Why Jiraiya > itachi

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

jiraiya > itachi

Great thread dude

 

[omarsen]

then u r an idiot. itachi was only made an excuse cos he is a good guy.

Yep he is good guy gerg

I give the thread 3/10. Needs a lot of improvement and you need serious training in debating.​

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Thanks, ya I should definitely use more time next time. Made this thread in 30min max.

jiraiya > itachi

Great thread dude

thanks

 

[xxSAGExx]

I have never said this before and I hate fanboys saying this but itachi could literally one-shot jiraya before he goes into sage mode which he takes a long time doing which would be bad against itachi who is a quick battle ender...

sound genjutsu could affect itachi but he did go up against sound genjutsu from dsm kabuto and although he was immobile which is what ma and pa's do itachi still was able to make his susano move and protect sasuke from kabuto so that sound shit can be overcome by itachi and they cant do anything to yata mirror....

tsukoyami could end the battle before jiraya goes into sage mode which he takes a long time doing...

all his jutsu against susano is negated by yata

he cant beat itachi in taijutsu while in base form, but in sage mode he could be a problem but once he goes to his full power itachi would use his which is susano

jiraya's hope is that itachi doesn't one-shot him from the jump and that he can make into sage mode

and how can jiraya block amaterasu with his hard hair if he cant sense it coming before he goes into sage mode??? the answer is he cant and he would be burnt alive and that seal cannot be done in live combat so u can gone on with that shit...itachi wins this man if somebody says otherwise then...


jiraya gets beat before he goes into sage mode he takes too long going into it..gg by any itachi jutsu

Not really, Amaterasu gets counter with shadow clone or substitution jutsu. Jiraiya has knowledge on Amaterasu so it's not like he will be caught by surprised. Itachi showed that he needs to be in a close distance while making eye contact with his MS, he usually close that eye before using it so avoiding that gaze wouldn't be hard and using shadow clones can also prevent this.

You're wrong on the sound genjutsu, you're thinking about white rage which isn't a genjutsu but a jutsu that takes out the eyes and hearing with bright light and high pitch sound. The sound genjutsu was where Itachi and Sasuke couldn't break out without using genjutsu on each other. Frog sound paralyzes your nerves and mind so you can literately do nothing

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For Susanoo, Jiraiya can just sink it with Swamp of the underworld and Jiraiya made one that can sink Susanoo when he was weakened and at about 30% power

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. People really seem to forget that MS jutsus hurt Itachi and overuse kills him, Susanoo alone ached every cell in Sasuke's body and he wondered how much pain Itachi must have felt

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I don't what episode was it but it was when itachi and kisame were going to kidnap naruto. Itachi said that if they fight jiraiya one on one they will die if two on 1 one of them will die or jiraiya will die but they will leave massive injuries

Itachi said if the 3 of them fought then they will all die or be seriously injured, same result if they had backup. Jiraiya proved this right when he fought Pein, all Pein bodies are Kage level ninjas and Jiraiya killed 3 of them then got overwhelmed and then killed 1 more before dying. He took out 4 Kage ninjas.

As much as I love Jiraya - sadly I think he would lose.
Its not a matter of who's stronger, Jiraya has the disadvantage here "Tsukuyoumi" - Amaterasu and Susano would be enough of a challenge for him, if you add Tsukuyoumi, Jiraya will more likely lose. If you add totsuka + Izanami/Izanagi - Jiraya is Definitely screwed!

So all in all, Jiraya loses against Itachi!

However . against an Ill Itachi - he has a Good chance, especially if he's familiar with itachis techs.

Jiraiya has knowledge of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Shadow clone or substitution for Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi needs to be done in a closer distances and Itachi closes that eye before use, so using shadow clone or shooting a katon blast will stop it or counter it. Susanoo will get sinked by Swamp of the underword, Jiraiya made one able to sink it when he was weakened and at 30% power so at full power it would be bigger. Izanami isn't going to work on Jiraiya since he doesn't try to define who he is from adding others to himself and Itachi even said he it's not a jutsu to be used in real combat as shown by him getting fatal blows from Kabuto while preparing it so if he tried it then he'll lose an eye and Susanoo along with Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi. Izanagi wouldn't last long if he can use it since you need Senju DNA to have the complete form which Tobi used and he'll lose 2 of his 3 MS jutsus to escape death.

 

[Shura]

Haha, no. Your attempts at downplaying Itachi are rather poor and pathetic.

The counter for Amaterasu is ridiculous. It's not going to be countered by some ''hair''. Especially since if it were to hit his hair, it would spread to his whole body. More so, the size of sick Itachi's Amaterasu is easily much larger than a human [

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] so some hair won't do the trick since Amaterasu will be on his whole body, including face, legs and arms. Furthermore, Amaterasu burns rather fast if Itachi focuses his sight on the target, seeing as how it was capable of eating a Katon and burning through a whole wall of flesh in a few seconds.

The sealing won't do the trick at all because you are not only assuming that Itachi will just still and watch him seal Amaterasu, you are also summoning that he will be capable of doing so while Amaterasu is on him and you are assuming that the Amaterasu won't burn the scroll before he manages to seal it since Amaterasu would be on his whole body, including hands and clothes. The pain caused by Amaterasu made Kirabi trash around like an idiot and Obito fell of his feet, if you think Jiraiya will actually be capable of sealing something while Amaterasu is on him then you are being biased.

And there is no point in bringing up Gaara's sand. It didn't block Amaterasu, it blocked Enton. Sasuke even states in the same scan you posted 'I had to use a defensive Enton'. Enton actually travels to the target while Amaterasu appears on it so Enton is much slower than Amaterasu.

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Katon is a non-factor. It's easily tanked by Itachi's Susano'o because it has absolutely no desructive capability that would allow it to even damage Susano'o. The counter to Itachi's Genjutsu, on the other hand, is crap. Ma and Pa being capable of waking Jiraiya up from the Tsukuyomi? Ridiculous.

First off, this is assuming that Jiraiya starts in SM because otherwise, he won't even get the chance to summon Ma and Pa before being killed. Secondly, Tsukuyomi lasts one second in the real dimension so who are you to say that Ma and Pa would actually be capable of reacting so suddenly and waking him up before a second ends. Even so, if they are in some fanfiction capable of doing this, it isn't instant so Jiraiya would still experience some pain in the nightmare realm before they wake him up. And lastly, Tsukuyomi can only be broken by someone who has both a Kekkei Genkai and a Sharingan, or is simply Itachi's relative like Sasuke. Jiraiya has none and isn't Itachi's relative.

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Tsukuyomi 1shots. Jiraiya's own Genjutsu is a non-factor. Pein immeadiately realized that it's a Sound Genjutsu as soon as Ma and Pa started hidding. Jiraiya, himself, had to run away and hide so that Ma and Pa could prepare the Genjutsu. He isn't going to be capable of doing that here because there is absolutely nothing that stops Itachi from killing Jiraiya or the Frogs off with Yasaka Magatama, Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu. Even if they manage to prepare it, the Sound Genjutsu is an attack. Something that is ineffective against the Yata no Kagami. Sound or not, it doesn't matter, it's still an attack which means;

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The Yata no Kagami shall change it's properties to that of the Sound Genjutsu and make the Genjutsu ineffective. Moving on, the counter to Susano'o, is that actually you being serious? If so, you are a joke. Rasengan breaking the Susano'o when it didn't even put a crack on the ribcage? [

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] The frogs are a non-factor against a Sharingan user like Itachi. They will be simply controlled by his Genjutsu, turning them against Jiraiya much like Sasuke controlled Manda or how Madara and Obito controlled the Kyuubi. Of course, this is considering that Itachi doesn't decide to just kill them off.​

 

[Minator93]

I agree.

Also Swamp of the Underworld >> Susanoo U_U

 

[xxSAGExx]

Haha, no. Your attempts at downplaying Itachi are rather poor and pathetic.

The counter for Amaterasu is ridiculous. It's not going to be countered by some ''hair''. Especially since if it were to hit his hair, it would spread to his whole body. More so, the size of sick Itachi's Amaterasu is easily much larger than a human [

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] so some hair won't do the trick since Amaterasu will be on his whole body, including face, legs and arms. Furthermore, Amaterasu burns rather fast if Itachi focuses his sight on the target, seeing as how it was capable of eating a Katon and burning through a whole wall of flesh in a few seconds.

The sealing won't do the trick at all because you are not only assuming that Itachi will just still and watch him seal Amaterasu, you are also summoning that he will be capable of doing so while Amaterasu is on him and you are assuming that the Amaterasu won't burn the scroll before he manages to seal it since Amaterasu would be on his whole body, including hands and clothes. The pain caused by Amaterasu made Kirabi trash around like an idiot and Obito fell of his feet, if you think Jiraiya will actually be capable of sealing something while Amaterasu is on him then you are being biased.

And there is no point in bringing up Gaara's sand. It didn't block Amaterasu, it blocked Enton. Sasuke even states in the same scan you posted 'I had to use a defensive Enton'. Enton actually travels to the target while Amaterasu appears on it so Enton is much slower than Amaterasu.

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Katon is a non-factor. It's easily tanked by Itachi's Susano'o because it has absolutely no desructive capability that would allow it to even damage Susano'o. The counter to Itachi's Genjutsu, on the other hand, is crap. Ma and Pa being capable of waking Jiraiya up from the Tsukuyomi? Ridiculous.

First off, this is assuming that Jiraiya starts in SM because otherwise, he won't even get the chance to summon Ma and Pa before being killed. Secondly, Tsukuyomi lasts one second in the real dimension so who are you to say that Ma and Pa would actually be capable of reacting so suddenly and waking him up before a second ends. Even so, if they are in some fanfiction capable of doing this, it isn't instant so Jiraiya would still experience some pain in the nightmare realm before they wake him up. And lastly, Tsukuyomi can only be broken by someone who has both a Kekkei Genkai and a Sharingan, or is simply Itachi's relative like Sasuke. Jiraiya has none and isn't Itachi's relative.

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Tsukuyomi 1shots. Jiraiya's own Genjutsu is a non-factor. Pein immeadiately realized that it's a Sound Genjutsu as soon as Ma and Pa started hidding. Jiraiya, himself, had to run away and hide so that Ma and Pa could prepare the Genjutsu. He isn't going to be capable of doing that here because there is absolutely nothing that stops Itachi from killing Jiraiya or the Frogs off with Yasaka Magatama, Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu. Even if they manage to prepare it, the Sound Genjutsu is an attack. Something that is ineffective against the Yata no Kagami. Sound or not, it doesn't matter, it's still an attack which means;

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The Yata no Kagami shall change it's properties to that of the Sound Genjutsu and make the Genjutsu ineffective. Moving on, the counter to Susano'o, is that actually you being serious? If so, you are a joke. Rasengan breaking the Susano'o when it didn't even put a crack on the ribcage? [

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] The frogs are a non-factor against a Sharingan user like Itachi. They will be simply controlled by his Genjutsu, turning them against Jiraiya much like Sasuke controlled Manda or how Madara and Obito controlled the Kyuubi. Of course, this is considering that Itachi doesn't decide to just kill them off.​

Jiraiya already showed to have a great reaction speed to counter fast jutsus such as Konan's attack from mid-range

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and able to execute a jutsu in defense when attacked close up

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Tsukuyomi is usually done by Itachi when he gets in close with his MS active

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. But Kakashi showed how shadow clones can be used to counter Itachi's Tsukuyomi like it did his other genjutsus

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. Amaterasu can be countered with clones or Subsitution jutsu plus Jiraiya was a earth type and we seen from the war arc that doton wall is the easiest jutsu to learn. Susanoo gets countered with Frog Song which isn't an attack because it doesn't hurt any one physically and the sound will just go around yata mirror, Pein couldn't even absorb it when he can absorb all ninjutsus.

Also Ma toad or Pa toad can use Dust cloud which works like Hidden mist, it's created from chakra that can weakened the Sharingan's normal vision and chakra seeing vision. Using clones to hide the real Jiraiya is a bonus. Also there's no point to even mention Susanoo when Jaraiya can just use swamp of the underworld to sink it and the moment it's used Itachi's feet will be caught in it as well and it took down Orochimaru's giant snake when it was small for Jiraiya in his weakened state and about 30% his power at the time.

Jiraiya isn't an idiot, he knows full well of his capabilities and limits. This is shown when he only heard a few things about Pain yet made preparations in case he died by sending the key to Naruto. He was alive when Uchiha were still alive and spied on Akatsuki himself. So when he told Itachi and Kisame that they'll die by his hands he was full aware of how strong they are being S rank criminals. Itachi himself even said if they fought then they'll all die or suffer bad damages, same result if they had backup. Jiraiya proved this right in his fight with Pein, each Pein body is Kage level, the summoning path alone made Jiraiya know he'll need SM. Jiraiya took down 3 Peins, got surprised attacked by a 4th then got overwhelmed by all 6 then killed another one before dying. He took down 4 kage level ninjas before dying which goes along with what Itachi said in the first place.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Itachi and Jiraiya are roughly on par. . .

If Jiraiya and Itachi were to fight one hundred times. Itachi would win fifty, and Jiraiya would win fifty. The manga already confirms their equivalence in strength.

Also the counter you made for Amaterasu is just plain. . . ridiculous U_U.

Jiraiya and his luscious locks are incinerated.

 

[Naijakid]

Itachi ran away from Jiraiya like the lil fodder he is

 

[AGoodBoy]

I love how in these jiraiya V itachi threads the Creator tries to give a lengthy discussion on how jiraiya can defend against everything itachi has but tries to scrape a genjutsu counter in and hope no one would question it...

Seeing as itachi's a genjutsu fighter, your genjutsu section isn't enough. Itachi's entire fighting style is based on genjutsu. Seeing as he's canonically dropped A perfect jin, who has it's partner inside it's head, Jiraiya's not breaking genjutsu any quicker with 2 toads on his shoulder. For that matter, Itachi could simply hypnotise all 3 in 1 straight go when they look at him.

It's manga fact that itachi can perform a multi-person genjutsu so this thing about ma-pa stopping genjutsu isn't working unless 1 of the toads stay out of commision the entire fight and keep their head down; At which point, [let's say Pa has his head down] itachi genjutsu's jiraiya and Ma then amaterasu's Pa before he becomes aware since he's not look at his partner nor his opponent.

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Get a more thorough genjutsu counter; Else, Itachi >>>> Jiraiya with simple genjutsu. This is like stating Jiraiya Vs Mizukage and given a decent counter for everything and a lackluster counter for his clam's mist - Which is the selling point of his arsenal.

In the first place, you're assuming jiraiya would make it into SM.

 

[blazekev90]

The way people overhype amaterasu is ridiculous. Do any of you read the databook?