Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

[Turson]

He was faster than Rinnegan eyesight, and much faster than Itachi ever displayed

Rinnegan =/= Sharingan. Rinnegan have shared field of vision, but it cant predict movements like Sharingan. Sasuke was able to keep up with A up to Raiton Armor level 1. Thats even faster than SM Jiraiya.

Besides they can avoid eye contact, for them it's even simpler.

Not in their case. They can only "sense" while using certain techniques.

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Fighting while avoiding eye contact all the time seems easy, but thats not the case. Gai is the only person who learned how to do it flawlessly, and only after numerous fights with Kakashi.

Wtf? Why does everyone say this, it didn't take hardly any time it all, it took 1 chapter basically a minute or less in real time.

One chapter is pretty long. Besides, Itachi would give Jiraiya definietly harder time than Animal path.

1. if he studied it im pretty sure that means learning about the technique and possible ways to notice when its coming?

Thats only your imagination. Jiraiya didnt diplay any feat that would allow him to survive Amaterasu.

2. sasuke controlling manda with barely any chakra was plot no jutsu

Not really. Genjutsus were mentioned to be suitable for characters with short chakra reserves. Tsukiyomi is the only exception, but thats a special case.

not to mention im pretty ma>manda pa>manda ma and pa would require much more chakra to control considering their greater summonings.

Yeah, but Itachi has MS, which controlling abilities are on another level compared to those of normal three-tomoe Sharingan.

5. and if he does manage to use frog sound genjutsu?

And if he does manage to use Forg Song againt Nagato?

 

[Prince Charles]

Rinnegan =/= Sharingan. Rinnegan have shared field of vision, but it cant predict movements like Sharingan. Sasuke was able to keep up with A up to Raiton Armor level 1. Thats even faster than SM Jiraiya.

Not in their case. They can only "sense" while using certain techniques.

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Fighting while avoiding eye contact all the time seems easy, but thats not the case. Gai is the only person who learned how to do it flawlessly, and only after numerous fights with Kakashi.

One chapter is pretty long. Besides, Itachi would give Jiraiya definietly harder time than Animal path.

Thats only your imagination. Jiraiya didnt diplay any feat that would allow him to survive Amaterasu.

Not really. Genjutsus were mentioned to be suitable for characters with short chakra reserves. Tsukiyomi is the only exception, but thats a special case.

Yeah, but Itachi has MS, which controlling abilities are on another level compared to those of normal three-tomoe Sharingan.

And if he does manage to use Forg Song againt Nagato?

if the pein bodies which also had rinnegan couldnt get out of the genjutsu and im pretty sure rinnegan isnt immune to genjutsu, nagato well..:shrug:

 

[Turson]

if the pein bodies which also had rinnegan couldnt get out of the genjutsu and im pretty sure rinnegan isnt immune to genjutsu, nagato well..:shrug:

But only if Jiraiya will be able to use the technique. Itachi has better (than Jiraiya) chances that this will never happen.

Frog Song would be able to own every person from Narutoversum.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

U should have made this thread after we see Izanami

 

[Prince Charles]

But only if Jiraiya will be able to use the technique. Itachi has better (than Jiraiya) chances that this will never happen.

Frog Song would be able to own every person from Narutoversum.

if someone gets trapped in frog song genjutsu used by ma and pa then its basically a done deal IMO.

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it paralyzes your MIND AND YOUR NERVES i find it pretty hard to use a technique to break out of it when it paralyzes your mind and your nerves.

 

[Raito]

naruto may have surpassed him in sage mode but not over all abilities.

Naruto surpassed Jiraiya when mastered the Senninmode. His Senninmode is on a higher level, he also uses the toads skills (like frog kumite) and the toad summons, he uses the Rasengan much better and has dozens of variations and uses the Rasenshuriken. With Senninmode they're on a similar level, and if Naruto admits Sasuke, who is weaker than Itachi, is stronger than himself, Itachi should definitely be stronger than Jiraiya.

if someone gets trapped in frog song genjutsu used by ma and pa then its basically a done deal IMO.

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it paralyzes your MIND AND YOUR NERVES i find it pretty hard to use a technique to break out of it when it paralyzes your mind and your nerves.

lmao Jiraiya had already problems with reaching the Senninmode while fighting Chikushodo.How the fight will run out again Itachi? He won't be able to even reach the Senninmode.

 

[AnimeIsPerfection]

We havn't seen all that Itachi is capable of. Remember that The Masked Man said to Sasuke something like, "If Itachi really intended to kill you, I have no doubt that he would have."

Also in the latest chapter, Itachi busted out a new jutsu.

 

[Uzusenchi]

Didn't Read. I usually do but the topic of this thread just told me not to. First off how the hell do you seal a jutsu that comes from a kekkai genkai. Itachi said in part 1 he and Jiraiya would die if they fought each other. Itachi gained numerous jutsu and tactics since then.

Not to say Jiraiya didn't. But seriously even if in some crazy retarded way their power were equal Itachi would purely outsmart him. Kishi obviously made him to be respected at the least as one of the smartest ninja in the series. Itachi>Jiraiya. Edo Itachi>>>Jiraiya. I have loads of respect for Jman but he just couldn't take a win especially against Edo. The most he could do against alive Itachi is tie.

P.S. Dont say because I didn't read blah blah blah. Its nice you took the time out to type those things but I think everyone here will agree with me.

 

[Joki]

Rinnegan =/= Sharingan. Rinnegan have shared field of vision, but it cant predict movements like Sharingan. Sasuke was able to keep up with A up to Raiton Armor level 1. Thats even faster than SM Jiraiya.

No it isn't, A's regular Raiton Armor has had literally no comparison to SM Jiraiya's speed. I guess you forgot the part where Rinnegan is the evolved version of the EMS too.

Not in their case. They can only "sense" while using certain techniques.

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Fighting while avoiding eye contact all the time seems easy, but thats not the case. Gai is the only person who learned how to do it flawlessly, and only after numerous fights with Kakashi.

I mean they don't have to run around, they don't have to worry about it, they can simply shut their eyes. They're the ones pumping sage chakra into Jiraiya so genjutsu is useless.

One chapter is pretty long. Besides, Itachi would give Jiraiya definietly harder time than Animal path.

Yeah, a chapter in which it switches to a different scene and there's a huge time jump. But here? No. Go re-read the chapter, Gamaken jumped around and hit Cerberus a few times, it took literally less than a minute. Jiraiya can summon four boss toads before hand and Itachi is royally screwed.

 

[NotAnyones FanBoy]

The thing is that for u, the fight already starts with Ma and Pa on his shoulders.
Then, how to break Susanoo is speculation.
Outrunning Amaterasu is speculation.
You didnt give any reason on how to avoid Totsuka.
I still believe Itachi > SM Jman but by top difficulty

 

[qoto]

jman>>>>>>>itachi

 

[Nimbustratus]

it might hard to estimate itachi, he's so mysterious and lots of secret to have..
although he's often encounter pain, jiraiya, so on.. (in Forum only)
maybe he really have potential LOL

 

[everkuncute]

I am not actually a fan of Jiraiya or Itachi but if you watch the first season of Naruto episode 83 where Itachi & KIsame were following Jiraiya and Naruto after the death of Sandaime Itachi admitted that he cannot fight Jiraiya in equal terms, even Kisame admitted that he cannot defeat Jiraiya, they may able to take him down but both of them might be killed that's why they use diversionary tactics on using a girl to lure him away from Naruto but Jiraiya saw the plan and came back and save naruto with sasuke in the hotel.

So why people keeping this stupid debate on who's stronger?

 

[Prince Charles]

it might hard to estimate itachi, he's so mysterious and lots of secret to have..
although he's often encounter pain, jiraiya, so on.. (in Forum only)
maybe he really have potential LOL

 

[2pops]

I am not actually a fan of Jiraiya or Itachi but if you watch the first season of Naruto where Itachi & KIsame were following Jiraiya and Naruto after the death of Sandaime Itachi admited that if They try to take Naruto from Jiraiya by force they may able to take him down but both of them might be killed that's why they use diversionary tactics on using a girl to lure him away from Naruto but Jiraiya saw the plan and came back and save naruto with sasuke in the hotel

they dont wanna make a scene. the whole village battling them. not a good idea.

itachis been lying to kisame about jiraiya. if jiraiyas gone no one will protect konoha at that time.

 

[Raito]

The first question is whether Jiraiya can keep up with Itachi without his Senninmode. It doesn't take a little time to reach the Senninmode and I don't think Chikushodo by himself can exert more pressure than Itachi with his Genjutsus, Ninjutsus, speed, weapons and Mangekyou Sharingan.

This is quite pathetic, Jiraiya is strong but Itachi is clearly stronger.

Even Naruto, who can reach the Senninmode immediately admitted to be inferior to Sasuke.

 

[everkuncute]

they dont wanna make a scene. the whole village battling them. not a good idea.

itachis been lying to kisame about jiraiya. if jiraiyas gone no one will protect konoha at that time.

nope i dont think so man they are outside the village that time when they are stalking Naruto and Jiraya and I dont think Itachi cares on whoever protect the village because there are those gready elders of Konoha that want's power and also the root. During the battle in the hotel Itachi knows that they are in danger if they continue the battle that is why they retreat on battle.

Sometimes it is not wise to think that because Itachi has Susanoo, Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi he is Invincible sometime there are techniques's that can counter other technique's and i believe Itachi is the expert in analysis, i know he analyse Jiraiya so well, that is why he commented to Kisame that there will be casualties on them if they try to take Naruto from Jiraiya by force

 

[Mudo]

Jiraiya wins with high difficulty.

 

[Prince Charles]

nope i dont think so man they are outside the village that time when they are stalking Naruto and Jiraya and I dont think Itachi cares on whoever protect the village because there are those gready elders of Konoha that want's power and also the root. During the battle in the hotel Itachi knows that they are in danger if they continue the battle that is why they retreat on battle.

Sometimes it is not wise to think that because Itachi has Susanoo he is Invincible sometime there are techniques's that can counter other technique's an i believe Itachi is the expert in analysis and i know he analyse Jiraiya so well, that is why he commented to Kisame that there will be casualties on them if they try to take Naruto from Jiraiya by force

legit.

 

[genii96]

Ehm, A combined his Raiton no Yoroi lv. 2 with his Shunshin no Jutsu, he was to fast for Sasukes sight..look how Amaterasu instantly appears before the Raikage, but he's too fast for Sasukes sight. This isn't a comparison to Jiraiya.

Itachi would beat Jiraiya in his Senninmode imo, but since he needs about 5 Minutes to reach him, it would be a fight single Jiraiya against Itachi with his abilities, intellect, Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan.

Clearly obvious Itachi is > Jiraiya. I mean Jiraiya is a Sannin like Orochimaru and lost against him. Itachi defeated Orochimaru with mere Genjutsus. Itachi is one of the most dangerous opponents because not only he uses excellent and strong Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, he uses powerful Genjutsus which affect the opponents mind - the humans weakest spot.

itachi claimed he was no match for jiraiya....end of story.