Why mastering BM is not a big feat

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Yeah I agree what is mixing three that's right three different chakra types. Nature/The nine tails/and his Own four if you count the Yin and Yang of his own. How many other host can do a TTB from the cloak. That's right none and please don't act like you don't want your favorite to have that added chakra and power.
 

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There is much more to the process than what you outline. It is true that a person needs to either be on good terms with his/her tailed beast (or outright overpower it) in order to use its chakra to the extent that Naruto is using Kurama's chakra. However, Naruto had to go through a great deal of training and a number of trials in order to get to that point.

Naruto first had to confront his personal demons. I'm pretty sure that the manga outlined that this is a very difficult step, and I doubt many other characters would be able to do it. For example, neither Sasuke or Sakura have been able to face their demons or come to terms with their past decisions. Sasuke still blames everybody else for his actions and constantly changes his mind. Sakura on the other hand, can't get over the fact that she has never been able to contribute anything to the series. She constantly complains that she isn't strong enough, but even after making progress, it isn't sufficient.

The next step was to establish dominance over Kurama by stealing his chakra. If you recall, Naruto was almost completely taken over by Kurama during this process. Again, I doubt most of the series' other characters could manage this.

Finally, Naruto had to actually convince Kurama to freely give him chakra in order to blend it with his own. In the end, the only reason that Kurama eventually caved was because of Naruto's persistence and constant determination. I can't think of a single other character who would be able to go through all of the hardships that Naruto has endured throughout his life. If you think about it, every single other character in the series who has faced even a fraction of what Naruto has (except Jiraiya), eventually gave up and were only spurred onward when they saw that Naruto still hadn't given up. Zabuza and Haku had given up on their ideologies, Sasuke originally gave up against Orochimaru and then again against Gaara, Sakura gave up on pretty much everything (against Zabuza, Orochimaru, in retrieving Sasuke, against Pain, etc.), Hinata would have originally given up at the academy. The list is pretty much endless. All of this convinced Kurama and the other tailed beasts that Naruto is different from every other person.

Now this is a good post: no character bashing, just evaluation. All I really said in the opening post was how one could easily just get on good terms with a jinchuuriki in order to use its power, which doesn't really take any skill but it does take personality. I do give it to Naruto because he is a persistent person who values the bonds he has and doesn't give up. But if you think about it; Kishi chose to make everyone like Sasuke somebody who wasn't too persistent; to emphasize the fact that Naruto doesn't give up, and by having that attitude in the end Itachi trusted him and Sasuke is now fighting for the leaf. Sasuke's hatred for his brother led him to not care about anything even letting Orochimaru use him, and it was all because Itachi did not tell him the truth. He didn't give up on Orochimaru because he never really trusted him to begin with. Still though the jinchuuriki has one of a few choices- stay in the body it's in, or struggle to break out. Kurama already knows that Naruto is a good person so he just sat back and slept and didn't go too crazy trying to break out. Kurama's only choice when he gave him Bijuu mode I believe was to be controlled by madara or naruto.
 

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The Uchiha have the curse of hatred and this is not as a result of being less skilled than those who don't have this curse. So therefore little to no Uchiha could be a jinchuuriki? uhhh no.

i have no idea what you mean to convey but, the tailed beast prey on the host's feelings of hatred and lonliness





nine tails which is just a mass of benevolence and hatred even more so

it will latch onto your own hatred and take over your body



hatred and loneliness, sasuke has plenty





even killer bee comments on how difficult it is to resist kyuubi's influence, its negative influence can only be kept at bay by equally powerful positive feelings/influence

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that was the turning point in their fight
 

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There is no curse of hatred? Yet there is a naruto wiki page about it
Go back to slavery django lol
If the point of Curse is true then every uchiha should be a slave of Hatred but people like Itachi already proved it wrong ..wether to be a slave of hatred or not, mainly depends on the will of that particular person...
 
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If you think about it- the fact that Naruto can use bijuu or kyuubi chakra mode doesn't mean shit because all you have to do is get on good terms with the bijuu/be friends with it, or follow the will of the bijuu in order to use its power. Unless you somehow overpower or incapacitate the bijuu like Madara was able to do then it isn't that great of a feat. Naruto aint all hot shit because it was Kurama who agreed to give him his power, and if Kurama wanted to- he could resist being Naruto's host or give him his chakra until he forces his way out of his body. Also remember when Obito extracted the jinchuuriki when Kushina gave birth? Think about this- there are probably a million other ways a bijuu can break the seal to leave the body- for example- when the host is on the toilet, or at the climax of sexual intercourse? lololol.

It actually is impressive, he won over Kurama's friendship which is not an easy feat since Bijuus formed a deep hatred for humans and if it was so easy then why haven't others managed to do so? Only Bee did this, The 4th Mizukage was said too but we're not quite sure because there's plot holes with how Tobi controlled the kage and if Tobi was in control of the kage then how was the 3 tails in the wild?

Fact is, Many people only say things as you killed my comrade and now I'm going to kill you while Naruto is trying to end that cycle because both side knows how it's like to lose someone so why make others suffer? Also many people see the Bijuus as nothing more than weapons, a tool to be use to meet their goals. Naruto use to treat Kurama like a tool but as he grew up thru out the manga he started to see that being a host to Kurama wasn't so bad and saw him more than just a weapon but of a living thing with a mind and feelings.

What makes this impressive is the fact than very few people has accomplished to earn a Bijuu's friendship, many give into their will but then again anyone can do that and the village will put you down due to the danger you put the village in. Madara and Hashirama have abilities to control Bijuus, Sasuke and everyone else with MS have that ability as well but as we seen in Madara vs Hashirama, Madara couldn't focus Kurama's power, thus couldn't use his full power. Naruto in BM has shown stronger fire power than full Kurama because a Jinchuuriki can focus the Bijuu's power.
 

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Flame wars+ personal attacks+ racist reference/comments lead to thread closer along with infractions and bans. Please read the rules everyone.
 

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you're right naruto wouldnt be shit without kurama but part of his power is having people believe in him like kakashi told chiyo
that's why he's my favorite character, naruto's not like any usual main character like luffy,goku,ichigo etc
hes a weakling who wouldn't be alive if kurama's chakra didn't save him but at the same time it will take him over
most main characters get stronger after training,get stronger after every fight,and are just real strong and get stronger as the manga goes
 

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Don't know if you realized this, but Naruto was the only human besides the sage that Kurama ever acknowledged. Same for Bee and Gyuuki.

There is a reason for that.
 

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If you think about it- the fact that Naruto can use bijuu or kyuubi chakra mode doesn't mean shit because all you have to do is get on good terms with the bijuu/be friends with it, or follow the will of the bijuu in order to use its power. Unless you somehow overpower or incapacitate the bijuu like Madara was able to do then it isn't that great of a feat. Naruto aint all hot shit because it was Kurama who agreed to give him his power, and if Kurama wanted to- he could resist being Naruto's host or give him his chakra until he forces his way out of his body. Also remember when Obito extracted the jinchuuriki when Kushina gave birth? Think about this- there are probably a million other ways a bijuu can break the seal to leave the body- for example- when the host is on the toilet, or at the climax of sexual intercourse? lololol.
the most difficult thing to do U_U
 

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If you think about it- the fact that Naruto can use bijuu or kyuubi chakra mode doesn't mean shit because all you have to do is get on good terms with the bijuu/be friends with it, or follow the will of the bijuu in order to use its power. Unless you somehow overpower or incapacitate the bijuu like Madara was able to do then it isn't that great of a feat. Naruto aint all hot shit because it was Kurama who agreed to give him his power, and if Kurama wanted to- he could resist being Naruto's host or give him his chakra until he forces his way out of his body. Also remember when Obito extracted the jinchuuriki when Kushina gave birth? Think about this- there are probably a million other ways a bijuu can break the seal to leave the body- for example- when the host is on the toilet, or at the climax of sexual intercourse? lololol.

Befriending a bijuu is a big feat. only 2 person in the history on NV has hone it.
 

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Oh my GOSH!!!! I'm out! do you think yin kurama couldn't try to take control over sasuke's body? C'mon.

He would be an easy target, do you know the uchihas = full of hatred besides itachi and shisui.

Correction: All Uchihas are full of love not hate.. twas revealed in one of the chapters....they have so much love, that others believe it to be hatred
 

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Exaclty the ones in older time seems so much stronger now. This was Kishi chance to have Sasuke and Naruto fight the Second Rikudo in Obito, in a all out brawl showing they can tank the Juubi dama and unleash some op sh!t. But he didn't, they needed plot to save they ass. I bet nobody really believe Sasuke and Naruto can beat Juubi jin Obito

Not really, Both Naruto and Sasuke are still new with their powers. They need to train and master their powers before even trying to beat Juubito.

I would say you are right but you aren't. It is actually a necessary requirement to be in danger for the sharingan to unlock so it doesn't matter. Naruto got sage mode in a controlled environment and KCM was because Kurama allowed him to get that far. I believe there is a chapter where Kurama said that he was watching over naruto and helping him along the way. I never said sasuke was accomplishing big feats either, but the path he chose to take required sacrfices and I don't see any sharingan powers being unlocked through friendship and warm environments.

Acutally what Kurama said was that he allowed Naruto to get some of his chakra in order to weaken the seal. The more Naruto used it, the more the seal would weakened so Kurama always try getting Naruto to use his power. Minato left the seal's key with Jiraiya so he can reseal the seal if needed . SM isn't something you can just obtain in the mist of danger tho, you have to actually train thru each step which takes months to years depending on the type of learner you are. Naruto used 3 clones for his training which made him learn 4x faster.

Kurama was using Naruto so he can escape, When Naruto stopped using his power, he made it so Naruto couldn't fuse with Ma and Pa so he would have to rely on Kurama's power. So Kurama was as much of a hindrance as much as a helper.

Now this is a good post: no character bashing, just evaluation. All I really said in the opening post was how one could easily just get on good terms with a jinchuuriki in order to use its power, which doesn't really take any skill but it does take personality. I do give it to Naruto because he is a persistent person who values the bonds he has and doesn't give up. But if you think about it; Kishi chose to make everyone like Sasuke somebody who wasn't too persistent; to emphasize the fact that Naruto doesn't give up, and by having that attitude in the end Itachi trusted him and Sasuke is now fighting for the leaf. Sasuke's hatred for his brother led him to not care about anything even letting Orochimaru use him, and it was all because Itachi did not tell him the truth. He didn't give up on Orochimaru because he never really trusted him to begin with. Still though the jinchuuriki has one of a few choices- stay in the body it's in, or struggle to break out. Kurama already knows that Naruto is a good person so he just sat back and slept and didn't go too crazy trying to break out. Kurama's only choice when he gave him Bijuu mode I believe was to be controlled by madara or naruto.

Difference for Sasuke and Naruto is that Naruto could have easily went down the dark path too but chose to go down a brighter path while Sasuke chose to give in to his anger and revenge. It is true that Sasuke actually knew he lost his family while Naruto grew up alone so he had loneliness, hatred and a desire for revenge while Naruto had loneliness and hatred. Sasuke wasn't the only one who suffered tho, Gaara lost him mom and grew up feared and hated by his whole clan, even thought him mom hated him for a while but he overcame all of this and chose to change for the better while Sasuke closed his eyes to the light (Sasuke's and Gaara's convo at the Kage Summit).

And you can farther the Sharingan without going down an evil path as shown by Kakashi, yes he killed someone close to him but it wasn't for an evil purpose. Sasuke still would have gotten the 3 tomoes if he stayed good and ultimately would have gotten MS with Itachi's help when the time came to beating Itachi (since Akatsuki were on the move in Shippuden).

Also Kurama can't just break out or go wild. He's trapped in a cage. Only 2 ways known are during pregnancy or by constant use of the Bijuu's chakra weakens the seal. Naruto stopped using Kurama's power for a good amount of time and had it resealed by Minato in the Pain arc.
 

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If bm is not a big feat then nothing is.
 

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The power to subdue a demon filled with hatred and power no man can comprehend is not a feat?!?!?
The power to befriend this creature of chaos and destruction is not a feat?

If that's not a feat, then buddy I don't know what is.....

The demon/bijuu/tailed beast eats away at the hosts fear, anger, and hatred....... Any sign of weak emotion would give the power and advantage to take over it's host. Naruto poses the 9 tailed which is as powerful as the remanding tailed beasts combined (Did you not see the nine tail deflect all the TBB's on his own!!!).
To make matters worse Naruto had this beast lurking inside of him since day one, day of birth and yet was some how able to keep a steady set emotion and over come the hatred of being alone, hated, and feared. To understand truly the power of the nine tailed and how it works on taking over the host through emotion, just re-watch the pain arc......... When Naruto lost control what happened....... Didn't the nine tail poses Naruto, and nearly broke out of the cage/prison/seal if not for minato. If it was any other character, other then Naruto do you believe that they would be able to accomplish this FEAT of keeping this dark, cold, hate entity at bay even though Naruto has suffered the most!? That is the question you should be asking
 
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