Why people say Base Minato>Itachi?

[Conspirator.]

Itachi with Edo reserves spanks that ass and you know it

"Edo reserves"? You do realise that Edo tensei doesn't actually improve your chakra reserves, right?(Most of the time. Only in exceptional cases like Madara/Senju DNA this is not true) You still have "x" amount of chakra as an edo, the difference is that the chakra that you use instantly refills.

OT: Minatao takes it.

-MInato can spread kunais over a massive area, as he showed against the Juubi. And rather quickly.
-Amaterasu is shat on by FTG and incredibly fast reflexes/Shunshin
-S/T barrier shits on Yasaka magatama and any other projectile attacks from Itachi.
-Totsuka is evaded with ease via FTG shunshin.
-Clones, and FTG teleportation mean that Itachi actually landing genjutsu on Minato(is only chance), is slim to none.
-If Itachi doesn't use Susanoo, he's vulnerable to FTG blitz. If he does use Susanoo, his chakra reserves drop. Once Itachi's Susanoo comes down(and it will), Minato finishes him off with the FTG followed by a kunai slash.
-Izanami has no effect on Minato, given his personality. Not that it matters either way, since Itachi is never going to be able to touch Minato in the first place.

 

[LuckyMan]

Minato needs two techniques to beat Itachi. Kage Bunshin + Hirashin. Any more is overkill.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Itachi crow solos and have minato calling him Solo King

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[shelke]

Susanoo=physical manifestation of chakra.
Ftg= teleports whatever is connected to the user by either touch or chakra.

Connect the dots. There's only 2.

There is a very good incident to support this. Two, in fact. Three, if you count Minato's feats and how Susano'o works:

Naruto grabbed Minato so that he could teleport them and he in turn grabbed Sasuke. Now, throw both Kurama and Uchiha Chakra out of the equation and what you get is a 'Manifestation' of two chakras in form of Susano'o and Kurama's avatar. There is really no difference between the two in this regard. Literally nothing. KCM's avatar is simply a purified form of Chakra ooze from Kurama. A chakra source within Naruto, just like Sasuke's own.

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Nothing happened. Naruto's external avatar wasn't teleported away, nor was Sasuke's already damaged Susano'o left behind. Now one can argue that the avatar cannot be teleported away, because of the large amount of chakra it has, but at least his extended arm should have been? That didn't happen either.

Susano'o is intricately connected with the user. So much so, that when the user's chakra fluctuates, IT fluctuates as well. Minato isn't teleporting something that is projected directly in this manner. He hasn't in the manga, so he isn't doing it.

Another good example would be when he teleported Kurama. Its TBB was still forming in its mouth, and thus connected to it. When he teleported Kurama, its TBB got teleported with it.

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- If you look closely, then the TBB is completely outside its mouth.

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- Two images that completely prove this point. Yet what happened when Minato teleported Kurama?

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- It got teleported WITH Kurama.

The only time the user was ever pulled out of S, was by the combined efforts of Onoki, and Gaara. Susano'o was literally held down and the user was dragged out to sever the chakra connection. Minato doesn't have that luxury. Which is why it remains a fanfiction for me. Heck, the user is shown to make parts of Susano'o almost intangible to let others in as well, that is how clever and intricate S's manipulation is.

It isn't happening. Period.

 

[TRE MERCER]

The only one that's a threat is tsukuyomi. And Minato is a clone user. Genjutsu dosent effect clones.

This clone argument kills me...

Naruto who is the clone master was effortlessly cought in genjutsu everytime he met with Itachi...​

 

[ARGUS]

Edo Itachi > Minato > Itachi

 

[Demonic.]

"Edo reserves"? You do realise that Edo tensei doesn't actually improve your chakra reserves, right?(Most of the time. Only in exceptional cases like Madara/Senju DNA this is not true) You still have "x" amount of chakra as an edo, the difference is that the chakra that you use instantly refills.

OT: Minatao takes it.

-MInato can spread kunais over a massive area, as he showed against the Juubi. And rather quickly.
-Amaterasu is shat on by FTG and incredibly fast reflexes/Shunshin
-S/T barrier shits on Yasaka magatama and any other projectile attacks from Itachi.
-Totsuka is evaded with ease via FTG shunshin.
-Clones, and FTG teleportation mean that Itachi actually landing genjutsu on Minato(is only chance), is slim to none.
-If Itachi doesn't use Susanoo, he's vulnerable to FTG blitz. If he does use Susanoo, his chakra reserves drop. Once Itachi's Susanoo comes down(and it will), Minato finishes him off with the FTG followed by a kunai slash.
-Izanami has no effect on Minato, given his personality. Not that it matters either way, since Itachi is never going to be able to touch Minato in the first place.

Edo feats and stamina.

Come at me.

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[Wabisuke]

Even Edo?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

This clone argument kills me...

Naruto who is the clone master was effortlessly cought in genjutsu everytime he met with Itachi...​

Clone master? He didn't even know that clones chakra resonate with each other until late Juubito saga. Somthing tobirama and Minato had to spell out 4 him. He didn't know that clones send info back to the original until kakashi spelled it out 4 him. Clone master my ass.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Edo feats and stamina.

Come at me.

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both of them are too similar to compare and we have never seen alive minato fight(tobis fight was not enough) so its 50-50 for both alive versions while edo minato is more poerfull than alive/edo itachi while alive jinchuuriki minato is more powerfull than alive itachi.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Clone master? He didn't even know that clones chakra resonate with each other until late Juubito saga. Somthing tobirama and Minato had to spell out 4 him. He didn't know that clones send info back to the original until kakashi spelled it out 4 him. Clone master my ass.

well naruto is more interested in using things than analysing them. thats how he surpasses other caracters.

 

[Lariatoo]

Minato vs Itachi threads?
What madness is this?
2012?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Without intel, Minato falls prey to a genjutsu and is killed by Tsukuyomi. He won't know he needs to avoid making eye contact.

With basic intel on Itachi's genjutsu he beats him mid difficulty.

He knows he's an Uchiha and Itachi would have to activate the Sharingan.

That's all Minato needs.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

well naruto is more interested in using things than analysing them. thats how he surpasses other caracters.

The only thing naruto has going for him when it comes to clones is sheer numbers. Somthing he always had due to his immense chakra levels.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Edo Itachi > Minato > Itachi

Nope.

Frog Song.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

There is a very good incident to support this. Two, in fact. Three, if you count Minato's feats and how Susano'o works:

Naruto grabbed Minato so that he could teleport them and he in turn grabbed Sasuke. Now, throw both Kurama and Uchiha Chakra out of the equation and what you get is a 'Manifestation' of two chakras in form of Susano'o and Kurama's avatar. There is really no difference between the two in this regard. Literally nothing. KCM's avatar is simply a purified form of Chakra ooze from Kurama. A chakra source within Naruto, just like Sasuke's own.

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Nothing happened. Naruto's external avatar wasn't teleported away, nor was Sasuke's already damaged Susano'o left behind. Now one can argue that the avatar cannot be teleported away, because of the large amount of chakra it has, but at least his extended arm should have been? That didn't happen either.

Susano'o is intricately connected with the user. So much so, that when the user's chakra fluctuates, IT fluctuates as well. Minato isn't teleporting something that is projected directly in this manner. He hasn't in the manga, so he isn't doing it.

Another good example would be when he teleported Kurama. Its TBB was still forming in its mouth, and thus connected to it. When he teleported Kurama, its TBB got teleported with it.

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- If you look closely, then the TBB is completely outside its mouth.

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- Two images that completely prove this point. Yet what happened when Minato teleported Kurama?

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- It got teleported WITH Kurama.

The only time the user was ever pulled out of S, was by the combined efforts of Onoki, and Gaara. Susano'o was literally held down and the user was dragged out to sever the chakra connection. Minato doesn't have that luxury. Which is why it remains a fanfiction for me. Heck, the user is shown to make parts of Susano'o almost intangible to let others in as well, that is how clever and intricate S's manipulation is.

It isn't happening. Period.

Both examples you gave are crap. In the first example we clearly see a sliver of his susanno get left behind not to mention that he's trying to SAVE them. Leaving behind his armor would be pointless.

Same goes for him teleporting kurama him leaving behind the tailed beast bomb would be counter productive to what he's trying to do.

Come with somthing better. The rules behind ftg are clear as day. Physical contact or chakra.

Want proof? The fact that obito's tsb orbs are "connected" to him as you so kindly put. Yet got separated from him via ftg.

 

[Transcendence]

Clone master? He didn't even know that clones chakra resonate with each other until late Juubito saga. Somthing tobirama and Minato had to spell out 4 him. He didn't know that clones send info back to the original until kakashi spelled it out 4 him. Clone master my ass.

He found that out when Kakashi taught him. Tobirama's explanation was just an elongated version of that, and yes he is the master of clones. Nobody has innovated with clones as much as Naruto.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He found that out when Kakashi taught him. Tobirama's explanation was just an elongated version of that, and yes he is the master of clones. Nobody has innovated with clones as much as Naruto.

Yeahhhh no. Clone resonance is when 1 clone or the original activates or fluctuates their chakra it effects the other clones as well. Somthing that happened during the kazekage rescue(naruto's clones reacting to the original Going into the two/three tailed state) arc but wasn't known by naruto until late Juubito arc (10 arcs later? Give or take?).
Info sharing wasn't explained to naruto until immortals arc despite naruto having the shadow clone technique for...4 years give or take. Even kakashi expected him to notice it by then but still had to explain it to him.

Naruto's only saving grace is the sheer amount of clones he can make, not talking advantage of the benefits behind the tech until someone explains to him the benifits behind the tech.

 

[Airbear]

He knows he's an Uchiha and Itachi would have to activate the Sharingan.

That's all Minato needs.

Because all of itachis genjutsu are visual ones? K

 

[grizzlyshree]

The only thing naruto has going for him when it comes to clones is sheer numbers. Somthing he always had due to his immense chakra levels.

naruto is a situational strategist. one need not analyse the mechanics to master a jutsu. naruto is a prime example of that.he practically experiences the jutsu to master it