Why would he want to rid the world of that if he himself wanted revenge himself? wouldnt he see it that as pointless and work even harder to "save" the world?

 

[NaruGoku]

i must have missed something ..... when did sasuke supress kurama ??

Around episode 50 or so when they see Sasuke for the first time in 2 years. Sasuke went into Naruto's mind and blasted Kurama out of his sight then chidori-bladed Yamato in the shoulder

 

[Amelius]

i must have missed something ..... when did sasuke supress kurama ??

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[JIRAIYA perv]

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thank bro, then what you said before might be true + rep

 

[NaruGoku]

If madara really did want to bring peace to the world, even by putting everyone in a dream world I honestly do not think he would hold a grudge for over 100 years... If you remember he wanted to create a world for everyone, that would include his clan. He wants to get rid of the negative things like angry, revenge, etc. Why would he want to rid the world of that if he himself wanted revenge himself? wouldnt he see it that as pointless and work even harder to "save" the world?

I understand what you're saying, but it was all the necessary means to an end. All the negativity and stuff brought about by Madara was necessary for him to be able and implement to MEP. For example, Uchiha clan aside, it required the MURDER of all jinchuuriki to get their tailed beasts. So, that's pretty negative.

ALSO i think the whole "this world is pain, i want to end it, make everyone happy" speech was most likely--in my opinion--just to help bring a young, impressionable, nice kid into his way of thinking. in other words, his way of manipulating Obito at such a young age. i could be wrong, but that's the feeling i got

PLUS a dream world for Everyone will be just that--it doesn't matter if they are dead or alive, so even when they are dead he can make the dream world for everyone

and i mean, now that he's alive again, does he seem like a happy, loving guy who wants to get rid of negativity? he split Tsunade in half and all the Kage would be dead if it weren't for Tsunade being a medical genius--and he did that just cuz he was bored and wanted to move on. he just wants to control the world and it's all for himself, not for others. that's my opinion, could always be wrong

 

[Retsu]

i must have missed something ..... when did sasuke supress kurama ??

He never suppressed kurama, he basically took a peek into naruto's mind where he chills with kurama, but Naruto never planned on using him in that encounter anyways. And furthermore, even if he could have done it, naruto is now perfect, and we saw Sasuke fightkbee, and not once did he suppress the hachibi, so I think it's safe to say that Sasuke has not nor will ever suppress kurama.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

He never suppressed kurama, he basically took a peek into naruto's mind where he chills with kurama, but Naruto never planned on using him in that encounter anyways. And furthermore, even if he could have done it, naruto is now perfect, and we saw Sasuke fightkbee, and not once did he suppress the hachibi, so I think it's safe to say that Sasuke has not nor will ever suppress kurama.

read the posts before it bro that was an example of a sharingan that can suppress a tailed beast (without a host) but you have a good point

 

[Amelius]

I understand what you're saying, but it was all the necessary means to an end. All the negativity and stuff brought about by Madara was necessary for him to be able and implement to MEP. For example, Uchiha clan aside, it required the MURDER of all jinchuuriki to get their tailed beasts. So, that's pretty negative. ALSO i think the whole "this world is pain, i want to end it, make everyone happy" speech was most likely--in my opinion--just to help bring a young, impressionable, nice kid into his way of thinking. in other words, his way of manipulating Obito at such a young age. i could be wrong, but that's the feeling i got

lol, I think we confused each other. I am by no means saying Madara is doing things in a good way. What I was trying to say was there was no reason for madara to want the uchiha clan dead merely because he held a grudge. Revenge isnt part of the plan to being "peace". Thats all i was saying, there had to be a bigger reason then revenge otherwise Obito wouldnt have done it. Obito in a twisted way truely wants a peaceful world free of guilt, angry, revenge, etc. For madara to tell him, go kill them, they pissed me off. Obito would be like excuse me? How does that bring the dream world? Madara had to convince Obito to want the peaceful dream world.. and that his clan had to die.

I do agree that Madara more then likely tricked Obito, But what did he tell him to make him think his clan had to die to bring make the dream world

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

lol, I think we confused each other. I am by no means saying Madara is doing things in a good way. What I was trying to say was there was no reason for madara to want the uchiha clan dead merely because he held a grudge. Revenge isnt part of the plan to being "peace". Thats all i was saying, there had to be a bigger reason then revenge otherwise Obito wouldnt have done it. Obito in a twisted way truely wants a peaceful world free of guilt, angry, revenge, etc. For madara to tell him, go kill them, they pissed me off. Obito would be like excuse me? How does that bring the dream world? Madara had to convince Obito to want the peaceful dream world.. and that his clan had to die.

i second this ^^ my idea of the hall thread

 

[NaruGoku]

lol, I think we confused each other. I am by no means saying Madara is doing things in a good way. What I was trying to say was there was no reason for madara to want the uchiha clan dead merely because he held a grudge. Revenge isnt part of the plan to being "peace". Thats all i was saying, there had to be a bigger reason then revenge otherwise Obito wouldnt have done it. Obito in a twisted way truely wants a peaceful world free of guilt, angry, revenge, etc. For madara to tell him, go kill them, they pissed me off. Obito would be like excuse me? How does that bring the dream world? Madara had to convince Obito to want the peaceful dream world.. and that his clan had to die.



I do agree that Madara more then likely tricked Obito, But what did he tell him to make him think his clan had to die to bring make the dream world

Well yeah, i truly doubt he simply wanted revenge. There was clearly an ulterior motive if he did infact order it and Obito didn't simply stumble upon Itachi and decided to do it with him. All i really meant before was that he didn't care if they lived or died, i never thought or meant to imply he did it out of spite. and if he did order it, who knows what he told Obito. but i'm pretty sure Obito would have done anything simply because, in his mind, he could undo it in the dream world. so he probably didn't even need convincing, Madara just says "we need this as part of the plan" and obito says "ok."

 

[Darth Wignus]

I think he did it to get his stock pile of eyes. After all having all those would cone in handy.

 

[Amelius]

Well yeah, i truly doubt he simply wanted revenge. There was clearly an ulterior motive if he did infact order it and Obito didn't simply stumble upon Itachi and decided to do it with him. All i really meant before was that he didn't care if they lived or died, i never thought or meant to imply he did it out of spite. and if he did order it, who knows what he told Obito. but i'm pretty sure Obito would have done anything simply because, in his mind, he could undo it in the dream world. so he probably didn't even need convincing, Madara just says "we need this as part of the plan" and obito says "ok."

Very true!

 

[Kurama2012]

madara actually hated the uchiha for turning there backs on him and as obito doesn't care for the current world he killed for the sharingan so he could use izanagi and the hidden techs that could be stored in them

 

[The God]

i don't know if anyone asked this before ..... but why did he do that ?? :shrug:
we already know that itachi was the one who understood why the elders of konoha waned the uchiha clan exterminated (he saw him self as a shinobi of konoha not only the uchiha so he did it for the greater good). Now madara was a proud uchiha and obito was his student (from what we've seen so far) so why did obito agree on the extermination of his clan when they did nothing to him ?? please tell me if am missing something

i would like to add that madara was a very proud uchiha so even if the uchiha did turn their backs on him, he wouldn't agree on their extermination and leave the rest of the village alive (HE IS AN UCHIHA) and he wouldn't agree on it specially when they finally tried to do what he always waned them to do witch is take over .....

Its simple to explain really, have you seen all the powers that have been displayed for an Uchiha they are GODLY

1. They would pose a threat to him in the future if they were allowed to live

2. When you give out Godly powers to a clan or peoples you have to limit how many of them there are in the story.

This was done in Dbz with the saiyans and any other anime where a group of ppl have godly powers they are always wiped out with one remaining otherwise youd have loads of em running around killing ppl making it unbalanced

 

[Amelius]

madara actually hated the uchiha for turning there backs on him and as obito doesn't care for the current world he killed for the sharingan so he could use izanagi and the hidden techs that could be stored in them

But the presentation Madara is giving Obito makes it appear that he doesnt have any interest in those kinds of emotions. He seems to want to rid of the world of those negative emotions like hatred.... So why would he have the Uchiha clan destroyed out of anger when he wants to rid the world of anger. he would be contradicting himself, wouldnt he?