Why Obito & Minato are smarter than Itachi

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ObiTo was his own student he should have been able to figure it out if he was so smart.

That's the thing too, Mi.ato doesn't think outside the box.
 

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One more thing, Itachi is to Sasuke what Minato is to Naruto.

Both of them died to give their loved ones power (Kurama and Mangekyo Sharingan).

Both made an elaborate plan for the future of their loved one:

Itachi: To give Sasuke power, have Sasuke kill him, make Uchiha clan regain honor.

Minato: To give Naruto power, stop hatred, save the ninja world.

The only problem here is that technically, Sasuke did the antithetical while Minato is so far actually succeeding with his plan. Sasuke went on to betray the village which Itachi loved.

However, I think Itachi succeeded by predicting that Sasuke would fall into the Curse of Hatred and made several steps in order to help bring him back to the light.
 

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In 2minutes, Minato was able to notice Tobi wasn't Madara. In decades Itachi never knew Tobi wasn't Madara despite the guy having being his mentor for quite some time. In fact, he got fooled by the guy so badly that Tobi knew almost everything concerning Itachi without him even noticing. Minato has shown a similar capacity if not greater than Itachi when he was able to read through Bee's heart just after seeing him once, knowing the real reason behind his strength, something that A only noticed decades after during this war, he knew Tobi would be the cause of disaster after observing him, like he predicted Naruto would be the one to save the world. Minato actually despite being much less present in this manga than Itachi, has shown greater feats in terms of insight abilities or seeing through people. Minato managed to hit Tobi which few people have done and formed a quick plan he was also able to analyze Kakashi's chidori in a matter of seconds and tell him his flaws of it.

Obito has intelligence feats that surpasses Itachi's in my opinion, one of the smartest guys in the series as far as analytical, strategical, and planning abilities go. A real genius Madara trained him well. He not only used a bunch of power-house freaks but also deceived most of them into thinking he was a newbie to the organization and ultimately hid his real plan from them all. He controlled the Mizukage for years with his genjutsu. Foresaw Itachi dying, fooled and knew everything concerning him to the very end. Every time Naruto and co. threw a wrench into his plans, he would look at zetsu and say onto plan B, he always had a backup plan when things went wrong. He didn't even need Madara to go through with Infinite Tsukuyomi. Obito knew everything about the Uchiha clan secrets, techniques & everything about the shonibi world. But most people overlook all of that.

While Itachi is very smart, too many people over-exaggerate his capabilities. If he was really that discerning, he wouldn't have gotten manipulated so bad, and misjudge Sasuke by a mile. Now I'm not bashing Itachi, he is a good character, but rarely do I run into anyone here that can look at him objectively.

He believed he was Madara til he drew his last breath.
 

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Obito: yes.
Minato: not really, he analyzed kamui cuz he happened to fight it, yet he failed to see his student in the enemy.
Minato could never identify Obito.Here why ....
Cuz at there time Obito had not Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan ....
Tobirama said when you activate this eyes, then a new chakra will burn in his body .
Obitos Hate : He was in this time in a ****ing darkness, it also would had chanched his chakra.
Even Karin the best sonsor ninja could not see Sasuke as he fought Danzo ( cuz of his strong dark chakra)

Obitos one body half is made from Hashiramas DNA

Nobody could sense Obito in Tobi......
 

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Obito is one of the biggest fools/mainpulated retards in the manga.

@ some people
Itachi had reasoning of Hokage at 7(not 9 years old)
Itachi was spying on Obito and akatsuki, he wasnt manipulated by Obito. What the hell manga are you reading?


Minato and Itachi are both up there. Both of them being able to see through jutsus and finding a weakness, both of them are quick thinkers.

Personally I'd put Itachi above Minato, simply because Itachi never ****s around.

We have seen Minato act goofy a few times during the war, Itachi wouldn't be like that and is more calm than Minato.
But whatever, they are both top5.
 

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Obito is one of the biggest fools/mainpulated retards in the manga.

@ some people
Itachi had reasoning of Hokage at 7(not 9 years old)
Itachi was spying on Obito and akatsuki, he wasnt manipulated by Obito. What the hell manga are you reading?


Minato and Itachi are both up there. Both of them being able to see through jutsus and finding a weakness, both of them are quick thinkers.

Personally I'd put Itachi above Minato, simply because Itachi never ****s around.

We have seen Minato act goofy a few times during the war, Itachi wouldn't be like that and is more calm than Minato.
But whatever, they are both top5.
@bold

Which he completely stunk at doing, since he gave pretty much no intel to Konoha about any of the Akatsuki members. To make things worse, Obito KNEW he was a spy/double agent. Itachi was a braindead fool for doing nothing to stop the Akatsuki, and instead tried to be a "double agent" which Obito knew about from the start.(and which he failed at, given his partner Kisame knew more about the plan than he did-LOL!)

@underlined
And he had the reasoning of a 5 year old when he was 17, given the sheer stupidity of his actions while he was an Akatsuki member. By feats, Minato and Obito shit on Itachi intelligence wise.
 
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@bold

Which he completely stunk at doing, since he gave pretty much no intel to Konoha about any of the Akatsuki members. To make things worse, Obito KNEW he was a spy/double agent. Itachi was a braindead fool for doing nothing to stop the Akatsuki, and instead tried to be a "double agent" which Obito knew about from the start.(and which he failed at, given his partner Kisame knew more about the plan than he did-LOL!)

@underlined
And he had the reasoning of a 5 year old when he was 17, given the sheer stupidity of his actions while he was an Akatsuki member. By feats, Minato and Obito shit on Itachi intelligence wise.
@bold
Retarded statements
If he attacked Akatsuki from the inside, he couldnt spy anything anymore could he? The bijuus were no more haunted. Where is the plot in that?

By feats, Obito is an idiot who got played his whole entire life by Madara, nothing more than Madara's pawn.

There is absolutely no feat to backup Obito being smarter than Itachi. Obito knew he was a spy, most likely Itachi knew that as well. and what?

Minato is on par with Itachi, obito is nothing more than a cynical emo stupid kid. Nothing he ever did proved that he was smart. Being able to manipulate a teenager(Nagato) into becoming partner with Obito is not a feat.
Obito is nothing more but a fool with his head clouded by hate.

Kakashi is twice as smart as him, combat wise as well as more calm, collected, more intelligent.

L.E.: Just noticed. "Reasoning of a 5 year old when he was 17". haha. Seems legit.
 
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Minato is a definite no.

His reasoning for saying that it wasn't Madara was that he couldn't have lived that long and he was dead, something that was completely possible for Madara to do.

In fact, it makes Minato seem like more of a dunce when it was his very own student.

Not to mention his whole plan for Naruto was based on some huge gamble that he was the chosen one.

Obito is more debatable I think, but he's still below Itachi imo.
Stop lying! Minato never gave any reason for saying it's not Madara. He simply said it can't be Madara without giving a reason, and then went on to say that it didn't matter whether it was him or not because the conclusion is the same, he has to defeat the guy before he goes back to Konoha.
 

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Stop lying! Minato never gave any reason for saying it's not Madara. He simply said it can't be Madara without giving a reason, and then went on to say that it didn't matter whether it was him or not because the conclusion is the same, he has to defeat the guy before he goes back to Konoha.
Which is hilarious

Minato without intel beforehand could make up a strategy in only minutes, while Obito, knew all of his sensei's techniques still couldnt make a strategy to beat him.

Shows how much of an impotent he is. They say he smarted than the guy who had wisdom of hokage at 7 years old =D =D
 

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Stop lying! Minato never gave any reason for saying it's not Madara. He simply said it can't be Madara without giving a reason, and then went on to say that it didn't matter whether it was him or not because the conclusion is the same, he has to defeat the guy before he goes back to Konoha.
No, he said that it couldn't be him because he was dead. If you want you can go check. It's chapter 502.
 

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Stop lying! Minato never gave any reason for saying it's not Madara. He simply said it can't be Madara without giving a reason, and then went on to say that it didn't matter whether it was him or not because the conclusion is the same, he has to defeat the guy before he goes back to Konoha.
No, he said that it couldn't be him because he was dead. If you want you can go check. It's chapter 502.
 
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