why most people consider Hiruzen the weakest Hokage [fanboy thread]

[Sacrosanct]

Oro steted 60 years old Hiruzen beats him
prime Hiruzen stomps

I was referring to the Hiruzen that we're going to see in action over the next few chapters, not your fanfiction "Prime Hiruzen" whose power is based off of speculation (unless you're going to try and say he's stronger than Hashirama).

The databook implies that Hiruzen would have been able to successfully RDS Orochimaru rather than having to settle for Orochimaru's arms. That only changes the outcome of the battle, but the circumstances would be the same; an overwhelmed Hiruzen resorting to RDS. In fact, did you not realize that the former Hokage were taking turns with Hiruzen? Did you not notice that they stood there as Hiruzen engaged in a kenjutsu battle with Orochimaru? Now tell me, how badly would they have beaten Hiruzen if they didn't take turns? He wouldn't even have the chakra for shadow clones to make the RDS work.

Not when the databook & enma imply that in prime he stomps.

Read above.

 

[Draphsin]

So, his own statement admitting that he was inferior to Part 1 Orochimaru doesn't count?

Not when the databook & enma imply that in prime he stomps.

If you want to consider hype, then consider all of it.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Who flucking throws huge shuirken....:| flucking fail, he's the weakest get on with that troll BS.

Except they were human sized shuriken and a wall if them... Which is actually deadly despite its simplicity.


Hiruzen IMO is the fourth strongest Hokage. Being known as the strongest Kage of his time that could mean either...

1) He was better than the Third Kazekage, Oonoiki, and Third Raikage.

2) Stronger than the other Kage at that time (Gaara's dad, Ay, Yagura, Oonoiki).


Either way he trumps some extremely powerful people...and many of them I'd say are overall stronger than Tsunade.

I'd say Hiruzen's versatility in jutsu also gives him range and other advantages needed to defeat people like Tsunade who fight by tanking attacks.

And as you've said we've only seen an old outdated Hiruzen... Not his prime time days.

 

[Draphsin]

I was referring to the Hiruzen that we're going to see in action over the next few chapters, not your fanfiction "Prime Hiruzen" whose power is based off of speculation (unless you're going to try and say he's stronger than Hashirama).

The databook implies that Hiruzen would have been able to successfully RDS Orochimaru rather than having to settle for Orochimaru's arms. That only changes the outcome of the battle, but the circumstances would be the same; an overwhelmed Hiruzen resorting to RDS. In fact, did you not realize that the former Hokage were taking turns with Hiruzen? Did you not notice that they stood there as Hiruzen engaged in a kenjutsu battle with Orochimaru? Now tell me, how badly would they have beaten Hiruzen if they didn't take turns? He wouldn't even have the chakra for shadow clones to make the RDS work.

Lol your senond paragraph is nothing short of fanfiction, databook says that the outcome would be different. the outcome of the match was that hiruzen lost. The only other outcome would be that hiruzen wins. It doesnt matter how he does it but you're denying the obvious fact that the win/loss outcome would've been much different.

If hiruzen dies then how is the outcome the same, the only other option would be that they both die, but regardless that still means that 59 year old hiruzen = pt1 orochimaru..