Why Madara is the best character!

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:rolleyes: please. you want to talk about over dramatic? princess madara PMS everywhere because he overheard tobirama making funof him then came back even more emo than MS sasuke to destroy the village then bite off his best friend's flesh all so he can to do some retarded ass matrix rip off by trapping everyone into the matrix genjutsu. Honestly, if you look at it, it's essentially recycled the sameshit sasuke went through in canon except without the sasuke superior build up and more believable circumstance to switch from good to bad.
lmao Uchiha can be so over dramatic sometimes XD

Still, it sucks how all the angst and edge was justified by that stupid "Sharingan makes you emo" nonsense. Like, wat? It's like Kishi knew the motives of Uchiha like Obito were so piss poor he had to make up this whole being consumed by darkness stuff :lol
 
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lmao Uchiha can be so over dramatic sometimes XD

Still, it sucks how all the angst and edge was justified by that stupid "Sharingan makes you emo" nonsense. Likw, wat? It's like Kishi knew the motives of Uchiha like Obito were so piss poor he had to make up this whole being consumed by darkness stuff :lol
****ing exactly. word for word.
That "love too much" was to justify obito's shit writing. I can tell kishi got that gay shit from starwars prequels with anakin
 

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****ing exactly. word for word.
That "love too much" was to justify obito's shit writing. I can tell kishi got the gay shit from starwars prequels.
It's not only Obito though. Pretty much every Uchiha has their characters ruined because of that because it makes it out to be as though they're not the one in control of their emotions. Granted, it is SUPER obvious Obito was the REASON the concept was introduced, since starting a war over a girl who's been dead for 2 decades is asinine.

Obito really should have died after Kakashi stabbed him through the heart, followed by Madara using Rennie Tensei to revive himself, instead we waste like 60 chapters more on Kishimoto trying SO DAMN HARD in such a pathetic way to backpedal all of Obito's sins in order to "redeem" him. All the wars, all the countries, the jinchuriki, Uchiha, Mist Swordsman, Shinobi alliance. How did this retard even redeem himself? By helping Naruto? So what of all the other people he wronged? Leaving Kurnai and Mirai without Asuma, leaving Naruto an orphan, killing Neji, started a war that killed at least 60,000 people, massacring the Uchiha. It's so pathetic because even though Kishimotot tried so hard to redeem Obito, he CAN'T be redeemed unless the whole world forgives him, because he wronged the entire world, unlike Sasuke, who wronged only a small handful of people.

He was such a cancer to the end of the war, honestly.
 
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It's not only Obito though. Pretty much every Uchiha has their characters ruined because of that because it makes it out to be as though they're not the one in control of their emotions. Granted, it is SUPER obvious Obito was the REASON the concept was introduced, since starting a war over a girl who's been dead for 2 decades is asinine.

Obito really should have died after Kakashi stabbed him through the heart, followed by Madara using Rennie Tensei to revive himself, instead we waste like 60 chapters more on Kishimoto trying SO DAMN HARD in such a pathetic way to backpedal all of Obito's sins in order to "redeem" him. All the wars, all the countries, the jinchuriki, Uchiha, Mist Swordsman, Shinobi alliance. How did this retard even redeem himself? By helping Naruto? So what of all the other people he wronged? Leaving Kurnai and Mirai without Asuma, leaving Naruto an orphan, killing Neji, started a war that killed at least 60,000 people, massacring the Uchiha. It's so pathetic because even though Kishimotot tried so hard to redeem Obito, he CAN'T be redeemed unless the whole world forgives him, because he wronged the entire world, unlike Sasuke, who wronged only a small handful of people.

He was such a cancer to the end of the war, honestly.
agreed.

Ignoring some of the war arc (cause the plot was shit in general. uchiha or not) I defend sasuke's change because one can only be so devoted to revenge after so many years, influenced by S rank criminals, be psychologically secluded as the last remaining uchiha, that it would mentally cause someone to hit rock bottom and no longer be that same person. Sasuke went through all of this yet still kept it together for the most of the series and he only changed little by little until he finally broke in the summit. meanwhile, freaking obito just 180s over rin because he loved her so much (even thou he was friendzoned) and that was before he was influenced by madara. So for kishi to copout with a "love too much-leads to hatred etc" is an insult to everything sasuke struggled through in resisting bloodlust to keep his integrity for so long before he succumbed. You could argue madara did the same as sasuke, but it was during the era of war, like seriously, what could you expect, a clan leader at that.... he even bonded with hashirama and brought peace but still bailed because he listened to a senju? smh no excuse.

Now the whole Redeem, revolution etc. It's too illogical. Tobirama claiming madara lost of brothers turned him into the cold heart that he is and yet the latter did all this for peace. like what? same with obito. he did all this horrific offensives to bring peace as well? that's inconsistent. if they're reasonable enough to want peace then they're mentally and emotionally capable of doing the right thing. Which is what obito did, but for it to take this long? over some TnJ with naruto? obito and madara don't deserve to be forgiven and definitely deserved to die. As for sasuke, I wasn't that fond of his revolution arc but I still believe it was slightly better handled. Because 1. he's a real victim in the fallacy of the ninja system therefore actually knows what the real problem is. 2. he went from madness to reasonable by the help of someone else(edo itachi) unlike obito who was already reasonable to begin with that simply just needed to get his ass kicked. 3. when sasuke became reasonable his only aim was directed at kages and bijuus (technically naruto too but because he had kurama in him) to bring his form of peace which like with obito, he only needed to get his ass kicked by naruto since sasuke was reasonable after talking with itachi.

It still doesn't justify his actions in NV but from a reader perspective I think it's fine and forgivable. besides, most of his crimes weren't against bystanders unlike pain. I don't know how long Ay been as raikage but I do know that cloud village been responsible for kidnapping two konoha girls and inevitably got neji's father killed as a scapegoat so sasuke taking B was karma lol (even thou B escaped uninjured)
 
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Best character? Nah..
He was about to be one of the best and even a great antagonist in general, but toilet man Kishimoto thought it's the best to troll and flush him down the toilet.
 

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Madara never encountered your fav so I won't say that to you. I was just saying that to trigger people since it is true that Madara soloed almost everybody's fav.
Nahhh Kabuto's the fav, and he got Kabuto good and proper, out of one genjutsu and straight into another lol

I have problems with Maddy as a character but that's mainly bc it was with him the manga pacing took a nosedive. Still just disappointed from when he was a strong fav around 2010-12 time before he joined the final battlefield. I preferred him in myth and wish Naruto hadn't gone much further into the past. Madara's backstory could've still been explored just more like a fairy tale IMO. He was a disappointment for me personally.]

That 2017 long-lasting bitterness tho.
 

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Madara never encountered your fav so I won't say that to you. I was just saying that to trigger people since it is true that Madara soloed almost everybody's fav.
He didn't solo oro tho:p
Even if he succeed to genjustu him, It was all thanks to the stupid tree, which is Kaguya's power.
So oro solos.
Hope you don't take it seriously:D
 
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Nahhh Kabuto's the fav, and he got Kabuto good and proper, out of one genjutsu and straight into another lol

I have problems with Maddy as a character but that's mainly bc it was with him the manga pacing took a nosedive. Still just disappointed from when he was a strong fav around 2010-12 time before he joined the final battlefield. I preferred him in myth and wish Naruto hadn't gone much further into the past. Madara's backstory could've still been explored just more like a fairy tale IMO. He was a disappointment for me personally.]

That 2017 long-lasting bitterness tho.
I respect your opinion. It's just everybody's in this thread is bashing Madara because of HER opinion.

He didn't solo oro tho:p
Even if he succeed to genjustu him, It was all thanks to the stupid tree, which is Kaguya's power.
So oro solos.
Hope you don't take it seriously:D
He still caught him in genjutsu though lol.
 

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lmao Uchiha can be so over dramatic sometimes XD

Still, it sucks how all the angst and edge was justified by that stupid "Sharingan makes you emo" nonsense. Like, wat? It's like Kishi knew the motives of Uchiha like Obito were so piss poor he had to make up this whole being consumed by darkness stuff :lol
It was a hypothesis. It was never proven in the manga.
 

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I respect your opinion. It's just everybody's in this thread is bashing Madara because of HER opinion.



He still caught him in genjutsu though lol.
Yeah, bad fans set a bad example for sure haha, if I didn't know better i'd say it was a troll thread.

'Soloing your fav' doesn't count as an argument tho ;D
 

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It's just fun to say since he really has soloed a lot of people's fav lol.
juss playing, the 'solo ur fav' argument is taken seriously on here by a lot of people

It's why i'm happy characters like Sarada are getting a following right at the very end of it all, characters who have few feats and little screentime but supported by people who actually like the character than vapid power-wankers. Madara was a cool elitist wetdream (prior to Juubi) but Sarada is adorable, mature and capable. I like both getting recognition actually, just for the right reasons preferably.
 

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juss playing, the 'solo ur fav' argument is taken seriously on here by a lot of people

It's why i'm happy characters like Sarada are getting a following right at the very end of it all, characters who have few feats and little screentime but supported by people who actually like the character than vapid power-wankers. Madara was a cool elitist wetdream (prior to Juubi) but Sarada is adorable, mature and capable. I like both getting recognition actually, just for the right reasons preferably.
Well this was a good thread not just one of those Madara power wanks lol.
 
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