Why is the Sand Village so weak??
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Dęvîa Puęrî
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Sasori vs the 3rd seriously needs to b explained by kishi cuz no sand user should lose to a puppet user simply because sand clogs the joints of the puppet rendering them useless and unable to move (reason why sasori didn't go after gaara deidara did even though sasori stronger then deidara he can't beat gaara and appearntly neither can deidara since he had to use village hostage) I think sasori pulled a Julius Caesar and killed him like tht cuz I find no possible way sasori can win IMO
Now oro vs gaara daddy oro also had kabuto and kimmi with him they met to do business oro turned on him gaara daddy had two body guards but tht sucks theyre fonder compared to those 3...
U say gaara can be beaten by a lot of ppl I beg to differ only some up to a few ppl can beat this current gaara that's alive and that's saying something since he only has one ability (witch he uses so creatively) and hes no naruto and sasuke who constantly get new abilities or power ups alive only very few can beat gaara fully one on one those be madara naruto Tobi onooki and maybe orochimaru
The rest like sasuke and A or anyone else can be debated but those same ppl tht I listed beats 90% of alive or dead naruto universe
The sand village is poor can't prosper or grow anything... And it's fonder all the villages that isnt the leaf Dnt get no screen time
But the sand isn't the poorest the mist is definitely
Leaf=cloud=stone( where rver onooki from most rich)
Sand
Mist
Rain
Waterfall
Etc
Now oro vs gaara daddy oro also had kabuto and kimmi with him they met to do business oro turned on him gaara daddy had two body guards but tht sucks theyre fonder compared to those 3...
U say gaara can be beaten by a lot of ppl I beg to differ only some up to a few ppl can beat this current gaara that's alive and that's saying something since he only has one ability (witch he uses so creatively) and hes no naruto and sasuke who constantly get new abilities or power ups alive only very few can beat gaara fully one on one those be madara naruto Tobi onooki and maybe orochimaru
The rest like sasuke and A or anyone else can be debated but those same ppl tht I listed beats 90% of alive or dead naruto universe
The sand village is poor can't prosper or grow anything... And it's fonder all the villages that isnt the leaf Dnt get no screen time
But the sand isn't the poorest the mist is definitely
Leaf=cloud=stone( where rver onooki from most rich)
Sand
Mist
Rain
Waterfall
Etc
The Hidden Shinobi
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Pain is one man.. on a wholee most of the rain village is weak.
There are strong sang shinobi but on a whole most of it's village is weak compared to the other villages
Vandenre1ch
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I see your point. I was talking about strongest of all time can kill him.
But yeah. For people thats alive theres only..
Naruto
Sasuke
Orochimaru
Madara
Tobi
A
Onoki
Kakashi(maybe)
Killer Bee
YellowFang
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Fourth gave in himself....he didn't put a fight at all, don't make Gaara look stronger than he is...I don't like it
SashaUchiha
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Dęvîa Puęrî
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Ok sasuke u can argue as well as A
And I will right now Kakashi I'm shouldn't even gonna bother with cuz I Dnt think tht happen but ill do it and I forgot bout Bee yeah he prob can
Ignore the hostility (if there is any these we're previous comments I made on other threads)
Kakashi can't beat him he won't be able to reach gaara if he takes flight seriously and gaara sand attacks would kill Kakashi normal body (meaning hes not DURIBLE like kimmi or 3 rd raikage
Naruto with all his transformations and now is friends with kurama would rape my fav character gaara :'( plus plot on his side
Mei cannot beat him her acid most we Dnt know if she can use out side and her lava has been dodge by Karin (she's almost as useless as sakura) lava release while strong he won't get hit by it
Guy If he goes gates most likely but I honestly can see it going either way
Sasuke debatable simply because gaara has faught 5 susanno's at same time and if it weren't for Mei he wouldn't have miscalculated he's blocked the black flame (u call it Enton data book called it amatratsu w.e) and the Susanno arrow is fast but not instantaneous like how Mokoton is witch gaara avoided mokoton speed> Susanno arrow speed also as for Susanno arrow power when shot at kabuto kabuto dodged it and it went into a medium size pillar it didn't even fully break pillar
Pillar defense>arrow offense
Gaara sand>>pillar defense>arrow offense
A the raikage we haven't seen him use anything but taijutsu gaara knows how fast he would he's smart enough to stay in sky it's 50/50 chance with either if raikage can get to gaara b4 he reaches air (unlikely) them he wins if gaara takes flight and starts raining sand gaara takes it
The rest I agree with
Also for ppl who belive gaara can only levitate on sand watch naruto shippuden movie 3 naruto vs gaara gaara is trying to prevent naruto from passing to save Kakashi but plot makes naruto get through but back to te point it shows gaara flying in sand
Susanno arrows currently he shot one a kabuto he dodge it and hit a boulder it didn't even destroy a boulder gaara sand defense >>>>>>>>>>>boulder seeing as its seeping with chakra and created from strongest minerals the amatsaratsu it states in its description the only thing it wasnt able to burn was gaara sand just look up the jutsu and u will see it say tht
Gaara can fly ppl say sasuke can use hawk I agree but u do relize he won't be protected by Susanno and won't be able move freely while in air gaara sand comes from all directions look at his previous fights*
Ppl say gaara needed onooki jutsu to get madara out of Susanno but they forget to relize gaara has been fighting since this war started he was tired he's been fighting for days straight madara was fresh and is an edo witch is immortality infinite chakra and stamina
Plus gaara and onooki block to metors right b4 madara started going off
The lighting attacks well seeing as A didnt do anything to gaara's sand when his body was sardounded in lighting he can still touch him so lighting won't save sasuke from gaara's grabs and sand burials / imperial funnerals now as for chidori and the chidori sword does sasuke even carry a sword haven't seen it since kage summit (I might b wrong) and yes it pierced part 1 but remember it was hard as hell for sasuke to pierce it it took long as hell for it to pierce and in the end sasuke had to chidori again just to get his hand out of the sand ball
Gaara's sand is that strong in part 1 stronger when he fought kimmi even stronger when he fought deidara gotten both stronger and faster when he defended and attacked sasuke*
And now is faster then ever plus he can fight in air instead of being in sasuke chidori reach
Gaara has proven to be more smarter then sasuke in battle and has way better chakra and stamina then sasuke (sasuke couldn't handle A gaara onooki or Mei or Danzo for the matter) (gaara was able to take out 3 kages edo immortality infinite stamina and chakra and still fighting madara doing all this days straight without no breaks)
Gaara sand manage to block amatsaratsu (check amaterasu data it says it couldn't burn it didn't say Enton or blaze release it says Amaterasu) stop A from attacking
Caught the 3rd raikage (stronger then A) caught muu mizukage and his dad
Survived 5 susannos with legs so those things are faster and stronger then sasuke Susanno and are mobile and let's not forget he defended every kage exception of onooki from mokoton witch is an instant (I repeat instant) Forrest his sand speed is pretty epic not only for himself but for his teamates as well
If sasuke stayes in Susanno he will be buried underground like kimmi just tht sasuke Dnt have bone structure to survive*
Gaara can create a desert on his own like he did with kimmi
Currently in my opinion sasuke and gaara is equal this recent manga chapter proved gaara has no problems fighting 5 mobile susannos and protecting Mei from her 5 susannos*
My actual facts gaara and sasuke are equal they both have ways to defeat each other both are talented but remember sasuke gets more upgrades then gaara but gaar would still be able to hold his own against sasuke and can win same with sasuke
50/50 in my opinion it can go either way
Dęvîa Puęrî
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He Did put up a fight he wanted to test his son and he was proud on what he became but he did use gold dust against gaara witch is a jutsu witch is putting up a fight just because he gave in at the last moment due to love for his son and realizing what he did to him and treated him was wrong doesn't make it not a victory for gaara there was still fighting in the mix
Naruto wins some of his fights like that or makes some big speech and at the end the person who he was fighting comes to a realization that they was wrong thinking he's weak or wrong thinking there methods was wrong
A big example with naruto is nagato nagato couldve killed him naruto had no more chakra and couldn't go demon mode nagato had enough chakra to reivve the whole village but naruto made him see the error of his ways
It's still a win for naruto thou
Dnt downplay gaara's fight with his dad cuz I Dnt like it
Dęvîa Puęrî
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No proof he got tht free untill kishi says it out of his mouth or in the manga they do segment of how nagato got the rinnigan he unlocked it untill proved other wise we go with what has been showed us
Tobi did say he gave nagato the rinnigan but he also said he was madara and we seen how tht turned out
Also nagato clearly unlocks it when his parents died there was no eye surgery or something do u honestly think his parents didn't notice he got eye surgery or something...
UzumakiNaruto20
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If thats the case then the Uchihas got their eyes free, the senjus got their chakras free, and basically every OP ninja got something free.
Being poor does not = weak. In fact the sand ninjas are said to be quite strong. They just don't have the numbers that everyone else has.
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konoha is the village the story revolves around and has alot of powerful shinobi, the sand is not weak but they don't have alot (numbers) of strong shinobi like konoha and the same applies to all the other villages, its all about the numbers of strong shinobi
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First of all,if suna was so weak,then why is it in the top 5 shinobi hidden village?,suna is a very small village,they are poor because their idiotic daimyo cut off their funds which i think is uber plot stupidity.
Chiyo fought prime hanzo many times,and managed to find an antidote for his cure,the sannin fough him alongside multiple shinobi and were pwned at that same timeline as chiyo.
Sasori killed so many shinobi with his puppets that he was called "sasori of the red sand". Deidara claimed he was the stronger of the two,he was beaten by his teacher who had intel on almost all his moveset and a top class medical nin who had antidotes to his poison. It was stated by chiyo that he let himself die.
the 3rd kazekage copied shukaku's sand manipulation powers,using magnet release and formed iron sand which he became known as the strongest kazekage. The fact that he was able to copy a bijuu tech is testament to his skill,as only minato has done similar with a rasengan. Sasori captured him through unknown means,but it wasnt a fight,that much is certain. He could have used sleeper agents like he did when they came to capture gaara.
The 4th kazekage pushed magnet release to the point where could manipulate a diamagnetic substance like gold dust to such an extent that he was able to singlehandedly keep suna in line with the other 4 top hidden villages by selling gold dust,whenever shukaku broke loose and used it's powers,he could use his gold dust to completely cover and then overwhelm a gigantic bijuu and it's body with gold dust. He was working with orochimaru,he wasnt fighting against him,oro ambushed him,his kage clothes were still on,there was no sign of a fight,did you see how fast he made a gold dust wave?
Gaara's statue as a kage is now respected among even the other kages,while onoki was talking to gaara's dad,he said all the other kages respect his power. We all know what gaara can do,so i am not going to waste time here.
Kankuro now has the sasori puppet(sasori's strongest puppet),and mother and father puppet(chiyo's strongest puppet) alongside his other puppets which he has greatly modified,he also beat sasori as well. He is a division commander and a jonin,which is more than i can say for the k11.
Temari is a jonin as well,she was able to cut down forests as easy as pie when she was still a gennin,she was fast enough to intercept sound waves from reaching her ears by tatuya, in part 2,her most basic wind techs have shown to be able to cut through a samurai's armour with the greatest of ease,she was able to cut the raikage to pieces with a swing of her fan,which was said t be impenetrable,she is the ambassador of suna to konoha for the chunin exams as well.
Baki hasnt been shown much since part 1,his fight with hayate proves he is very strong. He effortlessly tanked hayate's tech which according to him was a high level konoha tech and killed hayate with his blade of wind,which are invinsible and cut through hayate with ease.
sunagukere was formed by a ninja who brought all the desert dwelling shinobi together with his power and suna was formed. Sunagukere were known not for their size,but their skills and moveset. The fact that a village in a dessert is top 5 proves it. Scorch release and magnet release were used here. The fact that they fought iwagukere many times,proves they are strong. Imo,they are stronger than kiriwagukere right now.
Chiyo fought prime hanzo many times,and managed to find an antidote for his cure,the sannin fough him alongside multiple shinobi and were pwned at that same timeline as chiyo.
Sasori killed so many shinobi with his puppets that he was called "sasori of the red sand". Deidara claimed he was the stronger of the two,he was beaten by his teacher who had intel on almost all his moveset and a top class medical nin who had antidotes to his poison. It was stated by chiyo that he let himself die.
the 3rd kazekage copied shukaku's sand manipulation powers,using magnet release and formed iron sand which he became known as the strongest kazekage. The fact that he was able to copy a bijuu tech is testament to his skill,as only minato has done similar with a rasengan. Sasori captured him through unknown means,but it wasnt a fight,that much is certain. He could have used sleeper agents like he did when they came to capture gaara.
The 4th kazekage pushed magnet release to the point where could manipulate a diamagnetic substance like gold dust to such an extent that he was able to singlehandedly keep suna in line with the other 4 top hidden villages by selling gold dust,whenever shukaku broke loose and used it's powers,he could use his gold dust to completely cover and then overwhelm a gigantic bijuu and it's body with gold dust. He was working with orochimaru,he wasnt fighting against him,oro ambushed him,his kage clothes were still on,there was no sign of a fight,did you see how fast he made a gold dust wave?
Gaara's statue as a kage is now respected among even the other kages,while onoki was talking to gaara's dad,he said all the other kages respect his power. We all know what gaara can do,so i am not going to waste time here.
Kankuro now has the sasori puppet(sasori's strongest puppet),and mother and father puppet(chiyo's strongest puppet) alongside his other puppets which he has greatly modified,he also beat sasori as well. He is a division commander and a jonin,which is more than i can say for the k11.
Temari is a jonin as well,she was able to cut down forests as easy as pie when she was still a gennin,she was fast enough to intercept sound waves from reaching her ears by tatuya, in part 2,her most basic wind techs have shown to be able to cut through a samurai's armour with the greatest of ease,she was able to cut the raikage to pieces with a swing of her fan,which was said t be impenetrable,she is the ambassador of suna to konoha for the chunin exams as well.
Baki hasnt been shown much since part 1,his fight with hayate proves he is very strong. He effortlessly tanked hayate's tech which according to him was a high level konoha tech and killed hayate with his blade of wind,which are invinsible and cut through hayate with ease.
sunagukere was formed by a ninja who brought all the desert dwelling shinobi together with his power and suna was formed. Sunagukere were known not for their size,but their skills and moveset. The fact that a village in a dessert is top 5 proves it. Scorch release and magnet release were used here. The fact that they fought iwagukere many times,proves they are strong. Imo,they are stronger than kiriwagukere right now.
SashaUchiha
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You two didn't get the point... Pain is not even from Amegakure. He is an Uzumaki that clearly came from a different part of the world. Pain already had the Rinnegan/ability to unlock the Rinnegan. He owes his power to his clan, not his village.
The Senju of the Forest and the Uchihas were not from Konoha, they settled there and then formed the village. Maybe no OP clan went and settled in Suna because of the living conditions.
Also, being poor and not having enough training infrastructure is always an issue. And their training methods are not so great... (I know my previous post was ignored
) And they are supposed to be improving. Gaara, Kankuro, Temari are pretty strong.