why nagato cant be beaten

[Vandenre1ch]

Did you just say kabuto without edo's>nagato, and hashirama wins by default?...(this niggas trippin:sy

Cause its obvious Hashirama>Nagato. What can he do against Flower Tree World?

Rinnegan is based on concentration for its a mental/ocular jutsu. White Rage would disrupt Nagato's concentration and no rinnegan techs for a few. Demon Flute would put Nagato in a genjutsu and he cant do anything about it.

 

[6pathofpain]

Tobi blitz nagato warping through his techniques than lodge a wood in his chest. (preta can't absorb woodstyle fact)

Almighty push will blast obito as soon as he solidifies 1, 2 i hope u honestly dont think that would work cause even if he did get wood put through his chest nagato would grab him and use human path to take his soul, even if he goes to the other dimension it wont matter human path activates once the hand leaves the targeted body, 3 we have no evidence that obito still has any wood stlye what so ever because it souly came from zetsu fusioning with him the first time.

So im not sure how you just came up with that reply...

 

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[AlexXx]

preta path>any jutsu and chakra? did you forget about senchakra?

naruto destroyed it with no problems. all he had to do was standing still

and shinra tensei isnt unbreakable. 6tailed kyuubi was able to push it back

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Almighty push will blast obito as soon as he solidifies 1, 2 i hope u honestly dont think that would work cause even if he did get wood put through his chest nagato would grab him and use human path to take his soul, even if he goes to the other dimension it wont matter human path activates once the hand leaves the targeted body, 3 we have no evidence that obito still has any wood stlye what so ever because it souly came from zetsu fusioning with him the first time.

So im not sure how you just came up with that reply...

If Obito has six paths of jinchurriki then you say Obito>Nagato.
Gedo Mazo cant be used in their fight cause people would argue about who could control it better.
Obito can absorb Nagato during the 5 second interval.

 

[6pathofpain]

Cause its obvious Hashirama>Nagato. What can he do against Flower Tree World?

Rinnegan is based on concentration for its a mental/ocular jutsu. White Rage would disrupt Nagato's concentration and no rinnegan techs for a few. Demon Flute would put Nagato in a genjutsu and he cant do anything about it.

ALmighty push blows away the forest and pollen? Planetary devastation lifts the forest and pollen an hashirama into the air and gets destroyed? Fly just like gaara an the kages did?

An you say that asuming kabuto gets the first move, itachi was still able to use his suasnoo, theres no reason to believe nagato cant still use almighty push im not positive why you believe that would beat nagato. An nagato mastered the yin release at the age of 10, so its also not a fact that nagato wouldnt be able to break that genjutsu.

BUt what can kabuto do against Planetary devastation? He has no attacks that can destroy the black ball and he's not strong enough to break out like 8 tails did. Yea he could turn to water but then he'll just be a puddle stuck in a small moon trapped by earth and gravity. Please, what will kabuto do? an thats just one way to beat kabuto.

Please you sayin he'll beat nagato that easily is like me sayin nagato uses univeral pull then human path an wins...its not that simple. An yes human path will still take his soul if turns into water...

 

[VongolaX]

Almighty push will blast obito as soon as he solidifies 1, 2 i hope u honestly dont think that would work cause even if he did get wood put through his chest nagato would grab him and use human path to take his soul, even if he goes to the other dimension it wont matter human path activates once the hand leaves the targeted body, 3 we have no evidence that obito still has any wood stlye what so ever because it souly came from zetsu fusioning with him the first time.

So im not sure how you just came up with that reply...

because it definitely takes 3 mins to run towards someone with killing intent. you saw the manga the battle ended with the anbu ninja in less than 5mins. Plus when he penetrates a branch technique into him how would he be able to move and pull his soul while his dead? nagato is slow that even bee's lariat hit nagato before he can absorb it. seriously obito> nagato every way possible

 

[Vandenre1ch]

ALmighty push blows away the forest and pollen? Planetary devastation lifts the forest and pollen an hashirama into the air and gets destroyed? Fly just like gaara an the kages did?

An you say that asuming kabuto gets the first move, itachi was still able to use his suasnoo, theres no reason to believe nagato cant still use almighty push im not positive why you believe that would beat nagato. An nagato mastered the yin release at the age of 10, so its also not a fact that nagato wouldnt be able to break that genjutsu.

BUt what can kabuto do against Planetary devastation? He has no attacks that can destroy the black ball and he's not strong enough to break out like 8 tails did. Yea he could turn to water but then he'll just be a puddle stuck in a small moon trapped by earth and gravity. Please, what will kabuto do? an thats just one way to beat kabuto.

Please you sayin he'll beat nagato that easily is like me sayin nagato uses univeral pull then human path an wins...its not that simple. An yes human path will still take his soul if turns into water...

CT has limited range and activation time. Hashirama's Tree World can expand much larger than that. He could just recreate the lost trees.
Nagato can only levitate in the same spot and his only choice would be a HUGE shinra tensei to destroy the forest. Deva Path would be inactive for a while and Hashirama can just recreate the FTW.

Kabuto could just shed his skin and escape if he gets caught in Bansho Tenin. Kabuto also has quick healing/recovery time. As for human path, it is a close range jutsu. Kabuto is faster than Nagato and has way superior senses and dodge Nagato anyways.

I get what your saying for the genjutsu but Nagato cant/wont break out of it immediately if thats what you think. A second is crucial in a fight and during the seconds Nagato is trapped Kabuto could land a blow.

As for CT, it has limited range and Kabuto knows all too well about that. Remember when he controlled Nagato he made him stay outside the range. As soon as Kabuto sees the black orb he'll get out of range.

 

[6pathofpain]

If Obito has six paths of jinchurriki then you say Obito>Nagato.
Gedo Mazo cant be used in their fight cause people would argue about who could control it better.
Obito can absorb Nagato during the 5 second interval.

THe statue yes would not be in the fight i can agree to that

But 6 paths? Oh no, more tailed beast to feed nagato with all the chakra based attacks..."Nagato look out" lol come on yo those paths cant even hurt nagato as long as he has preta path, an 8 summons including the undying unlimitly multipling dog which will give him like 50 feilds of vision.

An lets not forget nagato started the whole black stakes in the chest thing he'll no how to stop them right away, universal pull will pull those things right out an their useless to obito

An he could get nagato in the 5 second interval if 1 it was confirmed that nagato has 1(seeing how he did use universal pull on naruto an the use deva path again like 2 seconds later to pull down a metor to throw at him) an 2 if it wasnt for nagato basically having 360 degree vision multiple growing any arms an human path an asura path...

 

[6pathofpain]

CT has limited range and activation time. Hashirama's Tree World can expand much larger than that. He could just recreate the lost trees.
Nagato can only levitate in the same spot and his only choice would be a HUGE shinra tensei to destroy the forest. Deva Path would be inactive for a while and Hashirama can just recreate the FTW.

Kabuto could just shed his skin and escape if he gets caught in Bansho Tenin. Kabuto also has quick healing/recovery time. As for human path, it is a close range jutsu. Kabuto is faster than Nagato and has way superior senses and dodge Nagato anyways.

I get what your saying for the genjutsu but Nagato cant/wont break out of it immediately if thats what you think. A second is crucial in a fight and during the seconds Nagato is trapped Kabuto could land a blow.

As for CT, it has limited range and Kabuto knows all too well about that. Remember when he controlled Nagato he made him stay outside the range. As soon as Kabuto sees the black orb he'll get out of range.

Deva path was inactive but remember that was because it was deva path including 5 others an the had already destroyed most of the leaf. This Is nagato who has already been said to be on a complete higher level then the paths, an we dont even know he has a 5 second interval. An flower world still uses chakra and id imagine alot, we dont even know hashiram has the chakra to use it contiously. we know both nagato an hashirama have a large pool of chakra but we dont know which is larger.

An if you remember when nagato flew infront of bee during their fight when he got hit with the close line an absorbed his chakra, it seems like he can fly pretty dam fast, an if you believe in the anime that nigga be on some dbz shit when it comes to flying.

An CT only has to destroy everything in nagato's area, he wont be sucked in just like when he used it on 6 tails.

Kabuto's sheding skin wont save him against Bansho Tenin(which im guessing is the real name of the universal pull lol) because he's not physically being grab, gravity has grabed him, you dont just jump away from gravity. An yes kabuto has quick healing but nagato could use the black stakes to mess up his chakra flow an stop all that. An he'd use human path only after the universal pull, kabuto cant escape an he cant heal a missing soul

I can agree with what you said aboout th genjutsu tho, but things like that just depend on how the fight goes an where they are from each other

An kabuto may know that butkabuto knows next to nothing of the rinnegan, which is one why he lost with nagato an 2 why he told madara to show him about his prime an prevously said he knew nothing of his prime refering to the fact he had rinnegan. Nagato will use his CT wisely an could once again just use Universal pull to suck kabuto back into range if he some how gets out

 

[6pathofpain]

because it definitely takes 3 mins to run towards someone with killing intent. you saw the manga the battle ended with the anbu ninja in less than 5mins. Plus when he penetrates a branch technique into him how would he be able to move and pull his soul while his dead? nagato is slow that even bee's lariat hit nagato before he can absorb it. seriously obito> nagato every way possible

Nagato let the larait hit him for the chakra come on. An i noticed you didnt explain what makes you think obito has wood style...

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Deva path was inactive but remember that was because it was deva path including 5 others an the had already destroyed most of the leaf. This Is nagato who has already been said to be on a complete higher level then the paths, an we dont even know he has a 5 second interval. An flower world still uses chakra and id imagine alot, we dont even know hashiram has the chakra to use it contiously. we know both nagato an hashirama have a large pool of chakra but we dont know which is larger.

An if you remember when nagato flew infront of bee during their fight when he got hit with the close line an absorbed his chakra, it seems like he can fly pretty dam fast, an if you believe in the anime that nigga be on some dbz shit when it comes to flying.

An CT only has to destroy everything in nagato's area, he wont be sucked in just like when he used it on 6 tails.

Kabuto's sheding skin wont save him against Bansho Tenin(which im guessing is the real name of the universal pull lol) because he's not physically being grab, gravity has grabed him, you dont just jump away from gravity. An yes kabuto has quick healing but nagato could use the black stakes to mess up his chakra flow an stop all that. An he'd use human path only after the universal pull, kabuto cant escape an he cant heal a missing soul

I can agree with what you said aboout th genjutsu tho, but things like that just depend on how the fight goes an where they are from each other

An kabuto may know that butkabuto knows next to nothing of the rinnegan, which is one why he lost with nagato an 2 why he told madara to show him about his prime an prevously said he knew nothing of his prime refering to the fact he had rinnegan. Nagato will use his CT wisely an could once again just use Universal pull to suck kabuto back into range if he some how gets out

Okay I dismiss the 5 second interval. However, there is still an interval for Shinra tensei. The bigger the push, the longer the interval. Deva Path was ofc for a while so Nagato should be at least a couple of minutes.

Kisame got his chest blown off by the same attack an he's physically tougher than Nagato. Nagato was an edo so it didnt matter. He got hit first then absorbed it.

Bansho Tenin has a pull on the initial target. Kabuto can escape because the pull is focused on the skin he shed. Unless Nagato drops the skin and redoes Gravititaional Pull.

 

[VongolaX]

Nagato let the larait hit him for the chakra come on. An i noticed you didnt explain what makes you think obito has wood style...

Nagato let him? no he didn't you can't say someone did something based of your instincts. Nagato is slow as shit.
You shouild realize he has woodstyle if he didnt than he wouldnt have a right side or equip himself with senju dna when missing
an arm, or even preform the move inzanga in the first place.....so ya he still has woodstyle

 

[6pathofpain]

Okay I dismiss the 5 second interval. However, there is still an interval for Shinra tensei. The bigger the push, the longer the interval. Deva Path was ofc for a while so Nagato should be at least a couple of minutes.

Kisame got his chest blown off by the same attack an he's physically tougher than Nagato. Nagato was an edo so it didnt matter. He got hit first then absorbed it.

Bansho Tenin has a pull on the initial target. Kabuto can escape because the pull is focused on the skin he shed. Unless Nagato drops the skin and redoes Gravititaional Pull.

Eh maybe i suppose, but even a small almighty push would get the pollen away from him, an if he's in the air thats the only real problem. An Even if it does give him a few mintue interval on dava path, he still has 5 other paths 8 summons an all 5 elements which he mastered at the age of 10 so i think he'll be alright

An it didnt look like nagato took any damage from that attack at all, edo or not it still would show the damage

An idk i feel like the universal pull grabs more then just the skin, i dont think he can get out of it

 

[6pathofpain]

Nagato let him? no he didn't you can't say someone did something based of your instincts. Nagato is slow as shit.
You shouild realize he has woodstyle if he didnt than he wouldnt have a right side or equip himself with senju dna when missing
an arm, or even preform the move inzanga in the first place.....so ya he still has woodstyle

Yea he still has wood style but he hasnt used it at all an we have no evidence he still has it...(he doesnt have wood stlye). The old obito was completely fused with zetsu, zetsu was his mask, the new obito just has a mask. He doesnt have wood style get over it

What damage did he take from that attack? please show me where he took damage...

 

[VongolaX]

Yea he still has wood style but he hasnt used it at all an we have no evidence he still has it...(he doesnt have wood stlye). The old obito was completely fused with zetsu, zetsu was his mask, the new obito just has a mask. He doesnt have wood style get over it

What damage did he take from that attack? please show me where he took damage...

1. there is no evidence saying he doesn't have woodstyle anymore
2. I never said he took damage because i knew someone like you would say that, i said it hit that's all
and we all know how getting piercing branch technique would do if it hits, it will kill him sooo get over it

 

[thegame]

Well there are a lot of shinobi that can counter/destroy celestial terra blast.. First of all we can only assume that it will stop absorbing at some point, or at least it should become weaker over time, as it absorbs more.

So Obito will have no problem with it. Same goes for Minato or anyone else who have a S/T jutsu to escape. Now this doesn't mean they beat him. If Obito has his rinnengan as well, though this scenario is impossible, but lets just say he has.. Then he can summon gedo mazo to fight the 6 paths, and it is likely to assume it could resist the celestial terra blast? It seems pretty durable. But can't know.. However, if Obito figured Nagatos secret, he could possibly track him down? At least Tobi could, but then it'd be 2v1 I suppose ^^

Deidara could also destroy it U_U I think he has better destruction power than a tailed beast. He is also the most efficient member of akatsuki at capturing beasts.. Deidara could also kill Pain including nagato. We saw the size of his self-destruction. It would even reach the real Nagato, and I don't really see how he escapes that. No need to find it in the manga really, all should remember the size of self-destruct.

Danzo could also survive celestial terra blast. He got mass izanagi, and he is pretty experienced after all. We know that KA can go through even an edo body to the "user", so it is likely to believe it would work on the rinnengan in the same way. Now I don't have proof, so I wont really try to prove Danzo beating Nagato + Pain - it all depends on the KA.

The celestial terra blast starts off being pretty "small". So it is possible Kakashi could transfer it or transfer some of it to another dimension, thus he could escape it, but he couldn't beat the 6 paths anyway, so pointless mentioning more..

Since Hashirama beat Madara with perfect susano and Kurama, it is likely to believe he could beat Nagato as well. Though the evidence of him beating Madara is the only supportive "evidence" from the manga, so can't really say this either.

Naruto on the other hand. I will give this one to him. Am too busy to look in the manga, but he has become pretty decent lately. His tbb is at the level of 4 tailed beasts. He has SM bunshin at the same time to protect him. He could simply make a bunshin of Kurama mode and use the bunshin to destroy it. I mean he also had SM bunshin at same time when he destroyed those 4 tbb, so he can do it even when he divides his chakra. His speed is insane, so he will not be caught by the other nagatos easy. He still has vast amount of summonings to help out. Sensory type. Kurama can make several arms to guard against any pain in range for anything..

So my deduction is that only Deidara and Naruto can be proven capable of defeating Pain in an even battle, where god realm doesn't need to wait before acquiring his powers. Deidara, however, would tie it, since he will die as well. However, if Obito has his paths as well, he will most likely also be able to do it, or at least put up quite an even match since they are edo tenseis.

Of course Madara might be able to smash it with his giant rock, but I suppose he is a pretty obvious winner, everybody knows U_U

 

[6pathofpain]

1. there is no evidence saying he doesn't have woodstyle anymore
2. I never said he took damage because i knew someone like you would say that, i said it hit that's all
and we all know how getting piercing branch technique would do if it hits, it will kill him sooo get over it

The evidence we have that he doesnt have it any more is that that when he did have it he was completely fused with zetsu who has wood style. And now he's not, its pretty simple, zetsu an obito's connection was way stronger then than it is now that much is obvious

 

[Ultimate uzumaki form]

Nagato < all

Fodder 10 >Nagato

 

[VongolaX]

Well there are a lot of shinobi that can counter/destroy celestial terra blast.. First of all we can only assume that it will stop absorbing at some point, or at least it should become weaker over time, as it absorbs more.

So Obito will have no problem with it. Same goes for Minato or anyone else who have a S/T jutsu to escape. Now this doesn't mean they beat him. If Obito has his rinnengan as well, though this scenario is impossible, but lets just say he has.. Then he can summon gedo mazo to fight the 6 paths, and it is likely to assume it could resist the celestial terra blast? It seems pretty durable. But can't know.. However, if Obito figured Nagatos secret, he could possibly track him down? At least Tobi could, but then it'd be 2v1 I suppose ^^

Deidara could also destroy it U_U I think he has better destruction power than a tailed beast. He is also the most efficient member of akatsuki at capturing beasts.. Deidara could also kill Pain including nagato. We saw the size of his self-destruction. It would even reach the real Nagato, and I don't really see how he escapes that. No need to find it in the manga really, all should remember the size of self-destruct.

Danzo could also survive celestial terra blast. He got mass izanagi, and he is pretty experienced after all. We know that KA can go through even an edo body to the "user", so it is likely to believe it would work on the rinnengan in the same way. Now I don't have proof, so I wont really try to prove Danzo beating Nagato + Pain - it all depends on the KA.

The celestial terra blast starts off being pretty "small". So it is possible Kakashi could transfer it or transfer some of it to another dimension, thus he could escape it, but he couldn't beat the 6 paths anyway, so pointless mentioning more..

Since Hashirama beat Madara with perfect susano and Kurama, it is likely to believe he could beat Nagato as well. Though the evidence of him beating Madara is the only supportive "evidence" from the manga, so can't really say this either.

Naruto on the other hand. I will give this one to him. Am too busy to look in the manga, but he has become pretty decent lately. His tbb is at the level of 4 tailed beasts. He has SM bunshin at the same time to protect him. He could simply make a bunshin of Kurama mode and use the bunshin to destroy it. I mean he also had SM bunshin at same time when he destroyed those 4 tbb, so he can do it even when he divides his chakra. His speed is insane, so he will not be caught by the other nagatos easy. He still has vast amount of summonings to help out. Sensory type. Kurama can make several arms to guard against any pain in range for anything..

So my deduction is that only Deidara and Naruto can be proven capable of defeating Pain in an even battle, where god realm doesn't need to wait before acquiring his powers. Deidara, however, would tie it, since he will die as well. However, if Obito has his paths as well, he will most likely also be able to do it, or at least put up quite an even match since they are edo tenseis.

Of course Madara might be able to smash it with his giant rock, but I suppose he is a pretty obvious winner, everybody knows U_U

It's good and all but tobi is aware of the six path of pain technique