why naruto isnt a hardworker or underdog

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i know some of you want to cry foul immediately but im going to explain why naruto isnt a hardworker or an underdog and NEVER WAS.

people think he is simply because it was told to them.. over and over and over and over again to the point that they were indoctrinated into thinking it was true. naruto isnt either of those things. ill list then explain why 1. body of the sage 2. asura incarnation/host 3. kyuubi 4. tailed beasts 5. genius parents 6. genius teachers 7. free power ups.

now ill get thre pre time skip stuff out of the way where the BULK of the hard working nonsense is that was later prooved to be simply not true.

little kid naruto: he had a rough life no one liked him and the like however this doesnt equate to being the underdog or hardworking. all he needed to do was prove he wasnt the bad person they thought he was (which he does later) instead he wasted his time pranking and vandalizing things giving people a valid reason not to like him. yes he lost sparring fights to sasuke however this naruto never really trained so ofcourse hed lose to the sauce man and in either case they are barely older than toddlers his body hasnt developed yet enough to be a failure or success.

genin naruto: this is probably one of the third biggest hypocrite version of him. this is the one that old konohamaru that theres no short cuts yet was the same one who basically stole a scroll full of cheat codes so he could become a genin. yes he learned things and he learned them fast however thats a testimate to his naturally powerful body, good genes, and great teachers. nothing was hard for him except when someone ELSE made it hard for him example. when he tried to learn water walking it was only tough because the seal messing up his chakra when it was removed he mastered it instantly. another example when he tried learning summoning it wasnt hard jiraiya was just making him try to summon with almost no chakra. this guy was chunin level and able to fight kage level people like gaara (albeit kazekage level)

early time skip naruto: he didnt have to work for anything he just needed to get mad and daddy kurama would take care of EVERYTHING for him. the only thing he worked for was wind style rasengan which again he got fairly easily because of his body it only took what was supposed to take years a few days. true he was weaker than sasuke but then again this naruto was already jonin level easily

sage mode naruto: this one is supposedly supposed to be the pinnacle of his hard work. however it was pretty much literally said that if you dont have high chakra reserves and a strong body you cant master this.. and guess what naruto was born with more than anyone else? chakra and a strong body.. he had 4 times more chakra than kakashi as a kid if im not mistaken no telling how much it increased when he turned into a teenager especially when you count kurama. he also mastered this in less than a week it had nothing to do with hard work when u have a god body that can handle it. heck even madara mastered sm in an instant with his god body this guy is kage level

kcm-bsm: no need to really go into detail. his mom and killer bee pretty much saved his ass and helped him "beat" kurama for a power up that he also pretty much instantly mastered. there was only one instance of him "not having full control over it" and that was when he blitzed kisame and his foot got stuck that only happened simply because he didnt know how fast he was with his new power. after that every form of this was instant mastered. heck he even had zero trouble balancing his chakra, spirit energy, senjutsu, and kuramas full power once kurama let him use sm. this one is high kage level

rsm: need i really explain this one? die and become a freaking godly god slayer stronger than all the other sky gods? his power level still doesnt make to much sense if he had the sun and moon seals on his own hands im almost 100% certain he couldve beaten both madara and kaguya in 1v1 fights.

in the end naruto is not really a hardworker he just wants you to believe it.
 

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Can we talk about Obito ?
 

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I really thought that you're going to explain it well but oh well......you're just whining ,training is training despite the help you get from others,and actually sage mode is hard to master,even a sannin like jiraya wasn't able to prefect it.Also Being blessed with good body and genes doesn't automatically decrease The difficulty of your training process

I agree ,naruto isn't really a hard worker but this thread is really useless
 

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I really thought that you're going to explain it well but oh well......you're just whining ,training is training despite the help you get from others,and actually sage mode is hard to master,even a sannin like jiraya wasn't able to prefect it.Also Being blessed with good body and genes doesn't automatically decrease The difficulty of your training process

I agree ,naruto isn't really a hard worker but this thread is really useless

Yes it is
 

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I've always made thread about this issues with Naruto and yeah his hardwork theme is gone because he was always destined to be Great, and it's funny how he try to advise obito to take the long cut and yet Naruto had always taking shortcut training due to his royal bloodline, his genes can easily adept his fight process faster. Naruto become one of the most biggest Hypocritical Shonen character I've seen and yet people try to attempt to argue that Naruto was never about Hardwork. -_-
 

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naruto was a piece of shit loser back then. Remember when Sasuke called him a loser? LOL. Naruto was a dumb ass too. During Chunnin he didnt answer 1 question.

Naruto is a hardworker. However, he is not talented. And btw just because your parents are genius doesnt mean shit when you did not inherit any of their talents. Its like saying a kid with down syndrome is special because his dad is President. LOL. Denying facts. Naruto was a loser.
 

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This thread made me lose IQ points and has brought down the average IQ of narutobase.
 

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I really thought that you're going to explain it well but oh well......you're just whining ,training is training despite the help you get from others,and actually sage mode is hard to master,even a sannin like jiraya wasn't able to prefect it.Also Being blessed with good body and genes doesn't automatically decrease The difficulty of your training process

I agree ,naruto isn't really a hard worker but this thread is really useless

He works harder than Sasuke. Everything Sasuke has was "given" to him.

Natural talent from being an Uchiha

Learning chidori and Lee's taijutsu from sharingan and Kakashi

Curse Mark from Oro

Snake Summons from Oro

MS + Amaterasu from Itachi

EMS are Itachi's eyes. After Sasuke was a reckless dickhead and used up his eyes in a single day.

Rinnegan from Hagormo
 

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genin naruto: this is probably one of the third biggest hypocrite version of him. this is the one that old konohamaru that theres no short cuts yet was the same one who basically stole a scroll full of cheat codes so he could become a genin.

Cheat-codes? Were you dropped on your head?

They are scrolls containing information about jutsus, Let me guess anybody who has ever read a book and gained knowledge or skill has been using cheat codes?

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Dear god

We should probably throw any newborns into forest with zero human contact and books because we don't want them becoming cheaters.
 

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naruto was a piece of shit loser back then. Remember when Sasuke called him a loser? LOL. Naruto was a dumb ass too. During Chunnin he didnt answer 1 question.

Naruto is a hardworker. However, he is not talented. And btw just because your parents are genius doesnt mean shit when you did not inherit any of their talents. Its like saying a kid with down syndrome is special because his dad is President. LOL. Denying facts. Naruto was a loser.

HAHAHAHA sasuke called him a LOSER because he was JEALOUS of him he even admits it! and having a body from a literal god that was strong because of their body automatically makes you talented. and just because youre president doesnt mean youre a genius just ask george bush.
 

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Cheat-codes? Were you dropped on your head?

They are scrolls containing information about jutsus, Let me guess anybody who has ever read a book and gained knowledge or skill has been using cheat codes?

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Dear god

he told konohamaru not to take short cuts and took one himself.
 

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He works harder than Sasuke. Everything Sasuke has was "given" to him.

Natural talent from being an Uchiha

Learning chidori and Lee's taijutsu from sharingan and Kakashi

Curse Mark from Oro

Snake Summons from Oro

MS + Amaterasu from Itachi

EMS are Itachi's eyes. After Sasuke was a reckless dickhead and used up his eyes in a single day.

Rinnegan from Hagormo

he did NOT work harder than sasuke they literally had the same amount of handed out power ups it just so happens that narutos were better so he only needed fewer.

1. body of naturally strong people with amazing stamina

2. inherited massive chakra reserves from his mom

3. born with a monster that has infinite power

4. every teacher he ever had was a master genius etc

5. everytime he struggled with anything his power battery of a monster decided to help him and made all of his troubles go away sasuke didnt and never did have this

6. could only learn most of the things he learned because his body

7. given power by a god and for some reason made him many times stronger than someone who received the same from from the same god

8. 8 other power battery monsters that wanted to help him because he was nice to them.
 

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Naruto sucked at chakra control and then made the pinnacle of chakra control techs: rasengan. Naruto sucked at clones amd then made a forbidden clone tech his number one jutsu. How is that not hard work?

And being a person who no one likes when your goal is to be acknowledged by everyone in the village does make you an underdog.

All the free powerups you speak of were only possible because he got acknowledged and then others started helping him along the way. But none of that would've happened if not for his hard work.
 

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Lol people still read a huge wall of text?
 

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He works harder than Sasuke. Everything Sasuke has was "given" to him.

Natural talent from being an Uchiha

Learning chidori and Lee's taijutsu from sharingan and Kakashi

Curse Mark from Oro

Snake Summons from Oro

MS + Amaterasu from Itachi

EMS are Itachi's eyes. After Sasuke was a reckless dickhead and used up his eyes in a single day.

Rinnegan from Hagormo

Naruto has his huge chakra reserves and life force as he is Uzumaki.He mostly relied on Kurama to get him out of tight fixes till the Pain Arc otherwise he would have lost against Neji,Haku and Kimmimarro and many others.He learnt Rasen shuriken through high number of clones which is the conseqence of him having large naturally gifted reserves not everyone has.RSM and KCM were just a hand down powerups.
In Part 1 Naruto was about hard work.Part 2 is where he became a super saiyan with huge OP blasts and shit like Dragonball Z:Reloaded

Only thing he did hard work with is the Sage mode training and Rasengan
 

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Naruto sucked at chakra control and then made the pinnacle of chakra control techs: rasengan. Naruto sucked at clones amd then made a forbidden clone tech his number one jutsu. How is that not hard work?

And being a person who no one likes when your goal is to be acknowledged by everyone in the village does make you an underdog.

All the free powerups you speak of were only possible because he got acknowledged and then others started helping him along the way. But none of that would've happened if not for his hard work.
again naruto was only bad at chakra control and shadow clones simply because no one taught him how to do it. so no all he was doing was doing it wrong which obviously would make it harder for himself.. its like trying to fit a square into a circle slot your just doing it wrong.

naruto was only disliked simply because he didnt prove himself worth being acknowledged he made himself unlikable by pulling pranks and vandalizing property of course no one liked him
 

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I always argued about this with people. Someone finally posted it.
 
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