[Discussion] Why Magellon still owns Luffy

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MAGELLAN VS LUFFY.

Hey all... Trying to up my debate and assessing skills, and what better place than NB. So the topic I decided to tackle was Luffy vs Magellan, a rarely thought out match that Luffy usually wins through fan favorite votes. So I'm here to prove why Magellan would rightfully win in a fight, high diff at most.

PURE STRENGTH
Luffy>Magellan in terms of pure strength, as far as we've seen. I'm sure we can all agree on this.

DURABILITY
This is one of Magellans most dominating qualities, his tough durability and high defense. During his matches with Luffy he has been shown to take a few hits, tanking multiple Jet powered attacks from an enraged Luffy, as well as blocking his wax covered GGN Stamp with one arm. I'd like to remind you all that his G2 attacks, regardless of post or TS have never been anything to smirk at. These were the same attacks that were able to deal great damage, even to the likes of the worlds strongest assassin, Rob Lucci and his strongest Tekkai. This same attack that, albeit combined with G3, took down Moriah, the man stated to have fought equally with Kaido, Magellan shrugged off.

Not only that, but he's developed extreme resistance to temperatures all across the thermometer. He's able to withstand the blazing hot temperatures of the 4th level, that was stated to be boiling and could cook a live bird in seconds (just for a moment, try and imagine how hot that is. Not even the highest temp of your oven could do that), as well as the freezing, sub-zero temperatures of Level 5, which instantly froze all food upon contact with the air, without even being bothered by it. Holy ****, he's probably never had a cold in his life.

And to seal to the deal on his superior defense, Magellan casually coats himself with a thick layer of poison every match. I'm already expecting a "Luffy is immune to poison" comment, but I'll get back to that later.

DF
Magellans DF by itself is superior to Luffys, in both attack power and battle application. Poison triumphs stretching. Luffy is a hand to hand combat fighter, and this is his instant downfall. He can't touch Magellan without Haki, or he'll die. Simple as that. Sure, he may do some damage in the process of going all out, but in the end it'll either be a tie or Magellans win.

Magellan however is different. He's a long range fighter and a damn strong one as well, the 2nd strongest in the series (the first being Laws haxed DF).

For starters, wether or not the opponent is using Haki, all it takes is 1 strike to take someone down. Even the smallest drop of his poison can be a death sentence, as it quickly spreads through the body and straight to the nervous system, where it viciously attacks and induces unbearable pain until it kills the victim.
2nd, his poison is fast. REALLY fast. He has demonstrated this by managing to hit Luffy, even in Gear 2nd, a speed, once again on par with Lucci.
3rd, Magellans got variety in his attacks and can come in from multiple directions. His most dangerous attack Hydra can chase Luffy as long as it wants, as far as it needs to go and attack from any direction with either of its heads. And if that fails, he can swim through one of them at high speed and bam, wouldn't know what hit him.
4th, the 'Gear 2nd' of the Doku Doku no Mi, Kinjite. Instant kill tech with a remarkably large range, and burns through anything it touches. It's so powerful that Magellan commented "this poison could destroy impel down itself". It's almost like this poison has a mind of its own too, seeing how it crawls up any surface it touches until deactivated.
5th, even this mans breath is deadly. It's dangerous to even be around him. That's all it takes is for Luffy to get close and for him to breath in his face, an it's GG. Makes him temporarily deaf and ruins his vision to where he can't even see what he's doing. I'll admit though, the effect won't be as intense as it was round 1, due to his newfound resistance, but it's not like he's immune. This will give Magellan ample time to end the match.

"B-But Luffy is immune to M-Magellans poison!"
Caesars has is so much weaker than Magellans poison it's not worth the joke.
He never stated he was immune. He just said that poison didn't effect him much anymore.
Resistance will only take him so far. Think about it, the ONLY thing resistance does is delay the inevitable. Once it touches him, it'll still be doing damage, but just at a slower rate. And this still depends on the quantities he receives it in.
This was an resistance he developed only to Maggie's weaker poison, not Kinjite which you cannot develop a resistance to.

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"Hype"
By saying Luffy can beat Magellan, you are saying Luffy can beat Shilliew, who I should remind you was stronger than Yami BB, and still weaker than Magellan, seeing how he was able to put him in the slammer.
You are also saying Luffy can beat Jimbe, which isn't too hard to believe.
You are also saying that Luffy can beat Ivankov.
And that he can beat Croc... Who he has.

But most importantly, you're saying that Luffy can beat all of the above chars in a fight at once, since that whole force was alarmed by Magellans name and knew even as a team that they could not best him.

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Thank you for reading and let me know what you think.
 

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luffy should beat him, since he's now immune to poison to an extent.
 

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So Magellen>DD?
Luffy will defeat DD...
Luffy won't be defeating DD by himself, if he does there will be some sort of handicap for Doffy or Luffy will find a weakness via Law.
 

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Interesting points but I can really see Luffy winning extreme high diff...

Actually it could go either way imo
 

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Isnt Luffy Immune to poison at this point? So I think that gives him a huge advantage. And if luffy combines his third gear with Busoshoku Haki he should be able to easily bypass the poison and logia ability of Megellan and KO him.

Basically luffy can win with this:

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Interesting points but I can really see Luffy winning extreme high diff...

Actually it could go either way imo
Luffy is a close quarters hand to hand fighter which is his downfall, it's either a tie or Magellon wins.

And please post facts because I can't really argue with an opinion.


Isnt Luffy Immune to poison at this point? So I think that gives him a huge advantage. And if luffy combines his third gear with Busoshoku Haki he should be able to easily bypass the poison and logia ability of Megellan and KO him.

Basically luffy can win with this:

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I don't believe you read the op. Magellans Haki is at least on the same level as Luffy, that is a very safe assumption to make. He has to at least have his level Haki to alarm jimbe And Ivankov as he did, and be put in charge of the most dangerous and strongest criminals in the grand line.

And like I said... sigh, Haki or not he will touch his armor of poison, Kinjite poison if he feels like it, and no Haki can guard against that poison. And that attack, by no means is an insta win. Many ways to counter that, honestly.

And Magellan is not a logia.
 
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I don't believe you read the op.

I did read the OP. You said that luffy may have some resilience to poison but resilence will only take him so far. What im saying is that if he uses third gear and coats it with Busoshoku Haki then the poison wont be a problem at all. Megallan would get crushed.
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What part do you think I missed in the OP?
 

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Luffy>Magellan but current Luffy can't beat Magellan. Its a bad match-up.

Magellan uses DIFFERENT KINDS of poison and Luffy only developed antibodies against Hydra and Poison Spider Cloud(Caesars poison has the same properties as Magellan's poison cloud which why Luffy was immune). Even if Luffy has antibodes, he can only withstand so much. The Hydra may no longer be fatal early one, but Luffy will still feel pain Not to mention that Hydra causes paralysis.. Luffy can't beat Magellan without touching him and every time Luffy touches Magellan, he'll just poisoned even more. Remember, the poison Magellan is coated in is the same poison used in the Hydra.

Luffy HAS NO ANTIBODIES against the poison used for Venom Demon as he never got poisoned by it before. When Magarllan uses Venom Demon, he coats his body in its poison. Luffy can't touch Magellan unless he wants a draw.
 

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Luffy would probably out last Magellan either way since Magellan has Diarrhea.
 

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Ill change my response.

Luffy has a high chance of winning, unless he allows Magellan to use Venom Demon. If Magellan pulls that off then I dont see luffy winning.
 

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I did read the OP. You said that luffy may have some resilience to poison but resilence will only take him so far. What im saying is that if he uses third gear and coats it with Busoshoku Haki then the poison wont be a problem at all. Megallan would get crushed.
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What part do you think I missed in the OP?
The part that I mentioned in both the op and my last post, that using Haki won't protect you from that poison. It will allow you to land solid hands, but not immunity from the poison, otherwise anybody with Haki could potentially beat him.

It may slow it down on varying levels depending on the strength of the haki, but it won't grant outright immunity.

And his shield of kinjite, with laughs in the face of haki.


Ill change my response.

Luffy has a high chance of winning, unless he allows Magellan to use Venom Demon. If Magellan pulls that off then I dont see luffy winning.
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this fight depends on if COA can protect you from the poison or not if it can protect you than Luffy wins this easily ,if not than its a Draw because Luffy will hit him and get poisoned but he will take down Magellan with him
in either way i cant see Magellan wining this

Luffys haki protected him from shinokuni so it is possible to protect him from the poison
 
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i have always said that magallen beats luffy.he ate the poison fruit guy got to have more then 1 kind of poison.soloed ivankov and the whole BB crew.
 

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The part that I mentioned in both the op and my last post, that using Haki won't protect you from that poison. It will allow you to land solid hands, but not immunity from the poison, otherwise anybody with Haki could potentially beat him.

It may slow it down on varying levels depending on the strength of the haki, but it won't grant outright immunity.

And his shield of kinjite, with laughs in the face of haki.


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So I guess Magellan is >= Prime Garp then.
 

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Can Magellon tank a Red Hawk?

Probably, well at least post-TS Magellan would. Pre-TS dropped to the ground after Luffy sent a bazooka at him so I doubt he can take on a red hawk.
 
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