Why people say Base Minato>Itachi?

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[Milliana]

Because they haven't converted to Itachism yet.

 

[HiddenSound]

That jutsu is simply to right yourself and your destiny.

His destiny could of being defeating Itachi if it was made out to be weather if it was Itachi's genjutsu or Kabuto's.

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Minato destroys Itachi, its already been confirmed.

It's been confirmed? You say things sometimes, I don't you think you know what they mean.

 

[HiddenSound]

- Because all MS techniques of itachi are uselss against Minato. FTG alone counters all of them.
- Because Minato is too fast for Itachi
- Because Minato can evade and even redirect anything itachi throws at minato
- Because itachi doesn't have the stamina or chakra to compete with Minato
- Because MS takes a great toll on itachi, while Minato has enormous chakra and can spam teleportation all day long
- Because Minato has faced and easily defeated a much stronger uchiha than Itachi just fine.

Minato doesn't even have to fight really, he can let itachi die of ninja aids, exhaust himself or go blind from MS over usage. And LOL, Izanami can't work on minato.

You conveniently left out Genjutsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You conveniently left out Genjutsu.

The only one that's a threat is tsukuyomi. And Minato is a clone user. Genjutsu dosent effect clones.

 

[HiddenSound]

The only one that's a threat is tsukuyomi. And Minato is a clone user. Genjutsu dosent effect clones.

Itachi's extremely subtle and non-visual Genjutsus aren't a threat? How so?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Itachi's extremely subtle and non-visual Genjutsus aren't a threat? How so?

Because as a sensor type ninja he'd be able to sense disturbances within himself, regardless of how subtle it is. Tsukuyomi is the only technique that dosen't allow that due to itachi's time dilation.

 

[HiddenSound]

Because as a sensor type ninja he'd be able to sense disturbances within himself, regardless of how subtle it is. Tsukuyomi is the only technique that dosen't allow that due to itachi's time dilation.

That's not necessarily true though. C is a sensor and he fell to Sasuke's Genjutsu. Just because he's a sensor doesn't absolutely mean he's immune.
I know C is most likely nowhere near the same as Minato in sensing, but the same is said of Sasuke compared to Itachi in Genjutsu.

 

[shelke]

Base Itachi wrecks Base Minato. FTG can be easily anticipated. If a novice Bee can do it, then so can Itachi, who didn't let two speedsters overwhelm him in combat. Rasangan is a CQC technique as well, so I cannot see how it would land on Itachi given his reflexes and Sharingan.

Itachi has two means to put him in Genjutsu: finger and Sharingan. If people believe that Minato can actually avoid it given his poor and one dimensional fighting style, then they are mistaken. Minato has literally zero ShurikenJutsu, Kenjutsu - or any other weapon - feats. So his specialty solely lies on Teleporting, delivering an absurd slash, and then teleporting away. We saw how Itachi completely parried Bee's 7 sword dance, something Minato never faced.

His sensing is excruciatingly poor, as shown by Zetsu incident. His SM is horrendous by his own admission. What is left behind anyway? Oh wait, nothing. His barrier requires 4 handseals and would be useless in a fight with Itachi, who can rely on crow clones to end the battle sooner than later, unless people here believe that Minato will fight with his eyes closed or by looking at Itachi's feet. It's not happening.

Itachi's seal speed is so fast that Sasuke couldn't read it when he made Bushins. Seriously, stop over-rating this fruit.

That's not necessarily true though. C is a sensor and he fell to Sasuke's Genjutsu. Just because he's a sensor doesn't absolutely mean he's immune.
I know C is most likely nowhere near the same as Minato in sensing, but the same is said of Sasuke compared to Itachi in Genjutsu.

What do you mean no where near him? Chee is an excellent Sensor. Raikage relied on him to locate his brother and Sasuke inside the compound. What are Minato's feats? He couldn't detect Obito getting through a damn barrier? Couldn't sense Obito was his own student? Couldn't sense Zetsu who was sitting right under his nose?

Come on!

 

[Gold Lightning]

Itachi's extremely subtle and non-visual Genjutsus aren't a threat? How so?

His sharingan is no match for Minatos speed. Minato is constantly teleporting and moving, itachi has never faced anyone as fast as him. How is genjutsu even a factor? Then you have shadow clones to distract, feint and confuse itachi. Genjutsu doesn't work on clones. Clones can break the original out of genjutsu (not that it'll ever hit).

Jiraya taught Naruto how to break genjutsu, he would've taught minato as well. Minatos chakra control is one of the greatest. Anything less than Tsukuyomi won't work, and will be broken. Which Hokage has ever been caught in genjutsu? (Not counting Kakashi and Naruto). As long as you don't look directly into their eyes, you won't be caught by sharingan genjutsu. Not that it's possible against mianto anyway. FTG is also a jutsu that doesn't require hand seals. Mianto can use FTG with just a thought process, jutsu and movement can be performed even under Itachis genjutsu (as orochimaru showed). Minato using FTG will disrupt his chakra if he were to be caught by genjutsu. Minato would end to be standing still to be caught by finger genjutsu, mianto isn't the still standing kinda guy.

All big IFs here. I can't see such an opponent being caught by genjutsu.

 

[shelke]

Chiyo and Databook: For a Sharingan, you require TWO people to break its genjutsu.

Minato breaking out of a Sharingan Genjutsu when Genjutsu experts like Kurenai and Orochimaru, and Chee couldn't is a complete joke.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That's not necessarily true though. C is a sensor and he fell to Sasuke's Genjutsu. Just because he's a sensor doesn't absolutely mean he's immune.
I know C is most likely nowhere near the same as Minato in sensing, but the same is said of Sasuke compared to Itachi in Genjutsu.

I never said he's immune I said he'd realize quickly and break it. That's what sensors do. C was caught in a paralysis based genjutsu even if he wanted to break it he couldn't, since he couldn't make the kai seal.

 

[HiddenSound]

His sharingan is no match for Minatos speed. Minato is constantly teleporting and moving, itachi has never faced anyone as fast as him. How is genjutsu even a factor? Then you have shadow clones to distract, feint and confuse itachi. Genjutsu doesn't work on clones. Clones can break the original out of genjutsu (not that it'll ever hit).

Jiraya taught Naruto how to break genjutsu, he would've taught minato as well. Minatos chakra control is one of the greatest. Anything less than Tsukuyomi won't work, and will be broken. Which Hokage has ever been caught in genjutsu? (Not counting Kakashi and Naruto). As long as you don't look directly into their eyes, you won't be caught by sharingan genjutsu. Not that it's possible against mianto anyway. FTG is also a jutsu that doesn't require hand seals. Mianto can use FTG with just a thought process, jutsu and movement can be performed even under Itachis genjutsu (as orochimaru showed). Minato using FTG will disrupt his chakra if he were to be caught by genjutsu. Minato would end to be standing still to be caught by finger genjutsu, mianto isn't the still standing kinda guy.

All big IFs here. I can't see such an opponent being caught by genjutsu.

That's all for Sharingan Genjutsu. What of the Genjutsu that Minato doesn't know he's in? Such as Ephemeral (until it becomes painfully obvious that it's Genjutsu) or the one he used on Naruto. The one when he just wanted to talk before fighting Sasuke. Naruto never saw him but was still under the Genjutsu of a clone.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Itachi wrecks him med-high diff

>Minato has no counter for Tsukyuomi
>Minato cannot bypass Itachi
>Totsuka seals Toads
>If Minato attacks with Rasengan or FTG slashes he will then realize its a crow clone
>Minato's SM is one page of garbage and he claimed its weaker than Jiraiya
>Izanami will end Minato

They say it because he can, as for your list:

-Minato is too fast for Itachi to see or react to Minato's speed so no Genjutsus are going to be cast.

-yes he can, he's faster than A who was too fast for Sasuke to react or see and Sasuke was slower than Itachi but not by much so Itachi would be Sasuke and Minato would be A in that situation.

-Gamabuta and the other giant toads knock Totsuka blade away with their own weapons and there's more of them to overwhelm Susanoo and if they get Amaterasu, Minato can FTG the flames off them since he can choose what he teleports as he FTG himself and Kurama even though he was on Gamabuta.

-Minato's sensory ability would sense if there were a clone and he'll make a clone too and he can tell if he's in a Genjutsu and break it.

-that was Edo Minato who wasn't at full strength due to having his chakra absorb right before plus he never said it was worst than Jiraiya's it's better than Jiraiya who can't even go SM without the Toad Sages. He only said he can't maintain it long and it takes awhile to knead Senjutsu but guess what, Naruto was told that in Pein arc and called it useless so Minato is where Pein arc Naruto is except he doesn't use it because he never had too.

-Clearly you don't read the manga or else you would know Itachi stated that it's not a Jutsu that can be used in real combat and he only could due to being an Edo and having Sasuke protect him as Kabuto did many death blows as Itachi was setting it up. Plus it wouldn't work on Minata who know who he is and doesn't try to define himself by adding pieces of others to himself and say he's them like Kabuto was doing.

 

[HeavenlyFlames]

First off, just because you can defeat someone doesn't necessarily make your stronger.
There's other factors involved in combat.

- Because all MS techniques of itachi are uselss against Minato. FTG alone counters all of them.
- Because Minato is too fast for Itachi
- Because Minato can evade and even redirect anything itachi throws at minato
- Because itachi doesn't have the stamina or chakra to compete with Minato
- Because MS takes a great toll on itachi, while Minato has enormous chakra and can spam teleportation all day long
- Because Minato has faced and easily defeated a much stronger uchiha than Itachi just fine.

Minato doesn't even have to fight really, he can let itachi die of ninja aids, exhaust himself or go blind from MS over usage. And LOL, Izanami can't work on minato.

I guess people will never let that go.
- Obito was controlling Kurama at the same time.

- He beat Minato in base striking speed, so Minato had to resort to using FTG.

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- And Obito was caught off guard (Which was also shown in that last scan, I posted.)

 

[Gold Lightning]

That's all for Sharingan Genjutsu. What of the Genjutsu that Minato doesn't know he's in? Such as Ephemeral (until it becomes painfully obvious that it's Genjutsu) or the one he used on Naruto. The one when he just wanted to talk before fighting Sasuke. Naruto never saw him but was still under the Genjutsu of a clone.

Naruto was stupid and so low level back then. He's the only one to get caught in genjutsu multiple times like that.

First off, just because you can defeat someone doesn't necessarily make your stronger.
There's other factors involved in combat.



I guess people will never let that go.
- Obito was controlling Kurama at the same time.

- He beat Minato in base striking speed, so Minato had to resort to using FTG.

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- And Obito was caught off guard (Which was also shown in that last scan, I posted.)

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Base striking speed? He caught minato in freaking chains because he let minato phase through him? Where is the striking speed here????? It's got nothing to do with striking speed. And Madara was controlling Kurama at the same time while fighting Hashirama. I've never seen anyone take away Hashirama's credit for winning that fight, take that rubbish excuse elsewhere. Obito was caught off guard Loooool. Well yeah, that's what FTG second step does, it's a jutsu to catch the opponent off guard. Minato set it up and it worked, I don't see what your point is. Are you trying to say it was unfair because he was caught off guard? You realise Obito had all the preparation and intel, while minato had nothing right? The battle conditions weren't even in Minatos favour, yet minato still won with ease.

You see how little difficulty he won against an advantageous Obito. Now imagine a 100% serious and focused minato (no restrictions), vs an inferior uchiha with ninja aids and low stamina (that doesn't have space time abilities).

 

[HeavenlyFlames]

Base striking speed? He caught minato in freaking chains because he let minato phase through him? Where is the striking speed here????? It's got nothing to do with striking speed..

You clearly are blinded. They were both going for a final clash, while Minato was beat Obito's base speed, that's when Minato had to use FTG.

And Madara was controlling Kurama at the same time while fighting Hashirama. I've never seen anyone take away Hashirama's credit for winning that fight, take that rubbish excuse elsewhere.

That's mainly because Madara has always been portrayed to have been inferior to Hashirama. Also, Hashirama has already defeated Madara before the fight with Kurama.

Minato set it up and it worked, I don't see what your point is. Are you trying to say it was unfair because he was caught off guard? You realise Obito had all the preparation and intel, while minato had nothing right? The battle conditions weren't even in Minatos favour, yet minato still won with ease. .

Where has it been stated Minato set that up? I am actually lead to believe his first intentions were to beat him in base speed. Because, of what he was thinking. Also, as for catching him off guard, it just means that Obito was being wreck-less at the moment.

To add to that, Minato barely needed intel because Obito's abilities are quite simple (minice the conditions). Even at that point, people like Kakashi and Yamamoto figured out the conditions.

And Obito was in a disadvantage situation, more so then Minato. Since, he was legitimately multi-tasking and wasn't 100% concentrated either while you were pointing out that Minato wasn't 100% concentrated.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Lord have mercy XD.

this kid is asking how minato set up his own jutsu Lol.

Telling me that Obito was at a bigger disadvantage (pre prep, superior space time jutsu, intel on minato, nothing to to lose|meanwhile minato is worriying about his family and village and has 0 intel U_U).

Should've known better to argue with august 2014 member. Can't even spell Minus.

 

[HeavenlyFlames]

Lord have mercy XD.

this kid is asking how minato set up his own jutsu Lol.

Telling me that Obito was at a bigger disadvantage (pre prep, superior space time jutsu, intel on minato, nothing to to lose|meanwhile minato is worriying about his family and village and has 0 intel U_U).

Should've known better to argue with august 2014 member. Can't even spell Minus.

Mate, I shouldn't even have bothered discussing with you, wouldn't the point of a debate be to enlighten a subject? I couldn't expect less from someone who is as biased as it gets.

 

[HeavenlyFlames]

And also, I should be the one laughing here.

Obito was multi-tasking and wasn't concentrated.

Also, as for Minato...he didn't really need intel. He's going at analysing his opponent, as many ninja's are. Obito's ability is quite basic.

And as for my mistake, English is not my first language, taught myself. And it's ironic getting grammar lessons from someone who uses "LOL" and smiley faces continuously in his posts.

May I add, the date I joined is irrelevant in so many ways. And as for this guy using the "kid" as if he's an adult. Mate, you know nothing about me, just crawl back into your hole.