Why Minato LEGIT Defeats Itachi

[shelke]

Itachi's Tsukyomi one-shots this fool. Genjutsu is instant upon eye contact. Tobi not one-shotting Minato's ass with his genjutsu was because he was struggling to control the kyubi.

Minato wankers always seem to forget that that Obito was controlling Kurama. Uchiha 3 Tomoe Genjutsu one-shots without anyone around. Make it Tsukuyomi and Minato whines like a harlot and dies.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Minato wankers always seem to forget that that Obito was controlling Kurama. Uchiha 3 T Genjutsu one-shots without anyone around. Make it Tsukuyomi and Minato Minato whines like a harlot and dies.

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[shelke]

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And? He was already badly wounded by then. Don't see your point.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

And? Obito was already fatally hit by then. I don't see a point here.

Point is he broke a 3T genjutsu like it was nothing. It was already casted by Obito and has nothing to do with Obito being hit cuz it didn't need Obito to continously control Kurama using his genjutsu. It was like fire and forget.

 

[shelke]

Point is he broke a 3T genjutsu like it was nothing. It was already casted by Obito and has nothing to do with Obito being hit cuz it didn't need Obito to continously control Kurama using his genjutsu. It was like fire and forget.

Disagreed completely. As we have seen that MS Genjutsu takes a toll on the Uchiha body. 3T is simply its diluted version.

 

[Tyris]

Minato: I am crap at Senjutsu and it takes me ages to even knead it.
Fanboys: He's ace at it.

Sage Toads: It takes a long while to set up the tune and a large amount of Senjutsu chakra.
Fanboys: He launches it off the bat.

Jiraiya: It takes a while to summon the toads and the ritual is lengthy.
Fanboys: Minato keeps them in his pocket.

Speed: Failed against teenage Bee twice, couldn't touch Ae and fell into every trap laid by Obito and couldn't counter any of his strikes (barely making an escape via FTG every single time; heck, he literally ran into the chains; so fast and dexterous as a shinobi) bar that final one.
Fanboys: He can outspeed Itachi easily who was running circles around Adult Bee and KCM Naruto.

Taijutsu and CQC feats: He doesn't have any.
Fanboys: Minato! He can do it all! We don't need no manga!

Genjtusu (a regular 3T one even): He was looking at Obito all the time, who didn't cast it as he was controlling ninetails.
Fanboys: He's too fast, yo! But only under teenage Bee.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg for your terrible thread.

I just can't with Minato fans. I just can't. It's too hilarious for words. :kd:

Faps can't help themselves

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Disagreed completely. As we have seen that MS Genjutsu takes a toll on the Uchiha body. 3T is simply its diluted version.

Well disagree all you want but you have no scans to prove that Itachi's tsukiyomi would one shot Minato for sure. I only posted the scan to show that Minato has knowledge of sharingan and its abilities and I am sure someone at the position of hokage would also have the knowledge of MS and the necessary counter measures from their predecessors.
Again I am not saying that tsukiyomi can't one shot Minato, it may or may not. but without any conclusive evidence to prove your claims its just speculation and nothing more.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Point is he broke a 3T genjutsu like it was nothing. It was already casted by Obito and has nothing to do with Obito being hit cuz it didn't need Obito to continously control Kurama using his genjutsu. It was like fire and forget.

Did you just say a contract seal can break a sharingan genjutsu?

 

[shelke]

Well disagree all you want but you have no scans to prove that Itachi's tsukiyomi would one shot Minato for sure. I only posted the scan to show that Minato has knowledge of sharingan and its abilities and I am sure someone at the position of hokage would also have the knowledge of MS and the necessary counter measures from their predecessors.
Again I am not saying that tsukiyomi can't one shot Minato, it may or may not. but without any conclusive evidence to prove your claims its just speculation and nothing more.

What? Tsukuyomi cannot even be countered by anyone bar genetically adapted Uchihas. It ends his life. Kakashi only survived as Itachi held back. He has no counter for 3 Tomoe Sharingan as well, as Genjutsu Kai utterly fails against it. It's useless. Orochimaru, Chee and Kurenai failed; Genjutsu specalists. Minato isn't even a Genjutsu type. Without a second man there, he's toast.

What do you mean conclusive evidence? Manga and Databook aren't enough?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Did you just say a contract seal can break a sharingan genjutsu?

Did you read the scan I provided. Look at Kurama's eyes

What? Tsukuyomi cannot even be countered by anyone bar genetically adapted Uchihas. It ends his life. Kakashi only survived as Itachi held back. He has no counter for 3 Tomoe Sharingan as well, as Genjutsu Kai utterly fails against it. It's useless. Orochimaru, Chee and Kurenai failed; Genjutsu specalists. Minato isn't even a Genjutsu type. Without a second man there, he's toast.

What do you mean conclusive evidence? Manga and Databook aren't enough?

And yet I gave you evidence that Minato has knowledge of sharingan and its powers. And the databook also says Temari can destroy the universe with her fan, should I believe that too? The DB becomes inconsistent sometimes as the manga progresses. Anyway just cuz Itachi one shotted Kakashi doesn't prove that it'll work on Minato as well. Unless you have some scans to prove just that.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Did you read the scan I provided. Look at Kurama's eyes

And read this one

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A contract seal severs the contract a summoner has with the creator/tool. When Tobi was marked with a contract seal, he can no longer manipulate the creator/tool that he is controlling by all means. So since that contract was nullify it made the genjutsu mute.

There is no way for a single person to break out of a sharingan genjutsu without a second person to help you. Tsukyomi is instant one shot kill to the users leisure.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

And read this one

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A contract seal severs the contract a summoner has with the creator/tool. When Tobi was marked with a contract seal, he can no longer manipulate the creator/tool that he is controlling by all means. So since that contract was nullify it made the genjutsu mute.

There is no way for a single person to break out of a sharingan genjutsu without a second person to help you. Tsukyomi is instant one shot kill to the users leisure.

Does it matter how he broke the genjutsu as long as he breaks it. And as I said before DB has often been inconsistent as the series progresses. Danzo broke out of MS Sasuke's genjutsu and he was just one person.

 

[shelke]

Did you read the scan I provided. Look at Kurama's eyes



And yet I gave you evidence that Minato has knowledge of sharingan and its powers. And the databook also says Temari can destroy the universe with her fan, should I believe that too? The DB becomes inconsistent sometimes as the manga progresses. Anyway just cuz Itachi one shotted Kakashi doesn't prove that it'll work on Minato as well. Unless you have some scans to prove just that.

And having knowledge means what? Does it change these:

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Kakashi is creaming his pants that he's met with a legitimate Sharingan user, when he hasn't even taken his MS out:

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Or these:

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All of the above was said about a regular Sharingan Genjutsu. Kakashi talks about MS here:

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Heck, Chiyo didn't even know Itachi had MS.

These too:

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Naruto and Itachi reinforced the idea here about 3 Tomoe Sharingan:

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Or the databook:

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If tailed beasts can be easily controlled with it (bar Kurama that requires an MS to do so, but it can be easily suppressed with it), Genjutsu Kai is useless, two people are required to fight one Uchiha with a 3Tomoe Sharingan and Genjutsu experts failed miserabily against it, why is Minato such a special snowflake? You think Kurenai, Chee and Orochimaru are all stupid? You think they never knew about Sharingan? Good grief!

You are also comparing a hyperbolic statement to a common statement reinforced in the manga countless times. Your point is wrong by default.

 

[shelke]

Does it matter how he broke the genjutsu as long as he breaks it. And as I said before DB has often been inconsistent as the series progresses. Danzo broke out of MS Sasuke's genjutsu and he was just one person.

Danzo never broke out of Sasuke's Genjutsu. Sasuke's MS Genjutsu doesn't last long at all:

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And how many Sharingans did he have anyway? Yeah, Minato can be Danzo too. I guess he can be anybody. The guy doesn't need facts. Nothing that has been said for the Sharingan Genjutsu in the databook and the manga has ever been disputed anywhere. You can try and play this game, but it's old news, really.

3T Genjutsu one-shots without another Shinobi around. Full stop.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Does it matter how he broke the genjutsu as long as he breaks it. And as I said before DB has often been inconsistent as the series progresses. Danzo broke out of MS Sasuke's genjutsu and he was just one person.

Danzo had a mangekyo and sharingan resistance can only be done by another sharingan as both kakashi and Itachi said in part one.

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Funny thing is that Danzo tried to resist to an extent but he never broke out of MS Sasuke's genjutsu. And it was a weak one too as Shelke already stated, the genjutsu didn't last long like Itachi's genjutsus. The databook has remained consistent with how ocular genjutsu works against other people.

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And again, Minato never broke the genjutsu. The genjutsu itself uplifted when Tobi's contract was severed.

 

[Genocide]

His stamina, which has the same score as Sakura's in the 3rd Databook, would still be an issue when it comes to using EMS, even without the MS drawbacks. He's easily defeatable by anyone who can spam 360 degree attacks around his Susano'O.

yeah the only way he gets out of that is unless his ems susanoo could fly then he might be able to evade
"deactivate his susanoo and dodge in base"

 

[To Whatever]

This is still going on...

 

[iFlowMotion]

Yata Mirror, Yata Mirror....that's all you hear from Itachi fans....

1. Itachi has poor stamina & is slow. None of his attacks are fast enough to hit top tiers & some lower tiers and susanoo is very stamina taxing. People can literally wait for susanoo to ware off.

2. YM doesn't have 360 degrees of protection & depends on Itachi's reflexes. When it blocked Orochimaru, why did susanoo raise the shield the up to block the snakes coming from above? Cause there there is no 360 degrees of protection. Itachi has to move the arm of susanoo to move the shield on place to block an attack. If he can't see it, Itachi is done for when it comes to Onooki's or Muu's dust release(it even destroyed Madara's susanoo).

A team of Ay & Onooki can beat Itachi.

Gen negs both. Try again.

 

[Tyris]

ItachiBase solos:scorps:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

And having knowledge means what? Does it change these:

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Kakashi is creaming his pants that he's met with a legitimate Sharingan user, when he hasn't even taken his MS out:

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Or these:

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All of the above was said about a regular Sharingan Genjutsu. Kakashi talks about MS here:

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Heck, Chiyo didn't even know Itachi had MS.

These too:

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Naruto and Itachi reinforced the idea here about 3 Tomoe Sharingan:

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Or the databook:

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If tailed beasts can be easily controlled with it (bar Kurama that requires an MS to do so, but it can be easily suppressed with it), Genjutsu Kai is useless, two people are required to fight one Uchiha with a 3Tomoe Sharingan and Genjutsu experts failed miserabily against it, why is Minato such a special snowflake? You think Kurenai, Chee and Orochimaru are all stupid? You think they never knew about Sharingan? Good grief!

You are also comparing a hyperbolic statement to a common statement reinforced in the manga countless times. Your point is wrong by default.

Meh...

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As I said before DB facts become inconsistent sometimes as the manga progresses. Anyway if sharingan genjutsu is that powerful then EMS Madara wouldn't have gotten his ass whooped over and over again by Hashirama. All he needed was to simply put Hashi in a genjutsu and then its an easy kill for him. But did that ever happen? No lol.
And just cuz Kurenai, Chee and Orochimaru couldn't break out of genjutsu doesn't prove that Minato won't be able to as well smh. Anyway Itachi himself agrees that every jutsu has a weakness and Tsukiyomi is no exception to that. You're trying to prove something about Itachi that Itachi himself refutes.

Danzo never broke out of Sasuke's Genjutsu. Sasuke's MS Genjutsu doesn't last long at all:

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And how many Sharingans did he have anyway? Yeah, Minato can be Danzo too. I guess he can be anybody. The guy doesn't need facts. Nothing that has been said for the Sharingan Genjutsu in the databook and the manga has ever been disputed anywhere. You can try and play this game, but it's old news, really.

3T Genjutsu one-shots without another Shinobi around. Full stop.

Itachi already disputed your claim lol. And Danzo did break out of it...not only he broke it but was also able to immobilize Sasuke.

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...if 3T genjutsu one shots then Sasuke should've one shotted Deidara but he barely made out alive or Obito should've one shotted Minato but he got rekt. So no.

Danzo had a mangekyo and sharingan resistance can only be done by another sharingan as both kakashi and Itachi said in part one.

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Funny thing is that Danzo tried to resist to an extent but he never broke out of MS Sasuke's genjutsu. And it was a weak one too as Shelke already stated, the genjutsu didn't last long like Itachi's genjutsus. The databook has remained consistent with how ocular genjutsu works against other people.

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And again, Minato never broke the genjutsu. The genjutsu itself uplifted when Tobi's contract was severed.

Read my replies above.