Why is second generation gokage...

[Rikudou Tobi]

Why is second generation gokage the strongest techniques usually have something to do with explosions and clones?

2nd Mizukage's Steam Imp.

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It's a childish looking mini clone that explodes periodically.

2nd Hokage's Tandem explosive tags and shadow clones

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2nd Tsuchikage splitting himself in half (similar concept to cloning)

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Don't think I'll add JInton as one of those explosive parts but I think you guys get my point.
Why is something like an explosive tag or using clones stick around much in the later generations? Or more like why was the second generation so basic enough to supplement that as their ultimate power?

 

[90sKids98]

Reminds me of how the world was before we learned about explosives. Probably during their time thats when Explosive Jutsus and Tags were really developed and each of the nations tried to spam it as much as possible

 

[Kakooli]

Sakura's shanaroo is basically an explosion too.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Reminds me of how the world was before we learned about explosives. Probably during their time thats when Explosive Jutsus and Tags were really developed and each of the nations tried to spam it as much as possible

Primitive-like but what changed it in the 3rd generation?

Sakura's shanaroo is basically an explosion too.

Why does this confuse me?

 

[90sKids98]

Sakura's shanaroo is basically an explosion too.

Irrelevant, go back to your room

Primitive-like but what changed it in the 3rd generation?

Why does this confuse me?

Hmm, most likely because medical ninjutsu became a huge thing thanks to Tsunade's Laws. I guess they changed up their strategies and tried to avoid using explosives to prevent too many casualties

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hmm, most likely because medical ninjutsu became a huge thing thanks to Tsunade's Laws. I guess they changed up their strategies and tried to avoid using explosives to prevent too many casualties

I feel medical ninjutsu uses was used ever since the Senjus existed because of their inherited Yang power of the Sage. Because we've seen both cases of Tobirama and especially Hashirama use medical ninjutsu (hashirama being the greatest at the time).

But I understand the casualty part, I think you're right for sure. Kinda like the whole poison gas warfare being banned in our life time because of its monstrous casualties the same parallel to explosive tags in the narutoverse.
But why the fodder ninjas use it though?

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Sakura's shanaroo is basically an explosion too.

An explosion that tends to miss every time.
:elmo:

 

[Furtuna]

It was a fad when they were teens??

 

[90sKids98]

I feel medical ninjutsu uses was used ever since the Senjus existed because of their inherited Yang power of the Sage. Because we've seen both cases of Tobirama and especially Hashirama use medical ninjutsu (hashirama being the greatest at the time).

But I understand the casualty part, I think you're right for sure. Kinda like the whole poison gas warfare being banned in our life time because of its monstrous casualties the same parallel to explosive tags in the narutoverse.
But why the fodder ninjas use it though?

True, but probably b/c explosive tags are all they have :elmo:

 

[Wparker6804]

Why is second generation gokage the strongest techniques usually have something to do with explosions and clones?

2nd Mizukage's Steam Imp.

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It's a childish looking mini clone that explodes periodically.

2nd Hokage's Tandem explosive tags and shadow clones

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2nd Tsuchikage splitting himself in half (similar concept to cloning)

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Don't think I'll add JInton as one of those explosive parts but I think you guys get my point.
Why is something like an explosive tag or using clones stick around much in the later generations? Or more like why was the second generation so basic enough to supplement that as their ultimate power?

Muu for me was way cooler than Mr 80s Hairdo. I mean, invisibility, denigration, Fission & flight vs exploding clones & an illusion clam. Kindah lame...... Powerful, but lame.

3 favorite Kages: Muu, Gaara and & Tobirama. Nasty combo.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

True, but probably b/c explosive tags are all they have :elmo:

They need to step up their kakashi game :kakashi:

Muu for me was way cooler than Mr 80s Hairdo. I mean, invisibility, denigration, Fission & flight vs exploding clones & an illusion clam. Kindah lame...... Powerful, but lame.

3 favorite Kages: Muu, Gaara and & Tobirama. Nasty combo.

Well he definitely had the most potential if his chakra quantity went up a little higher he could've been the strongest kage.

 

[Illuminater]

Because the techniques are extremely powerful? Shadow Clones was never done before. It's a powerful technique even years later after he died. Hell it's labeled as a jounin technique. And most jonins can only create a limited amount of clones. And the explosive technique is OP as hell.

The Mizukage's technique is also OP. And it's a special technique that most ninjas can't beat.

And the tsuchikages technique is also OP.

All of those techniques are very powerful and unique in their times. And even years later they were still effective enough to shred through legions of ninjas.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I agree with op and 90skids, it seems like something that was new and powerful at the time but became outdated, there seems to be a lot more versatile and "assassination" style jutsus that came after. Clones are still around though... and still extremely useful

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Because the techniques are extremely powerful? Shadow Clones was never done before. It's a powerful technique even years later after he died. Hell it's labeled as a jounin technique. And most jonins can only create a limited amount of clones. And the explosive technique is OP as hell.

The Mizukage's technique is also OP. And it's a special technique that most ninjas can't beat.

And the tsuchikages technique is also OP.

All of those techniques are very powerful and unique in their times. And even years later they were still effective enough to shred through legions of ninjas.

They kind of stopped using jutsus like that later on and if it was that OP as much as you hyped it up to be, jutsus like those wouldn't die out in Hiruzen's generation. The only ones that really used jutsus like that were Hanzo and Konan (konan being unfair prep advantage).

I agree with op and 90skids, it seems like something that was new and powerful at the time but became outdated, there seems to be a lot more versatile and "assassination" style jutsus that came after. Clones are still around though... and still extremely useful

There is! Especially in Minato's generation.

 

[Dizzldot]

The reason is because all good jutsu were at the beginning when the bloodlines were more pure and every clan had their technique and powerful ones, Now average shinobi are way weaker then they used to be

 

[Jiren]

I was thinking Kishimoto was just running out of ideas. So many character somany abilities.

 

[Illuminater]

They kind of stopped using jutsus like that later on and if it was that OP as much as you hyped it up to be, jutsus like those wouldn't die out in Hiruzen's generation. The only ones that really used jutsus like that were Hanzo and Konan (konan being unfair prep advantage).

There is! Especially in Minato's generation.

These techniques are special to their users though.
These are hokages we're talking about. You can't expect other ninjas to have the same ability's as them. Shadow Clone jutsu is a chakra hungry technique, the mizukages technique is unique to him, and the tsuchikage's ability literally splits your chakra in half. No regular ninja has the time for a technique like that. That's why they aren't used in modern times.
\Mu's special ability: Mū was able to split himself into two duplicates to help escape a lethal blow, but at the cost of reducing his power by half.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Muu for me was way cooler than Mr 80s Hairdo. I mean, invisibility, denigration, Fission & flight vs exploding clones & an illusion clam. Kindah lame...... Powerful, but lame.

3 favorite Kages: Muu, Gaara and & Tobirama. Nasty combo.

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^ But that Water Gun looks so cool though. X3

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

These are hokages we're talking about. You can't expect other ninjas to have the same ability's as them. Shadow Clone jutsu is a chakra hungry technique, the mizukages technique is unique to him, and the tsuchikage's ability literally splits your chakra in half. No regular ninja has the time for a technique like that. That's why they aren't used in modern times.

So what's with Hiruzen, Minato, Kakashi, and Tsunade then? They never really used explosives in their jutsus and only used shadow clone technique once or twice. Still Hokages too.

I was thinking Kishimoto was just running out of ideas. So many character somany abilities.

That's a big one that's overlooked.

 

[Illuminater]

So what's with Hiruzen, Minato, Kakashi, and Tsunade then? They never really used explosives in their jutsus and only used shadow clone technique once or twice. Still Hokages too.

That's a big one that's overlooked.

Tbh I think this is a case of a control group. You're limiting your examples to a handful of kages that all have special techniques and fighting styles that differ from everyone else. None of the kages in the OP use explosive tags in the traditional way, nor do they use shadow clones in the traditional way. They all have special ways of using them.
Mizu with the steam clone, tsuchikage with the chakra split, and tobirama multiplies his explosive tags. For example, Tsunade only uses her fists, summoning jutsu, and healing techniques. Minato was absent for most of the entire manga so he never really got a chance to use explosive tags or shadow clones (he did use shadow clones once). Hiruzen also used explosive tags and shadow clones against orochimaru. And Kakashi relies on his sharingan and thousand techniques.

TL;DR: Basically all the kages utilize their own special abilities and thus they have no room to use explosive tags and kage bunshins.