[Theory] Why Jinchuuriki Obito Resembles Rikudou Sennin

[Made in Heaven]

I guess it makes sense..... Everything you say does.... well, most of it anyways

 

[Flawž]

I guess it makes sense..... Everything you say does.... well, most of it anyways

Uzumaki > Hyuga U_U

 

[Jako98146]

obito did not use any kind of sealing technique that we saw on the juubi. and we also have no idea what the rikudou looked like while he was the jinchurriki. for all we know that could be traits of the juubi jinchurriki. Just like how naruto and the gin/kin bros have whiskers like naruto (for the most part we know mito and kushina had the 9tails fully sealed/surpressed not like naruto who's chakra was infused together with kurama so he could learn to control it)


and obito could of made this form himself because he believes himself to be the new s06p

But he did use a sealing jutsu, if he didn't, then he wouldn't be a jinchuuriki

 

[Seventh Sama]

Really good theory

 

[Mr Hiru]

Obito, upon finally taking control of the Juubi's Chakra, transformed into an appearance resembling Rikudou Sennin:

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Obito's staff btw is not Rikudou's staff but a replica protruding from his black chakra:

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Rikudou Sennin's staff is a real item.


Naruto, upon obtaining Kyuubi Chakra Mode, also began to resemble Rikudou Sennin:

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Naruto, upon obtaining Bijuu Mode, changed the appearance of the seal on his belly:

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The swirl design of Naruto's KCM Seal transformed into two concentric circles.

But why two concentric circles only? why not Four Concentric Circles like Obito's?

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It is because Kurama is missing its half: its Yin-Chakra

It is my hypothesis that the reason Obito and Naruto resemble Rikudou Sennin is because their Jinchuuriki Seal have the same origin: Uzumaki Fuuinjutsu. And that Naruto's Seal will transform into something similar to Obito's when he receives Kurama's Yin Half.

Even Minato, upon accessing Kurama's Yin Chakra with his Shiki Fuujin Seal, also enters into a mode that resembles Rikudou:

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That same seal appears on Minato's KCM Mode the same place where the Shiki Fuujin Seal was: His Chest:

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The reason Obito, Naruto and Minato resemble Rikudou Sennin is because they are using Uzumaki Fuuinjutsu: Rikudou's own Fuuinjutsus.

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The Viz translation says that the Jutsu of becoming a Jinchuuriki was created by Rikudou, Kushina said that the Jutsu itself (and not just the type but the very Fuuinjutsu itself) is of Uzumaki Origin:

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And who was the second Jinchuuriki in history after Rikudou Sennin? Mito Uzumaki:

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That is why there were no Jinchuurikis prior to the alliance of the Uzumaki Clan with Konoha, because the Uzumakis have the original Fuuinjutsu of becoming a Jinchuuriki. The Uzumaki Fuuinjutsus are Rikudou's Jutsus because Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki, that is why those who uses the Uzumaki Fuuinjutsus to
access and successfully controls the Bijuus/Juubi's Chakra resemble him. They are Rikudou's jutsus, Uzumaki Fuuinjutsus.

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It's possible, but it doesn't convince me at all.

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About the Staff...

There is no proof of the Rikudou Staff being made of chakra, but there also is no proof of this staff being material. So I wouldn't count on Rikudou's picture as a 'fact'.

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About the sealing techniques...

I'm not very sure if the Uzumaki were the only ones who had known about these Fuuinjutsus. Furthermore, Kushina said that these sealing techniques were originally developed on her village, but it isn't stated that they were created by her clan specifically... That village could hold other clans just as Konohagakure has many clans nowadays (the Senju and the Uzumaki shares visions of life, they even were in good terms due to this fact).

This opens the possibility of other clans inside Uzushiogakure that could develop these jutsus and had the same or maybe better lifeforce than the Uzumaki, or that originated the Uzumaki Clan as a separated branch.

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About Tobi statements...

Sadly I don't believe in Tobi words, who is considered a liar... he even said the Rinnegan was something he gave to Nagato, and calculating ages it's impossible because Tobi and Nagato has almost the same age.

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Don't get me wrong, I gave a good look to your theories, and they are plausible, very logic, and it's obvious there is an extensive work supporting them. But as they are mainly based on symbolisms (and sometimes they are based on theorical statements disguised as facts), they lose some credibility in some paragraphs. Over all, they are good, and so as ever, I'll give a rep to you.

 

[Sherlock.]

Good Theory Bro.... =D =D

 

[InnerMe]

no hes namikaze!

I believe this as well. Ask yourself why don't we know *ANYTHING* about Minato's lineage yet? Because it's the big reveal.

 

[jt1891]

I honestly doubt the similarities are because of the seals and techniques used. More likely, it's because of the Sage's lingering influence within the Tailed Beasts themselves. His power created and shaped them, so it's entirely possible that his chakra is still present within them in some form.

To elaborate, we know that the Tailed Beast's will influences the shape and nature of the chakra shroud that is used by their Jinchuuriki. It could be that when the Tailed Beast's will is separated from it's chakra, the lingering traces of the Sage's power influences the form the cloak takes.

 

[VongolaX]

Very good, but i believe that the sage past down many things to the clans closes to him.

If you look at what the first hokage used in sage mode, it was those red-like gate which naruto used on the kyuubi.

The tori seal gave naruto and minato the appearance of the sage, including a bijuus chakra.

If you look at it, having the bijuu/tori seal is like having the body of the s06p. (senju/Uzamaki)

While Uchiha's are gifted with the sages eyes and justus called the six path techniques.

Obito has senju and Uchiha in him, all he need is the bijuus chakra. He is already full of life energy from senju, maybe bijuu chakra/juubi was the final key.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

While the theory is good at explaining a Sage = Uzumaki and the difference in apparent seals...it doesn't explain why he would DIRECTLY take the exact same physical appearance.


We have seen that the Sage was wearing the Cloak as he fought the Juubi, and in addition his saff, and sword were both real.

So before gaining any Bijuu chakra, the sage looked as he did.

However, when Obito, Naruto, and Minato took over their Bijuu, they gained a direct physical appearance to match the sage. If the Sage created the sealing procss...it would only form that circle ring that appeared on Obito initially, or the mocked down copy version on Minato and Naruto.

So it makes no logical sense that they would take on a cloak and horns appearance if the Sage didn't gain the cloak the same way. However, it does make sense symbolically.

Now, the only thing that would make sense would be this: If the Sage used the Cloak as some manner of medium for the Jutsu. This would make sense in a way because unlike today's shinobi, he noticeably wielded weapons in his hands to likely channel his chakra and jutsu....so it is arguable that his cloak was used as the sealing medium/mechanism and that would be the only logical reason for why they gain the cloak and horns.

 

[Draxus]

Actually it's open circles to symbolize the seal is open and kurama's full power is being released.

Why would the seal look like Obito's. Obito's symbol is to represent the 6 paths.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

great thread as usual. However this is assuming the sage was an uzumaki. Even though there's a lot of evidence, it's still possible the sage wasn't an uzumaki. For I believe ninja clans didn't exist in his day. It just seems........."too" obvious.

We will see eventually though.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

great thread as usual. However this is assuming the sage was an uzumaki. Even though there's a lot of evidence, it's still possible the sage wasn't an uzumaki. For I believe ninja clans didn't exist in his day. It just seems........."too" obvious.

We will see eventually though.

To be honest I'm more of a fan of the Sage just being a nobody who was just luckily born with the Rinnegan as it adds more to a legend/myth than him basically pulling an illusionist/con artist like sealing on the Juubi (I understand that's easily not what happened, but sometimes that's just how I see it)....


But even though it isn't my cup of tea....Kishi is likely going with that....especially because his obvious things tend to end up being the passing event lol ! Just look at Tobi being Obito.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

To be honest I'm more of a fan of the Sage just being a nobody who was just luckily born with the Rinnegan as it adds more to a legend/myth than him basically pulling an illusionist/con artist like sealing on the Juubi (I understand that's easily not what happened, but sometimes that's just how I see it)....


But even though it isn't my cup of tea....Kishi is likely going with that....especially because his obvious things tend to end up being the passing event lol ! Just look at Tobi being Obito.

Right. Also if the sage was uzumaki, why are his two sons the ancestors of the uchiha and senju? Why haven't any of the current uzumakis given birth to any uchihas and senjus?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Right. Also if the sage was uzumaki, why are his two sons the ancestors of the uchiha and senju? Why haven't any of the current uzumakis given birth to any uchihas and senjus?

Because Rikudou Sennin's sons were creations like the Bijuus with Banbutsu Sozo, the Elder Son is the Yin of the Juubi while the Younger Son is the Yang of the Juubi. The powers of the Senju and Uchiha come from the Juubi, the Uzumaki is the human bloodline of Rikudou Sennin without the Juubi's empowerment/influence.

 

[Draxus]

Because Rikudou Sennin's sons were creations like the Bijuus with Banbutsu Sozo, the Elder Son is the Yin of the Juubi while the Younger Son is the Yang of the Juubi. The powers of the Senju and Uchiha come from the Juubi, the Uzumaki is the human bloodline of Rikudou Sennin without the Juubi's empowerment/influence.

What he means is he believes there were creations and that is yet another theory. So what we have here is a theory based on a theory.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Because Rikudou Sennin's sons were creations like the Bijuus with Banbutsu Sozo, the Elder Son is the Yin of the Juubi while the Younger Son is the Yang of the Juubi. The powers of the Senju and Uchiha come from the Juubi, the Uzumaki is the human bloodline of Rikudou Sennin without the Juubi's empowerment/influence.

If his sons were creations of the sage just like the bijuus were, why are they not immortal like the bijuus? If they were creations, then there are no true natural humans in the manga currently. They should be immortal creations, able to manifest after death.

 

[Joon]

Because Rikudou Sennin's sons were creations like the Bijuus with Banbutsu Sozo, the Elder Son is the Yin of the Juubi while the Younger Son is the Yang of the Juubi. The powers of the Senju and Uchiha come from the Juubi, the Uzumaki is the human bloodline of Rikudou Sennin without the Juubi's empowerment/influence.

I am trying to believe your theories, but it is something about it I can not believe. I really am interested as far as the reading goes.

What he means is he believes there were creations and that is yet another theory. So what we have here is a theory based on a theory.

Which get us no where.

 

[Filo]

my favorite part Is the hypothesis of Naruto's 2 concentric circles! It makes perfect sense that this is because Kurama is missing his yin chakra I loved that point!

 

[Transcendence]

What he means is he believes there were creations and that is yet another theory. So what we have here is a theory based on a theory.

I'd love to here your genetic explanation as to how the power of the sons is so divided with such accuracy.