Why is Sunagakure so weak?

[theoneturk]

It is by far the weakest village right after the hidden mist.

I think its too soon to compare the sand and the mist. don't forget all those mind****ed swordsmens the mist had

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

And your forgetting Suna has one of the most feared ninjas who've attended in the 3rd great ninja war(Sasori)
And Chiyo, whose practically like the women Hiruzen
Temari and Kankuro now seems to be powerful too

I just threw up. Like really, I'm vomiting. Didn't Kankuro beat Sasori before Kabuto put the Super Saiyan 3 mode on all his Edos? Sasori still had his self control and was not 100%

 

[NowNoon]

if the strongest ninja after the kazakage are Kankuro and Temari... then, well, it really goes without saying.

 

[Momo86]

No Konan is the weakest, she has almost no feats.
Pain can't beat Obito, seriously this is madness

1. Obito
2. Pain
3. Itachi
4. Kakuzu
5. Kisame
6. Sasori
7. Deidara
8. Hidan
9. Konan

Databook contradicts you.

Itachi 35.5
Orochimaru 35
Sasori 34.5
Deidara/Kisame/Kakuzu 32.5
Hidan 31.5

Pain - not yet revealed but since he won vs Jiraiya (35.5) he has to be at least 36
Tobi - not yet revealed but since he can clearly win against Kakashi (34.5) he must be 35 or even much higher
Konan - not yet revealed but since she managed to injure Tobi I would say she's somehow above Hidan

So - there's no telling exactly who would win between Pain and Tobi, Sasori is CERTAINLY stronger than Kisame and Kakuzu, and we don't know anything about Konan. I agree with you on Sunagakure's weakness but these are plain hard numbers.

This is even more blatant than Suna being the weakest village as it doesn't even need reasoning, numbers prove it.

Oh, and while we're at it - Deidara would have won against Gaara in just any field and on any situation, except some surprise plan by Gaara or other unaccountable factors (because 32.5 > 29.5) and that's just it.

 

[Narutofan4203]

When Suna was first introduced during the chunin exam they really looked powerful. No one thought Gaara could be defeated and he soloed the chunin exam without breaking a sweat. So why is Suna so weak now?

Keep in mind that the 4th Kazekage got owned by Oro without even giving a fight.
The 3rd Kazekage got fodderized by Sasori.
Then, during the konoha invasion in part 1, we've seen some suna ninjas getting fodderized by Konoha's
At the very beginning of Shippuden, we learned that Gaara became the 5th Kazekage.... then Deidara made him his bitch during their fight. I mean, Gaara was in a desert and still lost to one of the weakest akatsuki member.
Besides, Gaara is only 15, why would he be Kazekage at this age, he's indeed strong but he lacks battle experience.
Not to mention Shuaku is the weakest Bijuu, even Hashirama didn't like Suna, why would he give the weakest Bijuu to the weakest village?

To end this, Sunagakure doesn't really have any strong clan or whatsoever. So I definitely think it's one of the weakest village out of the 5 major ones

Orochimaru stabbing the Fourth was filler, we don't know how it actually happened
We don't know if they have clans either, and if they don't Iwagakure's clans are filler so yeah

 

[sargon106]

The main village is konoha in the series so lets make the rain village op? That's what you're basically saying. Does that make sense?

 

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[Kusanagi35]

Databook contradicts you.

Itachi 35.5
Orochimaru 35
Sasori 34.5
Deidara/Kisame/Kakuzu 32.5
Hidan 31.5

Pain - not yet revealed but since he won vs Jiraiya (35.5) he has to be at least 36
Tobi - not yet revealed but since he can clearly win against Kakashi (34.5) he must be 35 or even much higher
Konan - not yet revealed but since she managed to injure Tobi I would say she's somehow above Hidan

So - there's no telling exactly who would win between Pain and Tobi, Sasori is CERTAINLY stronger than Kisame and Kakuzu, and we don't know anything about Konan. I agree with you on Sunagakure's weakness but these are plain hard numbers.

This is even more blatant than Suna being the weakest village as it doesn't even need reasoning, numbers prove it.

Oh, and while we're at it - Deidara would have won against Gaara in just any field and on any situation, except some surprise plan by Gaara or other unaccountable factors (because 32.5 > 29.5) and that's just it.

Lmao, you're hilarious I mean seriously.
You can't rely on the data book to compare characters overall strength, let alone an overall points comparison from every fields.
I feel like you misunderstood the purpose of a databook.
The data book means nothing especially if you're making a top list.
"Numbers prove it" Rofl, and you're even trying to make it look as it proves anything when you're in total mistake.

We can see that you're biased just by the fact that you're saying Pain could beat Obito.
How could Pain beat Obito who has the rinnegan, MS , 6 Bijuu and the gedo mazo?

Sasori is far from being stronger than Kisame and Kakuzu, he got beat by an old woman and got trolled a second time during the war. He's on par with Deidara. Kisame and Kakuzu are on par. That is how it is.

 

[Kusanagi35]

The main village is konoha in the series so lets make the rain village op? That's what you're basically saying. Does that make sense?

You certainly don't make any sense

 

[Minato is a thug]

It was 20 years before the start of the series, that manga page says "More than 10 years ago", but it really was around 20 years ago.
Also note that that page is a translated version, and not the real published version, but I don't know what the official says, since I don't have it xd

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- Naruto Wiki

It really was 20 years ago, the anime says so as well.

Edit: He also does not look 25 years old, more like 15-16 years old, around the time he turned himself into a puppet.

He was 25. Chiyo said the Kazekage was kidnapped 10 years before that and at the time Sakura and Chiyo fought sasori he was 35.

 

[Momo86]

Lmao, you're hilarious I mean seriously.
You can't rely on the data book to compare characters overall strength, let alone an overall points comparison from every fields.
I feel like you misunderstood the purpose of a databook.
The data book means nothing especially if you're making a top list.
"Numbers prove it" Rofl, and you're even trying to make it look as it proves anything when you're in total mistake.

We can see that you're biased just by the fact that you're saying Pain could beat Obito.
How could Pain beat Obito who has the rinnegan, MS , 6 Bijuu and the gedo mazo?

Sasori is far from being stronger than Kisame and Kakuzu, he got beat by an old woman and got trolled a second time during the war. He's on par with Deidara. Kisame and Kakuzu are on par. That is how it is.

Sooo...

1) stop insulting and extremizing. If you think it makes you look cooler, you're wrong.

2) databook doesn't matter because you say so? Kewl.

3) making a point of the Pain > Obito thing? I already said I don't know who would win, because Kamui is nasty and Wood release also is, and Tobi had both powers since the beginning, and I can see someone beating Pain with those.

But let's make it clearer, of course if you take the enhanced Obito which aquired the Rinnengan from the Rain village and the Jinchuriiki bodies through Kabuto, then sure, Pain stands no chance against it. Not that it means much, since it's pretty obvious that just nobody tops that nor stands any chance against that in a solo duel - it took four powerful shinobi to make Obito break a sweat.

EDIT: now that we're speaking of it, how come that when I say that Obito trumps all because of the Rinnengan and the Jinchuriki I'm scolded because they're "not really his power" but when I try to evaluate Obito just for his original powers I'm scolded as well? Why don't we set out a rule and decide that what people can use in any fight can be safely considered to be "their" power?

So no, I'm not biased. If I were biased, anyway, I would contest that Suna is the weakest vill. since it's also my favorite one. And I also like Obito a lot more than Nagato, so once again if out of personal preference I'd just say Obito wins hands down. But I don't in both cases, in one because the manga says otherwise, in the other because we have no source. Objectivity. Me has it. I hope the Pain-Tobi case is closed.

4) Sasori allowed himself to be killed in the first fight and fought without his entire arsenal the second fight. In both fights he was against superior numbers, also. Orochimaru thought Sasori was a serious problem, which speaks enough of him being on a different level.

5) Again, I'm not saying I'm SURE that Konan trumps Hidan, I am merely saying we don't have anything to do a solid comparison. Considering the feats of both I'd put my money on Konan but I wouldn't gamble an arm on it.

8) I would like to understand how can I be "mad" and "hilarious" since I agreed with you on many statements. If your definition of a ridicoluos fool is someone who doesn't agree with you 100% than it is perhaps a little too broad.

 

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^This.
Kazekage get assassinated.

 

[cptenn94]

well they suffered a major loss in military force(that is why gaara was made a jin, was to try to raise the military force)

so simply they are the way they are for 2 reasons.

1 they lost a lot of their main military forces in the wars, so the wars weakened them

2 They are in the middle of a desert. They arent gonna have a huge population to support their military(unlike konoha)

all this said, it is possible they are not the weakest of the 3. but im sure they have a few clans that are strong.

 

[Kusanagi35]

Sooo...

1) stop insulting and extremizing. If you think it makes you look cooler, you're wrong.

2) databook doesn't matter because you say so? Kewl.

3) making a point of the Pain > Obito thing? I already said I don't know who would win, because Kamui is nasty and Wood release also is, and Tobi had both powers since the beginning, and I can see someone beating Pain with those.

But let's make it clearer, of course if you take the enhanced Obito which aquired the Rinnengan from the Rain village and the Jinchuriiki bodies through Kabuto, then sure, Pain stands no chance against it. Not that it means much, since it's pretty obvious that just nobody tops that nor stands any chance against that in a solo duel - it took four powerful shinobi to make Obito break a sweat.

EDIT: now that we're speaking of it, how come that when I say that Obito trumps all because of the Rinnengan and the Jinchuriki I'm scolded because they're "not really his power" but when I try to evaluate Obito just for his original powers I'm scolded as well? Why don't we set out a rule and decide that what people can use in any fight can be safely considered to be "their" power?

So no, I'm not biased. If I were biased, anyway, I would contest that Suna is the weakest vill. since it's also my favorite one. And I also like Obito a lot more than Nagato, so once again if out of personal preference I'd just say Obito wins hands down. But I don't in both cases, in one because the manga says otherwise, in the other because we have no source. Objectivity. Me has it. I hope the Pain-Tobi case is closed.

4) Sasori allowed himself to be killed in the first fight and fought without his entire arsenal the second fight. In both fights he was against superior numbers, also. Orochimaru thought Sasori was a serious problem, which speaks enough of him being on a different level.

5) Again, I'm not saying I'm SURE that Konan trumps Hidan, I am merely saying we don't have anything to do a solid comparison. Considering the feats of both I'd put my money on Konan but I wouldn't gamble an arm on it.

8) I would like to understand how can I be "mad" and "hilarious" since I agreed with you on many statements. If your definition of a ridicoluos fool is someone who doesn't agree with you 100% than it is perhaps a little too broad.

You're misusing the databook, you know I'm saying you're hilarious because I have never seen someone relying only on the databook to compare characters strength, to be honest that's one the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on the base.

Tsunade has as many points in the databook as Itachi, does that mean she's on par with him? No just no. This is why I thought it was hilarious.

People who says those powers don't belong to Obito are idiots and you shouldn't listen to them anyway. Obito acquired these powers and made them his. Those powers are now part of his arsenal and you can't take them away from him. That's how it is. This also means Pain does not even stand a chance at defeating Obito. He's on a whole different level than him.

"In both fights he was against superior numbers"
Itachi was also against superior numbers, so was Kakuzu, so was Kisame , so was Pain. The only difference was that those akatsuki members didn't lose against an old woman and a weakling. This right here pretty much shows Sasori strength.

Basing on feats Hidan would beat Konan.
She got defeated in 3 seconds by Jiraiya and would have gotten fodderized by Tobi if it wasn't for her prep time.

 

[Saikyokami]

When your Kage is 15 you know your weak as hell.

so your saying konoha is weak cus naruto gon be hokage before end of series >.<

 

[Saikyokami]

Lets see a list of strong people from sunagakure rouge or not
-Gaara
-Sasori
-Chiyo
-4th kazekage
-Temari
-Kankuro
-Pakura
anyone wanna disagree with this List?

 

[bboyrevert]

well they suffered a major loss in military force(that is why gaara was made a jin, was to try to raise the military force)

so simply they are the way they are for 2 reasons.

1 they lost a lot of their main military forces in the wars, so the wars weakened them

2 They are in the middle of a desert. They arent gonna have a huge population to support their military(unlike konoha)

all this said, it is possible they are not the weakest of the 3. but im sure they have a few clans that are strong.

^^^I agree

 

[Venom]

yea sunagakure in the Rp world is weak too xd

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Getting back to the topic.. Sunagakure is weak because Kishimoto made them so. That's the best answer any of us can make at this time, because they have not been developed as much as Konoha. The difference in strength level between Akatsuki members is also unnecessary. Any ninja can beat any other ninja, it all depends on circumstance.

Sunagakure, being composed of the descendants of desert tribes, has a small population, and out of that small population only a certain number will become shinobi. Already, Sunagakure is losing to the other villages in terms of manpower. Next, because they live in the desert, their skills are highly specialized. Comparing them to a village like Konohagakure, whose military is comprised of members from many different clans, and of course Sunagakure looks weak. On the other hand, let us not say that JUST because Sunagakure is weaker than the other four major countries, that they are weak. They are STILL the premiere ninja village for one of the only FIVE strongest countries. I do not see kusagakure, takigakure, or yugakure touching Sunagakure.

Long story short, Sunagakure is indeed militarily weaker than the other four major hidden villages, but that does not make them a weak village in general. Every village houses super ninja and subpar ninja, and it is for that reason that Kabuto's Edo Tensei summons were comprised of ninja from everywhere.

 

[GiantShuriken]

You thought they were strong because their genin were really strong compared to the konoha genin. But it turns out, the suna genin are also really strong compared to the suna jonin.