[Discussion] Why ODA?

[bajram]

DJ got out of hand a bit post-ts, Ill give u that but pre-ts was pretty okay I mean he would use the friction to create fire and that's why he was shown spinning until his leg caught fire I mean its not like that would work in real life whatsoever but still its a decent enough explanation for a fantasy manga but the whole hells memories and other things sure got out of hand post-ts, but there is also the comedic relief fact when Sanji turns all SSJ when he gets angry around Nami etc but rarely gets full body fire when hes just normally fighting thats just bizarre if ODA goes that way.

Also again I doubt u can find any big flaws on pre-ts DJ because as I said him causing heat which results in fire is more than enough of an explanation for a shonen manga, like cmon its just as u said the manga is filled with crazy shit and this is pretty acceptable and of course people would risk the DF because mera mera no mi is first of all logia and the fact that u can use it anywhere in ur body and even shot fire at ur opponent but Sanji can use it only on his leg for a short time due to the heat caused in his leg but that was until post-ts where it went all to shit.

 

[ichirou]

One Piece is not a real world.You can't apply real things to One Piece world.What Sanji is doing could be something what minks are doing with electricity.

Is that a part of his haki or something else? Guess we'll find out.

Minks are different, Oda explained that Minks have the inborn talent to produce electricity and put it on their attacks [refer to the manga page where Carrot identified the enemy rabbit from Big Mam's crew as not a mink since he can't produce electricity]. It is some kind of race ability while Sanji on the other hand is a normal human from a family of assasins that have superior technology not another race with inborn ability to produce fire.

I don't get what's the big deal swords men in one piece can send flying slashes vista can make flowers bloom with his swordsman ship. Minks can use electro and characters can add their Haki to items to strength them but sanji being able to ignite into flames is an ass pull. Smh everything is acceptable except sanji being able to burst into flames there is no real world logic to one piece it's has six moons and people living on the moon. This is Oda's creation if you don't like it don't read it why are people trying to dissect his work when it is something he's created from what he wants either enjoy the master piece that is one piece or just stop reading it smh.

I would not have been wasting my time here If I didnt like the manga. I am not comparing One piece to real world stuff I am comparing it to One piece world stuff , the stuff Oda created to make these crazy things make sense in a way.

To others saying that it is Oda's world and he can do anything he wants. Yes this is true but also if you make a story especially one that has been going on for ages you have to set some ground rules to make your story have sense and depth in it. For this reason Oda made Devil Fruits for people who can do supernatural things a normal human can't do and having Sanji, a normal human, sprout flames on his will ,while it is funny, it also contradicts the reasoning of why there is a need for Devil fruits in the first place if anyone could just produce flames if they just have the will to do it. Zoro's Asura is acceptable since his speed creates those mirror images of himself but Igniting in flames like a Mera-mera weilder? No, why Oda?

 

[RJ22BIG]

Minks are different, Oda explained that Minks have the inborn talent to produce electricity and put it on their attacks [refer to the manga page where Carrot identified the enemy rabbit from Big Mam's crew as not a mink since he can't produce electricity]. It is some kind of race ability while Sanji on the other hand is a normal human from a family of assasins that have superior technology not another race with inborn ability to produce fire.



I would not have been wasting my time here If I didnt like the manga. I am not comparing One piece to real world stuff I am comparing it to One piece world stuff , the stuff Oda created to make these crazy things make sense in a way.

To others saying that it is Oda's world and he can do anything he wants. Yes this is true but also if you make a story especially one that has been going on for ages you have to set some ground rules to make your story have sense and depth in it. For this reason Oda made Devil Fruits for people who can do supernatural things a normal human can't do and having Sanji, a normal human, sprout flames on his will ,while it is funny, it also contradicts the reasoning of why there is a need for Devil fruits in the first place if anyone could just produce flames if they just have the will to do it. Zoro's Asura is acceptable since his speed creates those mirror images of himself but Igniting in flames like a Mera-mera weilder? No, why Oda?

That makes no sense zoro's Ashura makes sense that's a human can resemble a mythical deity but sanji can't burst into flames. Zoro's Ashura isn't his speed making after images because in both situations of him using Ashura he isn't moving and Oda has never explained as after images he literally sprouts extra limbs. In the case of sanji Oda stated that do to the trama he under went during his training he can burst into flames. Also you saying the reason Oda made devil fruits for those who can do supernatural things that's not true when you have whitebeard you can stop enormous ships with one hand. Mihawk who can slice ships in half and throw giant slashes that go on for miles. cp9 who can fly and use Kami and storm leg. Fish an who can materialize water out of nowhere like the water bullet technique. Zoro has his demons and minks have electro devil fruits weren't made for those who have great power it's just one faction of power within the one piece world.

 

[ichirou]

That makes no sense zoro's Ashura makes sense that's a human can resemble a mythical deity but sanji can't burst into flames. Zoro's Ashura isn't his speed making after images because in both situations of him using Ashura he isn't moving and Oda has never explained as after images he literally sprouts extra limbs. In the case of sanji Oda stated that do to the trama he under went during his training he can burst into flames. Also you saying the reason Oda made devil fruits for those who can do supernatural things that's not true when you have whitebeard you can stop enormous ships with one hand. Mihawk who can slice ships in half and throw giant slashes that go on for miles. cp9 who can fly and use Kami and storm leg. Fish an who can materialize water out of nowhere like the water bullet technique. Zoro has his demons and minks have electro devil fruits weren't made for those who have great power it's just one faction of power within the one piece world.

@ Bolded

Supernatural things meaning those that can only be made by some sort of magic i.e making flames, cutting ones body parts into millions of pieces, stretching one's body like rubber, growing body parts out of nowhere and etc. The bolded exaples you said are feats of strength and are "normal" in OP verse when you achieve a high amount of strength and skill but enveloping yourself into flames at your will due to extended rubbing? and making others burn when you use those flames on them is no feat of strength but by magic which should only be able to be produced by having eaten a devil fruit. The Cp9 thing is acceptable because Oda explained and added a basis on it, that from extended training of the body these techniques are possible in OPverse but there was no basis made from Oda about making flames out of nowhere except trauma from his training. If the trauma really is the basis then we readers would then make all future characters in OPverse who experience trauma in training would magically have the power to burst into flames.

@Italic

This is also acceptable because fishman is another race and Oda had given them the racial capability to make water out of nothing thus making it understable in the world of One Piece. Same as the minks who have the racial ability to make electricity. Sanji on the other hand is a normal human and Oda made humans in One piece need to EAT A DEVIL FRUIT to make things like making flames a possibility.

 

[Love Cook]

I always saw those Enies lobby abilities as a manifestation of uncontrolled and unconscious haki.

There are way may examples than just Sanji and Zoro. In the war of the best a lot of New World pirates were fighting with these abilities. There was a guy that could light his sword on fire with his cigar and Thunder lord McGuy had an electric ability.

So that got me thinking that those moves might be a next level haki ability. Where you can harden your leg (CoA) so much that it can withstand so much friction that you can take the heat. Or how (CoO) observation haki just overflows so much that an illusionairy technique like Asura becomes reality for a short period.

Also limit your arguments to Sanji's leg, him being covered fully in flames and exploding is obviously for comedy effects.

Also this entire thread is non-sense even if there wasn't a logical explanation. Franky got run over by a train, turned himself in a super cyborg, and somehow that is enough to explain where his powers come from, but if a character spins fast enough to set his leg on fire that is pushing it.

 

[WhistleBlower]

I hope Oda goes into details with this and provides a solution like "Sanji's shoes ate a flame type devil fruit that is why it produces flames not just heat"

Enough internet for today. Im calling it a night. Laterzzz XD

 

[chopstickchakra]

Minks are different, Oda explained that Minks have the inborn talent to produce electricity and put it on their attacks [refer to the manga page where Carrot identified the enemy rabbit from Big Mam's crew as not a mink since he can't produce electricity]. It is some kind of race ability while Sanji on the other hand is a normal human from a family of assasins that have superior technology not another race with inborn ability to produce fire.

I would not have been wasting my time here If I didnt like the manga. I am not comparing One piece to real world stuff I am comparing it to One piece world stuff , the stuff Oda created to make these crazy things make sense in a way.

To others saying that it is Oda's world and he can do anything he wants. Yes this is true but also if you make a story especially one that has been going on for ages you have to set some ground rules to make your story have sense and depth in it. For this reason Oda made Devil Fruits for people who can do supernatural things a normal human can't do and having Sanji, a normal human, sprout flames on his will ,while it is funny, it also contradicts the reasoning of why there is a need for Devil fruits in the first place if anyone could just produce flames if they just have the will to do it. Zoro's Asura is acceptable since his speed creates those mirror images of himself but Igniting in flames like a Mera-mera weilder? No, why Oda?

It's not like the Mera Mera at all I don't know why you keep saying that. Sanji doesn't produce fire out of his legs, his leg doesn't become intangible. Sanji creates a heat around his foot comparable to a hot flame and it's depicted for us the audience in a red glowing fashion. It's like asking why is haki black, so we can see it, why is Sanji's leg red during DJ, so we can see it. It's just a representation of the heat produced in his kicks. There's also always the possibility that it and Asura are manifestations of will yet to be explained.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Kaku says that he creates the Asura aura through his sheer will, or at least, that's the way it appears and our closest explanation. If I recall correctly, the term Haki hadn't been introduced yet, and Haki means "Will." It's kinda possible that maybe Oda intended for this to be an allusion to Haki, and we didn't realize.

 

[RJ22BIG]

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Kaku says that he creates the Asura aura through his sheer will, or at least, that's the way it appears and our closest explanation. If I recall correctly, the term Haki hadn't been introduced yet, and Haki means "Will." It's kinda possible that maybe Oda intended for this to be an allusion to Haki, and we didn't realize.

I agree with you whole heartedly it's something yet to be fully explained yet can be a deeper faction of Haki. Also when explaining the DJ Oda was asked why doesn't it burn sanji's leg he replied while the DJ is hot sanji's spirit burns harder and spirit was later defined as the grounds of armament Haki

 

[bajram]

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Kaku says that he creates the Asura aura through his sheer will, or at least, that's the way it appears and our closest explanation. If I recall correctly, the term Haki hadn't been introduced yet, and Haki means "Will." It's kinda possible that maybe Oda intended for this to be an allusion to Haki, and we didn't realize.

Honestly Asura shouldnt even be discussed, the ability is fine and it has a decent enough explanation and we may even get more the next time Zoro actually uses it again and neither is Sanjis DJ pre-TS the only problem overall should be the overuse of fire post-TS which comes out stupid time to time and there is the fact that at times I dont even know if its for comedic purposes or not for ex. vs Wadatsumi, if Oda keeps it normal against further opponents Sanji will fight im all ok even with DJ.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Honestly Asura shouldnt even be discussed, the ability is fine and it has a decent enough explanation and we may even get more the next time Zoro actually uses it again and neither is Sanjis DJ pre-TS the only problem overall should be the overuse of fire post-TS which comes out stupid time to time and there is the fact that at times I dont even know if its for comedic purposes or not for ex. vs Wadatsumi, if Oda keeps it normal against further opponents Sanji will fight im all ok even with DJ.

Sengoku has a devil fruit that turns him into a golden Buddha. Zoro can grow limbs and take on the form of a deity with no solid explanation from the creator of one piece and no devil fruit and that's fine but if sanji through the trama he underwent during his training can burst into flames that's total bs but zoro is fine. It's weird but a lot of this looks like sanji bashing when other characters have these weird abilities but his is a problem smh.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Honestly Asura shouldnt even be discussed, the ability is fine and it has a decent enough explanation and we may even get more the next time Zoro actually uses it again and neither is Sanjis DJ pre-TS the only problem overall should be the overuse of fire post-TS which comes out stupid time to time and there is the fact that at times I dont even know if its for comedic purposes or not for ex. vs Wadatsumi, if Oda keeps it normal against further opponents Sanji will fight im all ok even with DJ.

How do we know it's not just a visual representation of the heat his kicks produce done so us audience members know when he's throwing harder kicks?