Why the 2nd>4th Hokage!

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Where can I read this fanfiction? All I see is, you merely speculating on a lot of what ifs... and you’re welcome to prove me wrong with scans from the manga. We know for a fact that Tobirama’s version was not perfected i.e. inferior. Nothing more needs to be added; Orochimaru was simply superior when it came to the technique Tobirama once invented. For all we know, Orochimaru made the summons more resistant to damage, or improved how long they could be summoned since Orochimaru is a brilliant scientist. You simply don’t know(the tags were just major)....

The technique was also labeled Kinjutsu, which means something could have gone wrong. And even if your theory holds water, and orochimaro only added the tags, it would still be a giant gamble since any of the summons could go rogue at any given time and how many of them would actually appreciate being summoned from the death? Basically like playing the lottery and you saw how the world viewed the technique.

Anyhow, Minato defeated both A and Tobi, while we haven't seen Tobirama defeat one... and unlike Hiruzen he doesn't have the author's word for being the best.

its not speculation.. its common sense.. orochimaru invented fuda tags, he said so..
WHY would a genius hokage revive people who would attack him once they are revived? that makes NO sense... none at all

Anyhow, Minato defeated both A
really where?putting a kunai on his back why he was covered in lightning armour?
Oh you think a kunai would hurt A whn chidor barely cut his skin?
 

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You sir stated some fact but also there are flaws in your thread as well.Taijutsu: in the manga or anime it was shown that minato had great mastery over his taijutsu alike to naruto frog fu and tobi was said to be a master too.
ninjutsu: minato was pretty gud in ninjutsu not only rasengan cause only seeing a technic like biju bomb and create a virsion alike to it is a job well done by a master only. so does tobirama, because he was pretty good too using water style and others.
genjutsu:minato was not shown to use any of genjutsu doesn't mean he can't or doesn't know any, because a kage who was feared like minato and a guy who trash tobi who was known to control a jinchuriki and itachi master you know exactly what i mean, meaning tobi control kyubi with a mere sharigan just by genjutsu but couldn't put minato in a genjutsu. while tobi rama learn some genjutsu from his older brother demonstrated in the anime which means they both quite good at it.
sealing jutsu: minato was said to be a master of sealing jutsu, and tobirama must have know one or two if he created edo tensei but minato had the advantage.
kinjutsu: as shown during minato fight that he use his ftg kunai to take out every oponent even tobi got spearce by it so he was itachi level meaning a master of kinjutsu, on the other hand tobirama was a master too because of the thunder god kunai used by him.
summoning jutsu: minato was a master of it because he shown it during the nine tails attack and he was jiraira student you know was that mean, so does tobirama because of edo tensei.
space time: minato was a step ahead of tobirama in s/t ninjutsu because the naruto world fear him just for that.
senser or sensor: they both showed the same type of sensor.
speed: it was said that minato was the fastest shinobi in the naruto world shown during kushina rescued as a child, Fighting The raikage, and tobi attack, however, tobirama was fast but couldn't be as fast as minato even if he ussd s/t cause minato would have used his also. minato win this.
War fight: minato during his childhood and being hokage was feared by everybody even tobi who use this past through me on the other side i'll catch you technic ran from him and praised him for being worthy of his name and being hokage. while tobirama was not that feared. during the third ninja war the oder was to run if you can when you see minato because you'll die before you can think where to run. tobirama on the other hand was not that bad.
during the third ninja world that konoha win because of minato speed and s/t and fought an army at the bridge, killed them in mere seconds and returned to save kakashi, which means even if you are elite or not you'll die at the hand of minato in mere seconds and the only ninja who took more than seconds was A, killer bee, and tobi. that he didn't kill.
tobirama was face by 20 kumo ninja but got kill
 

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i think minato would win, he can use a lot of different sealing techniques, also the 4th was regarded as a genius, and in the ninja world you gotta be smart , he was prabaly the smartest hokage with he slickest techs.
 

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Since no one knows how strong the second hokage actually was there is no point in giving battle simulations lol. I will say this though the 2nd hokage was definitely stronger considering he invented 2 of the most powerful jutsu in the series (Space Time and Resurrection). There is no telling what other techniques he knows and lets not forget he was a Senju meaning he had retarded amounts of stamina and chakra.

4th hokage was a genius and definitely created 2 of his own jutsu (Rasengan and Reaper Death) but we just dont know what the 2nd was truly capable of.

I get tired of people comparing the old ninjas to the current ones in the series. Its been pretty well established now that all of the old legendary ninjas were much more powerful aside from the ones that won the "bloodline lotto"

Side Note: Also regarding the 2nd hokages resurrection I believe he actually used it as a regenerating suicide bomber considering Madara said he use to use it to "Wipe the Field" dont remember exact quote
 
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incredible that this topic is still open
face teh facts, nidaime got killed by 10-20 shinobis or however much they were..
yondaime killed 50 all by himself without getting a SCRATCH on his face, you can't just judge this by your nonsense 'arguments'
 

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incredible that this topic is still open
face teh facts, nidaime got killed by 10-20 shinobis or however much they were..
yondaime killed 50 all by himself without getting a SCRATCH on his face, you can't just judge this by your nonsense 'arguments'
lol thats true but you never know who those 10-20 shinobi were. Lets face it though there was Danzou, 3rd Hokage, Uchiha, 2nd hokage, and an extra ninja. No telling what the actual situation was but id assume they could have killed 10-20 shinobi unless they were exhausted or something lol
 

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lol thats true but you never know who those 10-20 shinobi were. Lets face it though there was Danzou, 3rd Hokage, Uchiha, 2nd hokage, and an extra ninja. No telling what the actual situation was but id assume they could have killed 10-20 shinobi unless they were exhausted or something lol
yondaime killed fodder jounin like the one that fought kid kakashi and obito..

Tobirama faced 20 world known master elite bounty hunter nin ...yea..
 

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I think it would have been an epic match and very close indeed, but Minato would still win. We yet to see Minato's full potential. We cannot make assumptions till we have more info. Gatsuuga, your info is misleading and not very accurate. In Ninjutsu, Minato would dominate Tobirama. And plus, Minato is the fastest, second to non, ninja in the manga.
 

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I think it would have been an epic match and very close indeed, but Minato would still win. We yet to see Minato's full potential. We cannot make assumptions till we have more info. Gatsuuga, your info is misleading and not very accurate. In Ninjutsu, Minato would dominate Tobirama. And plus, Minato is the fastest, second to non, ninja in the manga.
How the hell do you know minato would dominate tobirama in ninjutsu? you cant possibly know that..

all you know minato has is ftg,rasengan,seal etc

tobirama was in the senju clan, which trained and master all forms of ninja combat... nin tai and gen.. which is why they got the name clan of 1000 skills...

This entire thread is based on conjecture and personal bias
 

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yondaime owned A and B.
kinkaku and ginkaku owned tobirama.
darui owned kin and gin brothers,
darui is A's bodyguard
A and B are the strongest in the kumogakure
A and B> darui
therefore MINATO > A or B> DARUI > KIN GIN > TOBIRAMA :rofl:
 

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the IRONY is your pointing on my SIG that quoted from you :rofl:
I Hope you do realize the majority of nb knows hiruzen was the youngest to become hokage,and there is actually a thread about it? thus putting me in your sig simply makes you look even more retarded than you actually are
 

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"there is only one thing that matters if you are a shinobi, and it isn't the number of techniques you possess. All you do need, is the guts to never give up"
- Jiraiya



It's alright......, Wanna cookie to cheer yourself up?.

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Yeah, and Jiraiya, 'who had the guts to never give up', was killed by the guy who has the largest arsenal (aside from edo madara) in the entire series.
 

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sigh yea, im done going off topic on this thread
but glad to know you think this boy is in his 30's

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and why are these people too concerned about the age of kakashi when theyve got "18 years old hokage" according to you? and why did they not mention sarutubi that he is young? instead they said minato
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