Why the 2nd>4th Hokage!
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Blaze Release
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Thats naive. No different to what the 8 tails said to the nine tails in relation to power U_U
Rafeal brown
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The senju clan battled the uchiha clan several times i bet tobirama fought madara or izuna on few occasions, don't bite my head off or anything but i presume he won against madara on few occasions atleast..... Just because he didn't perfect edo tensei doesn't mean he couldn't use it in actual battle or he can't use it effectively, it's like saying "rasengan won't be effective against tobirama because it's an incomplete jutsu" If he can summon his clans men then minato's in trouble... The senju clan is probably the strongest clan in the narutoverse i bet any edo senju will give minato problems and if he summons them in large scale it'll be minato's funeral... But i still think minato is...... slightly stronger than tobirama and until we see more from tobirama, minato should be considered the stronger than him!
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Usanara Dattebayo
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there's some holes in it. but it really is hard to say who is the better shinobi out of the two...
no it does make sense. Kakashi vs jairya. Kakashi has over 1,000 jutsu. who do you claim the victor?
what the 8 tails said to the 9 tails was just stupid to me because we all knew the 9 tails was the stronger one.
The 4th Hokage is stronger than the 2nd minato was taught the uzamakis clans sealing techniques He would know how to seal and edo .
Soo many flaws with the 2nd supporters in this
hype doesn't equal fact he was hyped up to be great ( can someone link me a page from the manga stating the the 2nd and 1st hokage where on the same level or something similar to that )
We have seen and edo 2nd be defeated by the 69 year old third hokage ( dont say they where toying they cant toy when orochimaru removed there feelings with that kunai with a seal order or whatever he placed in the back of there heads )
the 2nds water style was the strongest most powerful water style user ever , we have no idea his abut his space time techniques
the 2nd cant really use edo effectively since he needs to have preparation to get the dna preform the ritual thing and he was said to not have completed the jutsu labeling it as kinjutsu who would he revive to ? ( Dont say random senju people even if he could 1 or 2 not and army especially when it was said he never mastered it and labeled it as kinutsu )
Minato was shown to be able to transport a full powered 9 tailed beast ball who had both his ying and yang chackra at that point away from the village with a sealing technique who is to say minato cant do that with the 2nds water style techniques
Until there is more revealed about the 2nd hokage Minato has this Based on facts and what we have seen
( Not counting the anime especially filler arcs ... )
Soo many flaws with the 2nd supporters in this
hype doesn't equal fact he was hyped up to be great ( can someone link me a page from the manga stating the the 2nd and 1st hokage where on the same level or something similar to that )
We have seen and edo 2nd be defeated by the 69 year old third hokage ( dont say they where toying they cant toy when orochimaru removed there feelings with that kunai with a seal order or whatever he placed in the back of there heads )
the 2nds water style was the strongest most powerful water style user ever , we have no idea his abut his space time techniques
the 2nd cant really use edo effectively since he needs to have preparation to get the dna preform the ritual thing and he was said to not have completed the jutsu labeling it as kinjutsu who would he revive to ? ( Dont say random senju people even if he could 1 or 2 not and army especially when it was said he never mastered it and labeled it as kinutsu )
Minato was shown to be able to transport a full powered 9 tailed beast ball who had both his ying and yang chackra at that point away from the village with a sealing technique who is to say minato cant do that with the 2nds water style techniques
Until there is more revealed about the 2nd hokage Minato has this Based on facts and what we have seen
( Not counting the anime especially filler arcs ... )
Blaze Release
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Kakashi vs jiraiya is a different argument to what jiraiya said to oro.
We all know that jiraiya is stronger, but when two ninja's around the same level was to fight, a vast knowledge of ninjutsu would somewhat give you the edge.
'All you do need is the guts to never give up'. Please thats too naive
well jairya did force himself back to life against pain. thats guts right there to neevr give up...though he did die after.
I'm not even a fan of Minato, yet I can clearly see that he gets underrated all the time ( fanboys excluded).Tobirama is not beating Minato in neither hype nor feats, and his edo tensei is clearly inferior to both Orochimaru and Kabuto's.
inferior in what way? that he can't revive ninjas like hashirama etc>
dont you people get that all he didn't have was the fuda tag things that oro invented to wipe the edos memory and make them controllable?
Which means tobirama did not revive people who would not fight for him.. he revived dead konoha/senju people, who fought on their on free will at 100% , he did no controlling... that edo is still very deadly when compared to oro's where he has to control them and fails at it......
MasterofSenjutsu
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Not really. Look how it worked for Naruto. Yes, you could argue that Kurama had something to do with that. And yes, you could argue by saying plot no jutsu. But seriously, having persistance really helps in the basics of life.
MasterofSenjutsu
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for staters we never seen his edo tensen or know hos it looks.
and when orochumaru revived them they look like they were decaying when kabuto did it they almost looked human again.
so the 2nd probably was even worse. besides didnt he label it as a forbidden jutsu and it wasnt even completed.whose to say what he meant by completed. what if completed to him ment they were brought back as humans not as zombies. whose to say he wanted to controll them
besides that (which i took into account when you mention controlling) didnt you notice the difference in how they look. i still want to see all these jutsu the 2nd have before i make assumptions.
Where can I read this fanfiction? All I see is, you merely speculating on a lot of what ifs... and you’re welcome to prove me wrong with scans from the manga. We know for a fact that Tobirama’s version was not perfected i.e. inferior. Nothing more needs to be added; Orochimaru was simply superior when it came to the technique Tobirama once invented. For all we know, Orochimaru made the summons more resistant to damage, or improved how long they could be summoned since Orochimaru is a brilliant scientist. You simply don’t know(the tags were just major)....
The technique was also labeled Kinjutsu, which means something could have gone wrong. And even if your theory holds water, and orochimaro only added the tags, it would still be a giant gamble since any of the summons could go rogue at any given time and how many of them would actually appreciate being summoned from the death? Basically like playing the lottery and you saw how the world viewed the technique.
Anyhow, Minato defeated both A and Tobi, while we haven't seen Tobirama defeat one... and unlike Hiruzen he doesn't have the author's word for being the best.
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