why naruto isnt a hardworker or underdog

[Shruikan]

Only Kushina had amazing Stamina.

Such delusion.Naruto inherited traits of both parents.He also has amazing stamina.The guy was able to enter Sage Mode 3 times after intense training,battle ALL 6 Paths of Pain,enter Kurama mode,revert back to his normal self and yet muster enough strength to spawn a whole field of clones to stop Deva Path and even after that Katsuyu said "He is just a little fatigued" Lol

And which was curse for him all his life before KCM training

We are arguing hard work here.Its no secret that Kurama got him out of tight spots in most fights.The moment the enemy pushed him back,Kurama was like his SSJ mode he had since beginning.Neji,Haku,Oro,Kimimaroo,Sasuke.So many fights,which technically Kurama fought

Only Kakashi was a genius

Agreed.Sasuke was tutored by Kakashi and Oro while Naruto by Kakashi and JMan.It evens out

Also Sasuke had no monster which tried to kill him every time when he use his power.

Kurama saved him most times than kill him.And most of the times thanks to his excpetional life force he was never in that much dange.

Naruto proved by his actions that he deserves their powers.

Nope.They were handed down like freebies

 

[Char Aznable]

Naruto has his huge chakra reserves and life force as he is Uzumaki. He mostly relied on Kurama to get him out of tight fixes till the Pain Arc otherwise he would have lost against Neji,Haku and Kimmimarro and many others.He learnt Rasen shuriken through high number of clones which is the conseqence of him having large naturally gifted reserves not everyone has. RSM and KCM were just a hand down powerups.
In Part 1 Naruto was about hard work. Part 2 is where he became a super saiyan with huge OP blasts and shit like Dragonball Z:Reloaded

Only thing he did hard work with is the Sage mode training and Rasengan

@Bold
I wouldn't say KCM was a handed down power up since Naruto did have to train and fight in order to get Kurama's power. Assistance from Kushina (to subjugate) and Killer Bee on how to do it. Killer Bee doing most of the lecturing on how Bijuu forms work and the dangers. As well assisting Naruto in fighting Kurama.

Also Naruto did have to learn how to create wind chakra. Something Asuma lectured him on. How to form it, what to think about when channeling wind energy and why use wind with an edge weapon. Something Kakashi didn't know or articulate to Naruto. While the taiyu kage bushin was a speed of plot contrivance. Naruto still did have to work hard in order to combine the rasengan and wind chakra to make rasenshuriken. A jutsu he didn't really perfect until learning sage mode and practicing in secret.

I wouldn't say Naruto was DBZ level broken until he got KCM. Early Part 2 Naruto seemed average IMO. Kishi nerfed him to much at the start and then suddenly had to speed him up to Kage level by the Pein arc.

Everyone in naruto borrows power that's not the problem .I'm talking about how he went from a loser who barely manged to learn rasengan to a genius who is able to merge his chakra with someone else's on the first try.........

There is a precedent established with Naruto. Learning sage mode involves taking Naruto's physical and spiritual chakra and combining it with nature energy and forming a synergy between the 3. The same principle is applied when using bijuu chakra mode. Combining a jins own physical and spiritual energy with that of a bijuus. This takes extreme amounts of chakra control. We know the penalty of molding sage chakra incorrectly; petrification and we know what happens if you try to use the bijuus chakra without control. The bijuu will consume their jins chakra and takeover. Naruto managed both feats BEFORE Kurama decided he would cooperate with Naruto and give him his chakra.

So when we see Naruto combine chakra with Sasuke to form a kyubi susanno and later combine chakra with Hinata to destroy the tensigan; we know there is a precedent for Naruto merge and balance chakras.

Lol You're right, Sasuke didn't work at all to kill Itachi.

That's not the issue. With Naruto we at least SEE him training and learning to do something he couldn't do before. With Sasuke, he's given new OP abilities just by nature of his bloodlines. MS, Amaterasu, Enton, Susanno, EMS (amping his already OP MS techniques), rinnegan with more OP abilities. Etc etc.

 

[Ultimateone]

reading your thread, i don't think you comprehend what certain words mean. such words as underdog and hard working, for example. just so we are clear, getting a forbbiden scroll is not a cheat code. naruto's worst jutsu ever was the clone jutsu. he decides that whatever jutsu is the first in the scroll is what he would do. shadow clone was the first and even harder than the clone jutsu he was terrible at. what did he do. he trained all night to learn a jutsu. how is that not hard work? it's not like the scroll insta gave him the ability to use the jutsu. whe he learned the rasengan and the rasenshuriken are also examples of hard work. just because he was able to use a special training method doesn't discount the hard work. it's called using the tools at your disposal. it's like saying, just because someone can afford a tutor means that he doesn't work hard to get better grades. the fact is, all it did was cut down the learning time. it did not however make it easier. for sage mode just because you have the requirements for something, doesn't mean that you don't have to work to achieve or do whatever it is that needs to be done. it is said that it's impossible if you don't have those 2 things. but as the toad sage said, it's still insanely difficult. the fact that naruto mastered it to a greater extent than jiraiya in such a short time is testament to his hard work. also, with kcm, i guess you forgot the part where he trained with bee to get used to his new chakra mode. i just don't think you know wha hardwork means, so i'm not even gonna bring up any other time, as i feel i made my point.

as for the underdog thing. naruto was an underdog for all of part one and the beginning of part 2. since i suspect you don't know what an underdog is, let me explain. a person, team, etc., that is expected to lose a contest or battle. or a less powerful person or thing that struggles against a more powerful person or thing. if that doesn't describe naruto, i don't know what does.

 

[JackelLord]

Again with this Topic.

The Underdog/Hardwork theme of Naruto's character died in Shippuden. That is all

End of Discussion

 

[take it easy]

Such delusion.Naruto inherited traits of both parents.He also has amazing stamina.The guy was able to enter Sage Mode 3 times after intense training,battle ALL 6 Paths of Pain,enter Kurama mode,revert back to his normal self and yet muster enough strength to spawn a whole field of clones to stop Deva Path and even after that Katsuyu said "He is just a little fatigued" Lol

What delusion ? Minato wasn't famous for his stamina unlike Kushina.

We are arguing hard work here.Its no secret that Kurama got him out of tight spots in most fights.The moment the enemy pushed him back,Kurama was like his SSJ mode he had since beginning.Neji,Haku,Oro,Kimimaroo,Sasuke.So many fights,which technically Kurama fought

Technically Kurama fought only against Deva pain, Haku and Oro, any other time Naruto could control his power.

Agreed.Sasuke was tutored by Kakashi and Oro while Naruto by Kakashi and JMan.It evens out

Nope. Sasuke had two genius teacher.

Kurama saved him most times than kill him.And most of the times thanks to his excpetional life force he was never in that much dange.

Jiraya said that his chakra will be shortened Naruto's life span

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[Rikodou Mode]

Lol, he always was, his chakra was too strong for him to control as a child. He was always forced to put in triple amounts of effort for what other shinobi did. No other child controlled their chakra with a bijuu taking over their body. U_U

 

[Xlad]

Cheat-codes? Were you dropped on your head?

They are scrolls containing information about jutsus, Let me guess anybody who has ever read a book and gained knowledge or skill has been using cheat codes?

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Dear god

We should probably throw any newborns into forest with zero human contact and books because we don't want them becoming cheaters.

He also mentioned that he has three girlfriends. Lol Seriously though, the arguments about why he wasn't an underdog or a hardworker is mindboggling.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Apparently some idiots forgot about the ransengan and ransenshuriken training.

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Naruto trains so hard, he passes out, so anyone that says he doesn't train hard is an idiot flat-out. You can argue for the ease of some of his abilities, but Naruto is, without a doubt, a hard worker. [/THREAD]

 

[KingHashirama]

Naruto sucked at chakra control and then made the pinnacle of chakra control techs: rasengan. Naruto sucked at clones amd then made a forbidden clone tech his number one jutsu. How is that not hard work?

And being a person who no one likes when your goal is to be acknowledged by everyone in the village does make you an underdog.

All the free powerups you speak of were only possible because he got acknowledged and then others started helping him along the way. But none of that would've happened if not for his hard work.

Naruto.. pinnacle of chakra control?? What??

All we saw him do was make rasengans woth diferent Chakras and give away chakra..

 

[V h o]

I disagree, Naruto was an idiot. All his efforts came from training.

 

[Shruikan]

What delusion ? Minato wasn't famous for his stamina unlike Kushina.

I was talking about Naruto's exceptional stamina simply coz he is Uzumaki

Technically Kurama fought only against Deva pain, Haku and Oro, any other time Naruto could control his power.

Still half of the work done by kurama.It was noted the every time he used it that the chakra had a mind of its own

Jiraya said that his chakra will be shortened Naruto's life span

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Doesnt change the fact that he used it for prolonged periods without damage.Sasuke's cursed seal also had similar consequences but nothing happened

 

[LeSauce]

Apparently some idiots forgot about the ransengan and ransenshuriken training.

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Naruto trains so hard, he passes out, so anyone that says he doesn't train hard is an idiot flat-out. You can argue for the ease of some of his abilities, but Naruto is, without a doubt, a hard worker. [/THREAD]

To be fair, most people train that hard. Sasuke's hobby is training and he trained just as hard as Naruto when they were learning chakra control, yet he isn't considered a hard worker.

As well, Naruto mastered that in a week and Kakashi couldn't even do it after 3 years. Naruto isn't a hard worker, he's a genius.

 

[Shruikan]

Are people forgetting that while Naruto and Jiraiya were just screwing around in the time skip,Sasuke actually did REAL training and surpassed him too?Naruto had to resort to using his clones to catch up which is in a way cheating

 

[Adam Driver]

This thread made me lose IQ points and has brought down the average IQ of narutobase.

Same here Lol

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Naruto is a hard worker. Sure Kyuubi and Life force helped but he still needed to train and master his techniques. Rasengan, shadow clone, Rasenshuriken, and SM aren't going to master themselves.

 

[take it easy]

I was talking about Naruto's exceptional stamina simply coz he is Uzumaki

I was talking about that he inherited his stamina only from mother.

Still half of the work done by kurama.It was noted the every time he used it that the chakra had a mind of its own

He couldn't beat even 1 body, yet he made half of work. Lol

Doesn't change the fact that he used it for prolonged periods without damage.Sasuke's cursed seal also had similar consequences but nothing happened

Cursed seal don't affect on your lifespan nor burns your skin to a crisp.

 

[lndra]

Are people forgetting that while Naruto and Jiraiya were just screwing around in the time skip,Sasuke actually did REAL training and surpassed him too?Naruto had to resort to using his clones to catch up which is in a way cheating

Are you forgetting that Jiraiya had to teach Naruto the basics over a two-three year time period, while Sasuke already mastered such? That's why he was able to progressive so far because he was already a genius in the other categories that Naruto lacked skill, knowledge, and expertise in. Which is why instead of crafting new techniques, he had to grow on what he knew already. Using his current techniques with their own combined versatility.

Which is why a majority of Part two consisted of Naruto training, constantly.

 

[UzumakiWade]

In the end, no one is a hard worker, because guess what, chakra all comes from the juubi, so everyone's chakra is not their own, they never worked for chakra. So i don't see why your stating specifically Naruto when everyone is the same, like Obito and etc.

As for being an underdog, this is opinion based, unless you have the opinion from every fan of the manga in the world about who you think would win in any fight which Naruto was included in. He could be, or he couldn't be, we'll never know.

 

[Shruikan]

I was talking about that he inherited his stamina only from mother.

Okay

He couldn't beat even 1 body, yet he made half of work. Lol

Explain.I didnt get what you said.What one body?

Cursed seal don't affect on your lifespan nor burns your skin to a crisp.

Prolonged usage of the cursed seal corrodes the body

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Are you forgetting that Jiraiya had to teach Naruto the basics over a two-three year time period, while Sasuke already mastered such? That's why he was able to progressive so far because he was already a genius in the other categories that Naruto lacked skill, knowledge, and expertise in. Which is why instead of crafting new techniques, he had to grow on what he knew already. Using his current techniques with their own combined versatility.

Personally Kakashi wold have done a better job but thats jus twhat I feel.He didnt even tell Naruto about using clones t ospeed up training
Sasuke took his training much more seriously because of his brother.He was shown taking out an entire field of Sound Jonin for training

Which is why a majority of Part two consisted of Naruto training, constantly.

Uh Sasuke also trained except his methods are more dojutsu based so of course they arent gonna be like Naruto

 

[lndra]

Uh Sasuke also trained except his methods are more dojutsu based so of course they arent gonna be like Naruto

Sasuke's training stopped in Part two because he was already a full-fledged shinobi. Once he activated MS, it was up to pure talent at that point in which the Mangekyo Techniques ''appeared" from thin air. I do not remember him actually training for his Susano'o evolutions, they responded to his emotions, and Kagutsuchi just worked when he wanted to save Karin. Amaterasu came with no prior use besides the Itachi transcription seal either.

So this MS training thing is pretty funny when he never actually spent more than a single panel training for it.