Why Jiraiya > itachi

[Da Best Ever]

its not my opinion of amaterasu its the opinion of kishi he wites this shit we debate it simple as that

u made a valid point about meditation and how it could make it less severe but u still fail to realize tsukoyami is the casters world at which the control entirely itachi never wanted to kill sasuke or kakashi he did what would be enough for them because like just said he has control over what happens there instead of stabbing kakashi repeatedly he could have repeatedly cut off his head which would be a more dramatic affect in the real world to the mind so that was good what u said but u still cant counter what itachi can do in that world the sky is the limit for him in that world against strong minds he would just up the antics simple as that...


danzo didn't say sasuke's tsukoyami he simply said that sasuke's genjutsu was a farcry from itachi's he didn't say tsukoyami and that wasn't tsukoyami I just explained what and how tsukoyami works so wrong...

man like I said hiding in walls or hiding period wont help him, u must really think itachi is a fool

why would u say it then if u dnt believe, and I never seen that I heard itachi say he didn't want to fight the sannin and that he would draw with jiraya of some sort and I do remember kisame saying I couldn't beat him but itachi u could...if what u said is indeed what itachi said he obviously said it out not wanting to be in a fight of that magnitude as he expressed that entire day he even praised GUY and told kisame not to underestimate him and kisame said he couldn't beat jiraya but u knw damn well kisame could damn near beat jiraya low diff because he is just a bad matchup for him so that whole shit goes out tue window so u cant use it anymore

 

[omarsen]

I am dying. Seriously. This post gave me cancer.

U just wont accept that you are a fodder debater, and dumb

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Naruto wiki, now gtfo pls, peace
"The physical benefits of Sage Mode depends on whom the human learned under but generally Sage Mode enhances the combat efficiency of the user by allowing them to tap into the natural force of the world that opens new techniques to the user and allows them to power existing ones with senjutsu chakra."

"Jiraiya. He also showed the ability to transform his limbs (e.g. his hands and feet) into those of frogs so as to aid in manoeuvrability."

 

[Da Best Ever]

no sm naruto is faster and better in sm than jiraya and even the toad sages said naruto surpassed him in it and just because jiraya spent a lifetime training in it means nothing since he still cant go into sage mode by himself he needs ma and pa to do it while naruto can go into sage mode himself so that's a difference

 

[Penguin]

U just wont accept that you are a fodder debater, and dumb

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"The physical benefits of Sage Mode depends on whom the human learned under but generally Sage Mode enhances the combat efficiency of the user by allowing them to tap into the natural force of the world that opens new techniques to the user and allows them to power existing ones with senjutsu chakra."

"Jiraiya. He also showed the ability to transform his limbs (e.g. his hands and feet) into those of frogs so as to aid in manoeuvrability."

The hell is your point? Jiraiya has an imperfect SM so he gets frog features. Hashirama and Naruto have perfect SM as they have no physical change.

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[Da Best Ever]

jiraya took the traits of the frogs because his sage mode was imperfect and it even stated that in the manga when he went into sage mode so...but man this is over with and I countered everything...itachi wins this...big thanks to the guys I debated against today they gave me a challenge and stuck to their belief

 

[omarsen]

The hell is your point? Jiraiya has an imperfect SM so he gets frog features. Hashirama and Naruto have perfect SM as they have no physical change.

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My point is, it doesn't make it less effective. And Jiraiya sage mode included speed manoeuvrability, which other sage mode didn't, madara naruto & hashirama

Sage mode doesn't grant you speed, but it did for jiraiya, which makes him special despite being imperfect.

 

[Penguin]

My point is, it doesn't make it less effective. And Jiraiya sage mode included speed manoeuvrability, which other sage mode didn't, madara naruto & hashirama

Sage mode doesn't grant you speed, but it did for jiraiya, which makes him special despite being imperfect.

Listen. Imperfect sage mode, as the name says, is not as good as perfect sage mode. Sage mode enhances all physical attributes. I do not get what is so hard to comprehend....

 

[Turson]

Jiraiya wouldnt be even able to enter SM, let alone defeat Itachi.

 

[omarsen]

Listen. Imperfect sage mode, as the name says, is not as good as perfect sage mode. Sage mode enhances all physical attributes. I do not get what is so hard to comprehend....

Alright then, could Naruto,Madara & Hashirama, crawl on the walls with super high speed, jump x2 higher like frogs do? no they couldn't, his imperfect sage mode, gave a special feat, which none other had speed + manoeuvrability.

AND THEREFORE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT LESS EFFECTIVE.

 

[Lay]

Even Tsunade will counter Amaterasu. He just disrupts the ground with his punch and disrupts Itachi's vision. Also, Toad belly

 

[salamander uchiha]

Is this even a joke hashirama would fodderise jiraiya and he admits Itachi is better than him.
Ma and pa would get totsuka'd then jiraiya get raped via tsukiyomi and sealing. The only potential threat to ita hi is the swamp of the underworld and he can probably summon a crow which can easily fly him taking it aerial. And Itachis speed rapes jiraiyas. Gamabunta and all the toad get sealed.

 

[sharinganunited]

faill.. tsuki doesn't not even need so much concetration

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gets pretty much activated in no time. looking in his eyes is dangerous. even if i was J-man i would not do it. since he has Sm he can sense itachi so what is the point of looking? anyways i'm sad Jman cannot defeat itachi since yeah.. susano. even how strong Toads are they cannot defeat the godly susano .. i mean common. thats ridicilous..
amaterasu > jmans katon.
still thinking itachi > jman mid diff

 

[omarsen]

faill.. tsuki doesn't not even need so much concetration

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gets pretty much activated in no time. looking in his eyes is dangerous. even if i was J-man i would not do it. since he has Sm he can sense itachi so what is the point of looking? anyways i'm sad Jman cannot defeat itachi since yeah.. susano. even how strong Toads are they cannot defeat the godly susano .. i mean common. thats ridicilous..
amaterasu > jmans katon.
still thinking itachi > jman mid diff

Too bad Itachi says otherwise, he needed to recover for days after he used Tsukuyomi. Itachi used it 1sec on kakashi. 1sec and needed to rest for days, that how much perfect Tsukuyomi drain your overall stats.

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[sharinganunited]

Too bad Itachi says otherwise, he needed to recover for days after he used Tsukuyomi. Itachi used it 1sec on kakashi. 1sec and needed to rest for days, that how much perfect Tsukuyomi drain your overall stats.

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using part 1 over 9 thousand. dont use old facts. otherwise yatta > ultimate defense itachi is invincible.

no toad that destroys susano with totsuka blade

 

[salamander uchiha]

Too bad Itachi says otherwise, he needed to recover for days after he used Tsukuyomi. Itachi used it 1sec on kakashi. 1sec and needed to rest for days, that how much perfect Tsukuyomi drain your overall stats.

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Where did Itachi say he needs days to recover? All he said need to resp for a while.
Rest is like a power nap not days do you think hes kakashi?

 

[Optimistic]

Horrible arguments for Jiraiya i must say.

 

[JKakano]

I have seen alot of people saying that Itachi can solo Jiraiya easily becuase of "amaterasu" lmao

So this battle is between MS-Itachi vs Jiraiya.

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amaterasu counter

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As you can see above^ is a simple counter for amaterasu, just like Gaara's absolute defense. and the sealing technique.

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Fire release
Jiraiya's fire release is better than Itachi's in this case. Fire+Wind > Fire

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Genjutsu

Tsukuyomi
wont work. Mo & Pa will wake him up, and he is in Sage Mode, which will give him more resistance against any genjutsu. Itachi using Tsukuyomi, is nearly impossible since he need to put all his focus on it, and it will put him in huge disadvantage through out the fight, he said so himself.

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Jiraiya's Genjutsu
Is better since it relay on hearing senses, even Nagato with Rinnegan couldn't break free from it.

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Susanoo counter
Gamabunta winstood against shukaku, and is as big as a tailed beast. and not to mention the other 2 toads. Gamabunta is also capable of water release. Also Ultra-rasengan pierce through Itachi's Susanoo

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Izanami won't work

If you are going to tell bullsht like Itachi 1shot with Tsukuyomi stfu, alright?
Same thing when you say Minato can take any opponent becuase of his speed. (everything got a counter)

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Jiraiya > itachi (Manga facts)

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Discuss

there is no manga facts about it. funny is oro solo 5th hokage and jiraya. itachi beat oro easily. so itachi could solo them easily. u only thinking about what u have seen. itachi has more up his sleeve. just like he died then back by edo he have shown his more powers. im sure there is more.

 

[JKakano]

Too bad Itachi says otherwise, he needed to recover for days after he used Tsukuyomi. Itachi used it 1sec on kakashi. 1sec and needed to rest for days, that how much perfect Tsukuyomi drain your overall stats.

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then u r an idiot. itachi was only made an excuse cos he is a good guy.

 

[Masked man]

I don't agree with Tsukuyomi.
It takes only one second in real world. If Itachi cathes him into it, he would be defeated sooner than Pa and Ma can notice that he is in Genjutsu.
But I agree that Jiraiya is stronger.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I give the thread 3/10. Needs a lot of improvement and you need serious training in debating.​

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