Why JJ madara > Hagoromo.

[Omar19992010]

JJ Hagoromo>Non-Jin Hagoromo>=3 Eyed Madara

Non-Jin Hagoromo still has the advantage over Madara due to the fact that he has better mastery over the Rinnegan and the Moon and Sun Seals. The only advantage Madara really has is that he has EMS along with his Rinnegan but that's not really gonna help in this battle.

 

[Holy God]

JJ Hagoromo>Non-Jin Hagoromo>=3 Eyed Madara

Non-Jin Hagoromo still has the advantage over Madara due to the fact that he has better mastery over the Rinnegan and the Moon and Sun Seals. The only advantage Madara really has is that he has EMS along with his Rinnegan but that's not really gonna help in this battle.

What is mastery over the Rinnegan going to do? As far as anyone knows, mastery is being able to use multiple paths at the same time, which obviously Madara can perform. There isn't anything beyond the Six Paths, which Madara can efficiently use.

 

[Omar19992010]

What is mastery over the Rinnegan going to do? As far as anyone knows, mastery is being able to use multiple paths at the same time, which obviously Madara can perform. There isn't anything beyond the Six Paths, which Madara can efficiently use.

Better mastery over the Rinnegan allows him to perform more advanced techniques of the Six Paths.

 

[davidou]

What is mastery over the Rinnegan going to do? As far as anyone knows, mastery is being able to use multiple paths at the same time, which obviously Madara can perform. There isn't anything beyond the Six Paths, which Madara can efficiently use.

His mastery allowed him to use COAT.
He studied to find how to undo IT.
That's all we were told but it's possible that he has done more.

 

[patskie14]

When given mere pieces of Hagoromo's power, Naruto and Sasuke started stomping Madara.
But somehow Madara can fight the real thing and win? Okay.

Not to mention they received that from a greatly weakened hagoromo

 

[Scryed]

Not to mention they received that from a greatly weakened hagoromo

Greatly weakened? Are you sure? He was a ghost afterall..

I just figured it was a Non-Jin Hagoromo.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Wrong. Using the Juubi back then, and this Juubi and the fight between Kaguya and her sons to powerscale isn't going to work.

-Naruto and Sasuke only got half of Hagoromo's power, and they are both stronger than Juubito individually.

-Hagoromo himself is stronger than Juubito.

If this logic was sound, we'd be coming to the conclusion that JJ Hagoromo>JJ Madara>JJ Obito>Naruto>Sasuke, even though Manga has shown that Naruto and Sasuke are both Obito, who was stated to be above the Juubi. Then there's the fact that Madara w/ the Juubi and one eye couldn't handle a portion of Naruto and Sasuke's power, so there's no way he can take out Hagoromo.

And then there's the fact that Hagoromo said Madara got a power close to his, not equal.

Let me get this straight, RM Naruto and rinnegan Sasuke were manhandling Madara to where he fled with Hagoromo's chakra. Yet hagoromo himself is weaker than Madara....interesting :skorm:

go re read that fight. madara got hit 3 times, once by the fire Rasen shiruken, and twice by sasuke's sword. madara was able to counter their seal attempt with limbo swap, got his 2nd eye, limbo pushed both of them with out lifting a single limb, went and casually casted infinite tsukuyomi, something naruto and sasuke were supposed to stop but couldn't even though madara was super nerfed and wasn't even using his jutsus.

naruto and sasuke didn't "man handle" madara. Infinite tsukuyomi was casted thus madara won the fight between them. again u guys wanna act all smart but cant realize how madara got nerfed and the way shonen manga's are set up. the good guys can be 100 times weaker and still win. on a real death fight, no story line involved madara would make short work of them. imagina every jutsu madara did through out the war boosted by Hagoromo chakra and juubi chakra? please sit down kid.

hagoromo needed help to fight the juubi, he cant take on the juubi by himself, madara has the juubi, what dont you get?

 

[V h o]

naruto and sasuke didn't "man handle" madara.

Except they did, Madara got cut him half and wrecked by LRS. He was given such a hard time that he had to power up twice (once with the tree, and again with his other eye).

Infinite tsukuyomi was casted thus madara won the fight between them.

Read the manga, Sasuke protected Team 7, Madara won nothing.

again u guys wanna act all smart but cant realize how madara got nerfed and the way shonen manga's are set up.

Nerf'd? Do you know how much BS madara pulled for the sake of plot?
Explain to me how Madara can see through shadow clones despite no other dojutsu being able to. How Madara can overpower the same gates that restrained the juubi. How Madara can miraculously learn SM. And all the other BS Madara pulled while in his plot device.

the good guys can be 100 times weaker and still win.

That's not the case here, when both of them forced Madara to flee, despite him claiming to be more than enough for them pre duel rinnegan.

on a real death fight, no story line involved madara would make short work of them.

Except he didn't, and that was a real fight

imagina every jutsu madara did through out the war boosted by Hagoromo chakra and juubi chakra? please sit down kid.

Please get Madara's vagina out of your mouth and don't quote me again. smh

hagoromo needed help to fight the juubi, he cant take on the juubi by himself, madara has the juubi, what dont you get?

What don't you get? Half of Hago's power was already wrecking this juubi powered Madara.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Wrong. Using the Juubi back then, and this Juubi and the fight between Kaguya and her sons to powerscale isn't going to work.

-Naruto and Sasuke only got half of Hagoromo's power, and they are both stronger than Juubito individually.

-Hagoromo himself is stronger than Juubito.

If this logic was sound, we'd be coming to the conclusion that JJ Hagoromo>JJ Madara>JJ Obito>Naruto>Sasuke, even though Manga has shown that Naruto and Sasuke are both Obito, who was stated to be above the Juubi. Then there's the fact that Madara w/ the Juubi and one eye couldn't handle a portion of Naruto and Sasuke's power, so there's no way he can take out Hagoromo.

And then there's the fact that Hagoromo said Madara got a power close to his, not equal.

Except they did, Madara got cut him half and wrecked by LRS. He was given such a hard time that he had to power up twice (once with the tree, and again with his other eye).

Read the manga, Sasuke protected Team 7, Madara won nothing.


Nerf'd? Do you know how much BS madara pulled for the sake of plot?
Explain to me how Madara can see through shadow clones despite no other dojutsu being able to. How Madara can overpower the same gates that restrained the juubi. How Madara can miraculously learn SM. And all the other BS Madara pulled while in his plot device.

That's not the case here, when both of them forced Madara to flee, despite him claiming to be more than enough for them pre duel rinnegan.

Except he didn't, and that was a real fight

Please get Madara's vagina out of your mouth and don't quote me again. smh



What don't you get? Half of Hago's power was already wrecking this juubi powered Madara.

maybe if u was smarter my son. to keep it short, madara got hit 3 times, and naruto and sasuke got hit twice in between the two. but they couldnt stop IT, so madara takes this W.

 

[Holy God]

His mastery allowed him to use COAT.
He studied to find how to undo IT.
That's all we were told but it's possible that he has done more.

1. Creation Of All Things is not performed by the Rinnegan
2. Correct, but it is not a Rinnegan technique. It simply requires one (pair), the tailed beasts, and a meager hand-sign

 

[davidou]

1. Creation Of All Things is not performed by the Rinnegan
2. Correct, but it is not a Rinnegan technique. It simply requires one (pair), the tailed beasts, and a meager hand-sign

OK , but the point is to show that his mastery over things allowed Hagoromo to master jutsus that Madara hasn't shown.