[Discussion] Why is Smoker so weak?

[Joseph Gomes]

He fought against 3 shichibukai so far, all of them beat him without much effort. Hancock whooped Smoker's ass in the Marineford war, Law literally humiliated Smoker in Punk Hazard, Doflamingo neg diff Smoker as well

Wasn't Smoker shown as Luffy's rival earlier in the series? Is the rivalry/competition already over? :/

 

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

Smoker is NOT luffys rival. Never has been. Hes a good marine who may end up helping luffy one day.

 

[Fireplay]

He aint weak. The only loss he had that can be considered reasonable was against Law and maybe Vergo since he was trying to get Law's heart back.

A very underrated character.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

He's not weak...IMO
Luffy 100%
Zoro 90%
Sanji/Smoker 80-85%

 

[Bogard]

He performed better against Vergo than Sanji, so i'd say he is slightly stronger than Sanji in my book if not more. Unless you consider Sanji weak, he isn't weak at all. He is strong, only that there are people stronger than him

Oh as for his rivarly with Luffy, i never took it seriously because Luffy couldn't hit him in part1, so it was hardly fair fights. I'd rate his real marine rivarly with Luffy from now on. Now that Luffy can hit him, we'd see if he deserves it more than Coby or not

 

[Zorø]

Smoker is just a victim I like his sense of justice but lets be honest he is a fodder U_U.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Next he's gonna get soloed by Buggy. lolol

I always took his "rivalry" with Luffy as comedy. Luffy would always run away and that was the comedy of it. Smoker could never catch Luffy.

 

[Hexuze]

Nope, rivalry is still fierce. He pinned down Luffy with ease pre-TS. Hancock was leagues above him at that time and she's still stronger than him and even people like Zoro/Sanji. Smoker is severely underrated, he's in between the strength of current Zoro & Luffy. He inflicted more damage to Vergo than Sanji did with his DJ's & Law (aside from that cut).

Doflamingo neg-diff'd Smoker since he just fought Vergo a while ago. It's not like Luffy is doing that much better against him, Doflaming is toying around with him as well.

 

[Bogard]

Nope, rivalry is still fierce. He pinned down Luffy with ease pre-TS. Hancock was leagues above him at that time and she's still stronger than him and even people like Zoro/Sanji. Smoker is severely underrated, he's in between the strength of current Zoro & Luffy. He inflicted more damage to Vergo than Sanji did with his DJ's & Law (aside from that cut).

Doflamingo neg-diff'd Smoker since he just fought Vergo a while ago. It's not like Luffy is doing that much better against him, Doflaming is toying around with him as well.

I agree he is underrated but the bold is baseless. Besides Hancock being as strong as you rate her to be is baseless as well. She neither has the feats nor the portrayal to rate her accurately

 

[Love Cook]

Smoker is just a victim I like his sense of justice but lets be honest he is a fodder U_U.

Don't be stupid, I don't know why you even say that. Even you must know that he will be back soon and do some impressive stuff, Oda set him up for something bigger, you have to see that.

I hope when that time comes I still remember this comment so I can make you eat your words. Maybe I should add it to my sig, you've got a reputation of saying stupid things.

I agree he is underrated but the bold is baseless. Besides Hancock being as strong as you rate her to be is baseless as well. She neither has the feats nor the portrayal to rate her accurately

Isn't it just as baseless as you putting him above Sanji ?

He performed better against Vergo than Sanji, so i'd say he is slightly stronger than Sanji in my book if not more.

You can hardly measure anything from Sanji Vs Vergo, they were both in a hurry and neither got serious like Smoker Vs. Vergo.

 

[Bogard]

Isn't it just as baseless as you putting him above Sanji ?

Not really baseless considering i explained my reasons on the quote you posted

You can hardly measure anything from Sanji Vs Vergo, they were both in a hurry and neither got serious like Smoker Vs. Vergo.

The thing is Vergo got the upperhand on Sanji while using Sanji's fighting style and thus restricted in using his own fighting style(bamboo and haki) and that was in a short period battle where Sanji implied later that he would have lost. Smoker on the other side fought Bamboo-haki Vergo much longer with both dealing damages until the final clash won by Vergo. It's clear from that point for me that Smoker performed better than Sanji and enough to put him above Sanji in my ranking

 

[Hexuze]

I agree he is underrated but the bold is baseless. Besides Hancock being as strong as you rate her to be is baseless as well. She neither has the feats nor the portrayal to rate her accurately

Not really. Smoker has as always been portrayed as being near equal to Luffy's strength and like I said before Smoker was inflicting a lot more damage to Vergo than Sanji/Law were. As for the whole Hancock stuff, she's strong during pre-TS as she was casually breaking Pacifista's with ease.

Don't be stupid, I don't know why you even say that. Even you must know that he will be back soon and do some impressive stuff, Oda set him up for something bigger, you have to see that.

I hope when that time comes I still remember this comment so I can make you eat your words. Maybe I should add it to my sig, you've got a reputation of saying stupid things.

I'll remind you and I'll even make a thread when that happens. xD There's a couple of Smoker haters here.

 

[TheHokage]

Assuming this thread is made by a Zoro fanboy who is butt hurt at the idea of Smoker > Zoro.

Smoker isn't weak when was he whooped by Hancock exactly if I remember correctly he was hesitant to fight her since she was working for the world government not to mention at the time Hancock would have foddered Luffy.

How did Law humiliate Smoker do you not realize how Law's power works? If you get hit by him once with a clean hit it's over it was impressive that Smoker was able to actually force Law to retreat and also pin him down had Sanji, Zoro and even possibly Luffy battled Law in the exact same scenario they would have lost.

You're really holding the loss against Doflamingo against Smoker??? He was injured and without his Jitte at the moment both Luffy and Law are losing to Doflamingo in a low - mid diff fight.

The rivalry Luffy and Smoker have is still running strong no matter how many of you Smoker haters like to delude yourself, Luffy has shown interest in fighting a full powered Smoker and unless he is at least comparable in strength Luffy wouldn't be interested, Smoker is the marine that's been shown to fight against the Supernova not the fodder Coby. Oda has spent over 10 years building the Smoker and Luffy rivalry he's not going to just discard that because some idiots thinks someone losing makes them weak their relationship has been portrayed similar to how Garp and Roger were back in the day.

Smoker is heavily underestimated in the One Piece fandom it's going to make it much more satisfying when he returns fighting Luffy.

 

[Bogard]

Not really. Smoker has as always been portrayed as being near equal to Luffy's strength and like I said before Smoker was inflicting a lot more damage to Vergo than Sanji/Law were. As for the whole Hancock stuff, she's strong during pre-TS as she was casually breaking Pacifista's with ease.

He was never portrayed near equal to Luffy at all. He was just portrayed as an annoying marine Luffy couldn't even hit. But now that Luffy can hit him, we'll see if he really is his marine rival that could fight him on equal terms or if Coby will become that

Besides, past is past. Zoro was also portrayed near equal to Luffy in alabasta. With current portrayal it's impossible that he remained near equal to Luffy considering Law mid diffed him, so it would mean Law could mid diff Luffy as well, something that would make no sense when you realise how close in portrayal they currently are.

I do agree however he is above Sanji for reasons i already presented, but not Zoro because of the difference in their portrayal in PH, his right hand woman completely shocked about how Zoro can be so strong, Law sending a message that the supernovas from the worse generation will break their gears while defeating Vergo when on the other side Smoker is on the floor, Zoro currently having no difficulty with someone having the same rank with a Vergo, Smoker couldn't defeat and so on. All that leads me to give more the benefit of doubt in the current superiority Zoro possess over Smoker

To me i personally think Oda created the PH for Smoker to understand his weakness, train and become stronger

 

[TheHokage]

He was never portrayed near equal to Luffy at all. He was just portrayed as an annoying marine Luffy couldn't even hit. But now that Luffy can hit him, we'll see if he really is his marine rival that could fight him on equal terms or if Coby will become that

How exactly was he annoying? For doing his job? Garp did the same to Roger do you class Garp as annoying? It's clear you favor Coby...just saying.

Besides, past is past. Zoro was also portrayed near equal to Luffy in alabasta. With current portrayal it's impossible that he remained near equal to Luffy considering Law mid diffed him, so it would mean Law could mid diff Luffy as well, something that would make no sense when you realise how close in portrayal they currently are.

Depending on the situation I think Law could very easily mid diff Luffy an outcome of a fight isn't purely on the strength of one's character there are many variables you have to take into consideration. Someone like Law is a nightmare for Luffy to fight he's smart and also has a power that essentially if hit once could KO you and for someone like Luffy who usually rushes in I don't see why he couldn't be beaten as easily as Smoker.

I do agree however he is above Sanji for reasons i already presented, but not Zoro because of the difference in their portrayal in PH, his right hand woman completely shocked about how Zoro can be so strong, Law sending a message that the supernovas from the worse generation will break their gears while defeating Vergo when on the other side Smoker is on the floor, Zoro currently having no difficulty with someone having the same rank with a Vergo, Smoker couldn't defeat and so on. All that leads me to give more the benefit of doubt in the current superiority Zoro possess over Smoker

Zoro and Smoker have different fighting methods. Smoker doesn't try to beat his opponents by scaring them like Zoro does so it's understandable Tashigi had never seen someone do that. I also don't understand how your Worst Generation statement comes into play either...why does it matter if Smoker was on the floor? If it wasn't for Smoker Law wouldn't have won against Vergo.

Rank doesn't equal strength not all the Yonkou are the same in power - not all the Admirals are same in power not all the Warlords are the same in power so just because Zoro is currently gaining the advantage of Pica doesn't mean he could beat Vergo. By feats and portrayal Vergo is far ahead of Pica he's the only Elite Executive that has been highlighted by Doflamingo really.

By feats however I would have to say Smoker has the edge over Zoro like Yo Momma San said I believe Smoker sits in between Luffy and Zoro in regards to overall fighting capabilities.

To me i personally think Oda created the PH for Smoker to understand his weakness, train and become stronger

While I agree to this on some extent I also believe the arc was created for Smoker's view on justice to be questioned for example beforehand he would much rather die than except the help of a pirate yet not only did he get help from one he also helped a pirate. Almost every arc Smoker is in it has him having some really interesting character development.

 

[Bogard]

How exactly was he annoying? For doing his job? Garp did the same to Roger do you class Garp as annoying? It's clear you favor Coby...just saying.

He was annoying to Luffy. Never did i say it was a wrong thing for Smoker to do his job. Just that Luffy was finding him totally annoying, an annoying guy he couldn't even hit, hence he was always trying to avoid him everytime they met for that special reason. I favor no one at all. I don't know what would happen considering i'm not Oda, so i'm not just eliminating the possibility Coby could become the one

Depending on the situation I think Law could very easily mid diff Luffy an outcome of a fight isn't purely on the strength of one's character there are many variables you have to take into consideration. Someone like Law is a nightmare for Luffy to fight he's smart and also has a power that essentially if hit once could KO you and for someone like Luffy who usually rushes in I don't see why he couldn't be beaten as easily as Smoker.

I'm talking about in a serious fight like the one Law and Smoker had. Luffy is a careless joker capable to lose against people even inferior to him but i'm talking about a serious Luffy here. A serious Luffy is never getting mid diffed by Law at all. They are too close in portrayal for that to happen. Hence Smoker getting mid diffed by someone near equal to Luffy in portrayal shows the gap that currently exists between them

Zoro and Smoker have different fighting methods. Smoker doesn't try to beat his opponents by scaring them like Zoro does so it's understandable Tashigi had never seen someone do that. I also don't understand how your Worst Generation statement comes into play either...why does it matter if Smoker was on the floor? If it wasn't for Smoker Law wouldn't have won against Vergo.

It wasn't just a fighting method comparison. She was clearly shocked about his strength. She could never imagine he was so strong to the point she wondered what amount of training he did to become so strong. The portrayal was really clear. As for the worse generation-Smoker on the floor thing it was to signal the potential Law talked about while defeating Vergo. He was basically saying the supernovas from the worse generation have better potential than the rest, monologuing while defeating a guy Smoker couldn't beat. The direct comparison was also clear there

Rank doesn't equal strength not all the Yonkou are the same in power - not all the Admirals are same in power not all the Warlords are the same in power so just because Zoro is currently gaining the advantage of Pica doesn't mean he could beat Vergo. By feats and portrayal Vergo is far ahead of Pica he's the only Elite Executive that has been highlighted by Doflamingo really.

Current portrayal however suggest they are close in strength no matter what you say/want to believe and so far Zoro is toying with him. Zoro's portrayal since the timeskip started is closely comparable to Luffy's, from fighting comparable opponents to receiving similar hypes and even in the current arc, replicating similar feats(Grizzly Magnum-1080Pound Phoenix comparison on golem Pica) or hype(Luffy telling Viola that Zoro can defeat anyone). With all this, it's impossible for me to put Smoker over Zoro

 

[TheHokage]

I'm talking about in a serious fight like the one Law and Smoker had. Luffy is a careless joker capable to lose against people even inferior to him but i'm talking about a serious Luffy here. A serious Luffy is never getting mid diffed by Law at all. They are too close in portrayal for that to happen. Hence Smoker getting mid diffed by someone near equal to Luffy in portrayal shows the gap that currently exists between them

It doesn't really matter if Luffy is serious or not...if Law hits Luffy once it's over especially if Law does what he did to Smoker and use a distraction to give him a second to launch an attack. I just think it's a bit baseless to say because Law was able to beat Smoker with a certain level of difficulty then Luffy will be able to do the same considering both Luffy and Law have two completely different fighting tactics Law uses more strategical tactics in order for him to get the KO hits with his Ope Ope No Mi while Luffy is more of a brawler similar to Smoker...and again Luffy showed interest in wanting to fight Smoker at full power so this shows or indicates at least Smoker is at a level he could actually give Luffy a decent fight.

It wasn't just a fighting method comparison. She was clearly shocked about his strength. She could never imagine he was so strong to the point she wondered what amount of training he did to become so strong.

Because he was able to beat her through fear...it wasn't anything to do with strength itself so to say and of course she's going to wonder where he was training I mean the Strawhats had been MIA for two years.

The portrayal was really clear. As for the worse generation-Smoker on the floor thing it was to signal the potential Law talked about while defeating Vergo. He was basically saying the supernovas from the worse generation have better potential than the rest, monologuing while defeating a guy Smoker couldn't beat. The direct comparison was also clear there

So you're basically trying to say Smoker isn't cut out to be challenging the New Generation yeah? Just a reminder Vergo was shown to be physically superior to Law speed, physical strength and durability from physical attacks. Again it comes down to the fighting styles of course Law is going to have an easier time against someone like Vergo when his Ope Ope No Mi allows him to essentially one shot people while Smoker who's a physical brawler punched it out with Vergo and not only did he show at times greater speed and strength that Vergo he also showed immense durability.

Current portrayal however suggest they are close in strength no matter what you say/want to believe and so far Zoro is toying with him. Zoro's portrayal since the timeskip started is closely comparable to Luffy's, from fighting comparable opponents to receiving similar hypes and even in the current arc, replicating similar feats(Grizzly Magnum-1080Pound Phoenix comparison on golem Pica) or hype(Luffy telling Viola that Zoro can defeat anyone). With all this, it's impossible for me to put Smoker over Zoro

What does Pica honestly have that puts him on Vergo's level? Vergo was able to dominate Sanji, Law and Smoker three extremely powerful characters what has Pica honestly done other than make threats and statements he hasn't been able to back up. How can you say no matter what I say they are close in strength you have nothing to prove that at all.

As for Zoro's portrayal yes it has been similar to Luffy's however both of them have only battled fodders really since starting the New World. Luffy is a little bit different as he has beat people like Chinjao etc however Zoro hasn't beaten anyone really that makes his unbeaten record in the New World that impressive. I mean heck have Sanji fight the Octopus guy in fishman island and Monet (of course take out the fact Sanji can't hit woman) then Sanji would be on winning streak as well.

Also attacks like Grizzly Magnum and 1080 Phoenix cannon while impressive shouldn't be used as feats in a fight against Smoker the damage capabilities of one's attack does not automatically make someone stronger take Whitebeard for example he could wreck multiple islands yet he was equal or slightly weaker than Roger who to our knowledge only had the ability to use Haki and his attacks would be far less destructive. Not to mention the quote about Luffy saying Zoro can beat anyone shouldn't be taken as a feat it's like taking Doflamingo's quotes were he believes Vergo could block himself from Law's attack as a feat or how Pica says he could beat Fujitora and Sabo I mean I doubt Luffy thinks Zoro could beat Doflamingo right...so it's not anyone really.

 

[Hexuze]

He's not weak...IMO
Luffy 100%
Zoro 90%
Sanji/Smoker 80-85%

That's funny. Weren't you calling him a fodder?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Luffy>Zoro>Smoker>Sanji imo.

 

[Akuma]

I usually scroll down until I find Rikerslade's post. He basically types what I want to say...in shorter and better words.