KingHashirama
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Yet we are talking about a manga, a fiction. Not the law.
highway construction work is dangerous job... But if someone decides to run over them .. are you gonna say it was their fault for being there?
Why is revenge acceptable for Shikamaru and Team Asuma
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HiddenWarrior
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Let's see here ..
Sasuke? Committed treason amongst other crimes after leaving his village. I'm pretty sure he was condemned & scrutinized throughout the ninja world for that reason; not because he wanted to take revenge.
Naruto? His strong convictions & resolve prevented him from exacting his revenge on Nagato.
Team Asuma? I'm pretty sure it was an act of revenge in the name of justice and not fueled by severe hatred like Naruto & Sasuke's were (If I'm not mistaken). Didn't seem like them acting on revenge threatened to distort the moral fiber of their characters whatsoever.
Sasuke? Committed treason amongst other crimes after leaving his village. I'm pretty sure he was condemned & scrutinized throughout the ninja world for that reason; not because he wanted to take revenge.
Naruto? His strong convictions & resolve prevented him from exacting his revenge on Nagato.
Team Asuma? I'm pretty sure it was an act of revenge in the name of justice and not fueled by severe hatred like Naruto & Sasuke's were (If I'm not mistaken). Didn't seem like them acting on revenge threatened to distort the moral fiber of their characters whatsoever.
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KingHashirama
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Okay. Since we only talking Manga, a fiction. Them Samurais are innocent as ****. Danzo is Innocent as **** too. Anyone that is part of the nations and not declare as a criminal are innocent. You happy now?
KingHashirama
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How did you even come up Danzo = Samurais?
Sasuke was there to take revenge against Danzo , because he plotted out his clan, or w.e
Samurai were there because its their f*cking land...
Sasuke, invades their land... and causes chaos... Samurai defend their land.
In "law" Sasuke would be guilty of trespassing.
King Of Pop
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no hes not, he doesnt desire revenge in mind manga fact. hes identified the system as faulty and broken and wants to fix it, hes not on a path of destruction, he has a purpose in mind and that purpose is to make the system better. trapping the bijjus is one of the ways he seeks to change it, a revolution entails measures needing to be taken and thats one of them at least from sasukes view. all you have said is sasuke from the past, current sasuke doesnt seek revenge.
thats not revenge, thats reformation. he wants to change something that has led to so much darkness and put another in its place, revenge is not involved. killing the kages and sealing the bijjus are measures hes willing to take, it has nothing to do with revenge
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That's why I'm using the spoken meaning which is not related to the law. But most here trying to imply the law innocent which is almost equivalent to being right(opposite to wrong)Yet we are talking about a manga, a fiction. Not the law.
highway construction work is dangerous job... But if someone decides to run over them .. are you gonna say it was their fault for being there?
KingHashirama
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"acting Hokage" =/= Hokage
And also, you are throwing around the word "innocent", and trying to make all situations into the same.
We are talking about Samurai who got their land invaded and were doing self-defense. Not a "pseudo Hokage" who had been torturing people and etc and plotting against clans, and now forced himself to be "hokage".
^^^^ big difference.
Sasuke's motivation = Involved DAnzo, Not Samurai..
If they're not guilty, they're innocent; a person can not be both words since they are antonyms to start with. Secondly if their guilty what crime are they guilty of?
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Baby, bystander, etc. were not even in the scenario, yet you conveniently added them for what purpose?
My definition? My definition of innocent Is when someone has no quarrel or bone with a particular situation and also when someone is defenseless and has no beef with someone else or doesn't want to be involved with a certain scenario. Pretty much civilians of a village that is about to be attacked by an unknown invader. The civilians who are trying to protect their kids and children and innocent but the leaf ranking officers who are trying to fend off the attackers are not innocent because they are ninjas for a reason- to fend off the village from unnecessary evil that may plummet. Just because the village officers don't have beef with an enemy does not mean he is innocent once he initiates an attack against the enemy.
In Sasuke's case, it's quite simple. Sasuke was trying to hide. Zetsu betrayed him and gave out his whereabouts. The Samurai figured out where Sasuke was. Sasuke decided to go out into the open because he knew that there was no use hiding anymore. The Samurai warned Sasuke not to proceed. Sasuke gave them a warning to step back and not attack. The Samurai attacked anyway, which led to Sasuke's killing spree of killing the Samurai. Sasuke is at fault, but the samurai are not innocent in this predicament.
The point: The Samurai were involved the moment they decided to initiate an attack on Sasuke when they could have been smarter and just notified the kage ninja, but instead they rushed to their death like a bunch of fools. Hell, Sasuke even gave them a warning so that would have been a good opportunity for them to run and notify the kage who could actually cease the threat, but instead they decided to act like they could handle it themselves when in fact they were a bunch of fodders who were cocky and didn't even know the enemies strength.
Why do people keep saying that the samurai are innocent when:
A) They were the ones to initiate the first attack
B) They got involved the moment they attacked Sasuke when he wasn't even looking to fight them
C) They are their to serve and protect against outside danger
And to answer your question, no, the guards are not guilty. The guards decided to protect the president instead of trying to kill person x. That is different if the guards were just trying to kill person x like what the samurai were doing to Sasuke.
Them Samurais shouldn't allow them kages to have meeting there. They was living all peacefully and quite til the kages came up in there with their meeting. Raikage smashing up the whole place and shit. Them poor samurais should blame their boss for allowing that to happen.
How you support a meeting where the kages gathered around the table talking about who they gonna kill. Everybody at the table beside Gaara wanted to kill Sasuke and the akatsuki just like that. Didn't even try to find out more information on why they doing this and that. Only Gaara wanted peace from the start.
KingHashirama
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cop: Hitler you are a racist prick, so step down
criminal: I'm warning you back off
cops: Ok then you wanna commit more crimes then, we'll dettain you
Criminal: -Goes on a killing spree-
Fuhrer of Uchiha: Well the cops shouldn't have been doing their job to trying to detain a criminal. So they are responsible for their own deaths.
^^^^^^ Thats what you are sounding like to me and some others.
Why? Now you are passing the blame for sasuke's actions on to another? The Kages weren't the ones killing the Samurai...
Yea i support a meeting where the kages gathered around the table to talk about a mass murderrer who had killed innocent Uchiha, and other people, and was the leader of a criminal organization, who was trying to cause a World War..... I justify it.
"only gaara wanted peace from the start" << But wasn't he the Head General? ;]. And personally took himself to fight. I smell a Gaara kiss up here.
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TrollingSage
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You're forgetting two things. The purpose of the meeting. It was to discuss Sasuke's recent act, which was joining the Akatsuki and attacking the jinchuriki of another village. Of course they're going to attack on sight, just like guards at a UN summit will attack a confirmed member of a terroist organization on sight.
Secondly they were in the land of Iron, the Samurais home. Sasuke was a known criminal that had just attacked another village and kidnapped their jinchuriki. You expect them to stand down and not attack because Sasuke said so? LOL. Hell no.
lol. This is funny. If a human at a zoo jumped down into a pit with a tiger in it on purpose and the tiger kill him, OVER HALF OF YOU FOLKS would say that human is innocent and the tiger is guilty so kill the tiger. That's the vibe Im getting for some of you.
Some how this seems to be hard for him to get.How did you even come up Danzo = Samurais?
Sasuke was there to take revenge against Danzo , because he plotted out his clan, or w.e
Samurai were there because its their f*cking land...
Sasuke, invades their land... and causes chaos... Samurai defend their land.
In "law" Sasuke would be guilty of trespassing.
If Sasuke had waited until Danzo was return fair enough no ones but he invaded the Land of Iron were the summit of different Leaders were, No one knew who was Sasuke's Target (cept for Danzo) since he had previously infilrated the Cloud.
KingHashirama
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Whats more annoying is , why are people here even trying to justify Sasuke killing people who self-defended? .
Can i claim Madara kill thousands, was the fault of those thousands for standing in his way?
What you have no implied is that Jews were responsible for their own deaths, because they didn't listen to Hitler in the start. Or they were responsible for their own deaths because they tried to protect themselves from the Nazi. And fight back....
Just stop. You might be trying to justify a fictional villain (its funny that you are trying to do so in the first place, since he was a villain. ) , but you are also insulting many innocent people who have died due to terrorists. So use your words wisely please.
And if the criminal killed Bus drivers, they would be called Buss drivers.. not by standers.. So a bus driver isn't innocent either.. rofl?
. Can i claim Madara kill thousands, was the fault of those thousands for standing in his way?
Do you really wanna play that way right now? Alrighty.
What you have no implied is that Jews were responsible for their own deaths, because they didn't listen to Hitler in the start. Or they were responsible for their own deaths because they tried to protect themselves from the Nazi. And fight back....
Just stop. You might be trying to justify a fictional villain (its funny that you are trying to do so in the first place, since he was a villain. ) , but you are also insulting many innocent people who have died due to terrorists. So use your words wisely please.
And i care for courts why?
And if the criminal killed Bus drivers, they would be called Buss drivers.. not by standers.
. So a bus driver isn't innocent either.. rofl?
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