Why is people saying Nagato > Naruto

[arv993]

*Sigh* and can't you see the bijuu isn't even that high off the ground meaning Kurama didn't jump that high. Also Naruto has no way to get to Nagato when he's that high so it really doesn't matter if he's just levitating. Anyway I'm done because I can see this isn't going to go anywhere and besides my girls coming over so I have to go anyway.

WHy not are mountains tiny things look at my link carefully please and note that mountains are small does that mean its not high no its quite opposite

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here u go again sigh

I doubt catching nagato is any problem if that is the basis of ur argument its pretty sad

 

[ChocolateBear]

if naruto made BM clones to help him fight, nagato would get his ass whipped

 

[chazbak]

And when Kakashi says it Tobi even says Kakashi Hatake you're smart, which heavily implies that he was right.

i see, u've got a point here(pretty good argument there)...but its still isnt implied or said that naruto can be absorded in that form via sucking jutsu, so it's still 50-50, bc we dnt know if sucking jutsu can or cannot suck kyuubi because this is called the complete form....but nice, u do have some nice arguments and counters, its pretty nice debating w/ you instead of some other people in denial no matter what..

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

i just have one thing to tell for ur argument:SPEED...what makes u think that soul sucking jutsu would even come close to touching naruto while hanzou could casually escape it w/ his shunshin jutsu when we know naruto shunshin is 100000000x times faster than hanzos...and for ur second argument, that was anime filler only, the anime added all that stuff, never happened in the manga...even if nagato can pull off those tech, in this kind of fight petty jutsus like that will only be be a waste of time cuz they'll never work even w/ naruto sleeping on the battlefield..

I stated it here to give you an example of what Nagato is capable of with his elements if he were to use it as an advantage. I could also ask you the same thing, what makes you think Naruto is faster than those dragons? If you watch the fight between him and Hanzo's men, those dragons covered a lot of ground instantly. For all we know that they could be the same speed.

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[AntMan]

Both sides have stated good points but I'll add something which no one has mentioned so far.

Nagato's last resort would be summoning the Gedo Mazo. The soul sucking dragons that emits out from its mouth is fast and immaterial, therefore can go through Naruto's cloak, upon touching it would be instant death for Naruto. Gedo Mazo itself is shown to be quite strong, therefore could combat Kurama more or less.

Another addition in Nagato's arsenal would be its mastery of the 5 elements. If you dont recall Nagato using them properly then I suggest you to watch the fight between Deva Path against 6-tails form, where massive earth and wood were used for restrictions, while also making oceans of water appear out of nowhere, these all could be used for Nagato's advantage. Given the fact that it was only 6-tailed, but it was also the fact that it was Paths of Pain, not Nagato, which is more stronger.

Don't you think that nagato wouldn't have enough strength for that?

Also Danzo teleported away and avoided the dragon or w\e you want to call it, with Naruto's new speed don't you think he would be able to dodge it? I mean come on, the basically threw 5 TBBs in different directions with his speed alone.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Don't you think that nagato wouldn't have enough strength for that?

Also Danzo teleported away and avoided the dragon or w\e you want to call it, with Naruto's new speed don't you think he would be able to dodge it? I mean come on, the basically threw 5 TBBs in different directions with his speed alone.

There is a difference between dodging it and teleporting away. Since when does Naruto have a teleporting technique? And like I said those dragons are immaterial, they are souls, not chakra, TBB is pure chakra hence why he threw them.

 

[arv993]

There is a difference between dodging it and teleporting away. Since when does Naruto have a teleporting technique? And like I said those dragons are immaterial, they are souls, not chakra, TBB is pure chakra hence why he threw them.

Nagato is vulnerable during that

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a lot of time for naruto or clones to finish him

And sure the tech is fast but i naruto can dodge it once he would pretty much kill nagato who is stationary and vulnerable

there is a reason he got crippled this was a huger factor in it.

 

[sunnex]

Current naruto will pawn nagato.

 

[AntMan]

There is a difference between dodging it and teleporting away. Since when does Naruto have a teleporting technique? And like I said those dragons are immaterial, they are souls, not chakra, TBB is pure chakra hence why he threw them.

I'm not much to argue/discuss naruto but..

What about when he dodged the raikage's super-speed punch when it was 2 inches away from his face?

> nearly teleportation speed

 

[chazbak]

I stated it here to give you an example of what Nagato is capable of with his elements if he were to use it as an advantage. I could also ask you the same thing, what makes you think Naruto is faster than those dragons? If you watch the fight between him and Hanzo's men, those dragons covered a lot of ground instantly. For all we know that they could be the same speed.

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ok so let me get this straight, u're trying to argue wether those ninja are as fast as naruto or not...dude trust me even the people defending nagato(the ones supporting u) would tell u that those ninja are not even close to naruto's speed...and to answer ur question: naruto can dodge that thing bc hanzou casually dodged using his shinshin while naruto has a much much much much faster shunshin than hanzou...and in case u didnt know naruto along w/ minato are the fastest ninjas ever....so yeah naruto can dodge that thing w/ his eyes closed, and trust me even among the nagato fans, no one is going to back u up on this one...just accept manga facts...

 

[arv993]

if he can dodge some of the fastest attacks in the world like raikage's punch and another speed feat such as saving kakashi in ana instant from 5 biju damas. he sure can dodge that dragon

not to mention it makes nagato stationary and he is hurt when he uses it making him vulnerable to attack from one of naruto's multiple clones.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

if he can dodge some of the fastest attacks in the world like raikage's punch and another speed feat such as saving kakashi in ana instant from 5 biju damas. he sure can dodge that dragon

not to mention it makes nagato stationary and he is hurt when he uses it making him vulnerable to attack from one of naruto's multiple clones.

I'm merely stating we dont know for sure, your guess is good as mine. Yes it makes Nagato vulnerable and stationary but thats why I said its a last resort. Also you have to bear in mind the limit on Naruto's BM, if the battle lingers on for more than 5 mins then Naruto is in trouble. It all depends how the fight would start off :shrug:

 

[arv993]

I'm merely stating we dont know for sure, your guess is good as mine. Yes it makes Nagato vulnerable and stationary but thats why I said its a last resort. Also you have to bear in mind the limit on Naruto's BM, if the battle lingers on for more than 5 mins then Naruto is in trouble. It all depends how the fight would start off :shrug:

yes there is a limit to BM but not Km mode. Yes he is not perfect with melding his chakra with kyubi yet but even after BM mode's 5 minutes he can still have his KM and SM clones there is nothing stopping him from that he can still use his chakra aka meaning he still has speed and a lot of power. I just don't see how nagato can pull off a win when naruto has an advantage in almost every category. Unless naruto is naive like b4 i don't see him losing

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

yes there is a limit to BM but not Km mode. Yes he is not perfect with melding his chakra with kyubi yet but even after BM mode's 5 minutes he can still have his KM and SM clones there is nothing stopping him from that he can still use his chakra aka meaning he still has speed and a lot of power. I just don't see how nagato can pull of a win when naruto has an advantage in almost every category.

The only thing Naruto has an advantage is his speed, otherwise all of Naruto's attacks can be countered as stated by 4th hokage of the leaf and Blaze release earlier. Anyway im off to sleep for now, if the thread is still open tomorrow i'll carry on debating.

 

[Raito]

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Dude, at the beginning of the fight, Tendo wasn't able to use his power. With full power at the beginning he would have bet Naruto of course. And yet he has defeated Naruto, he has pinned him into the ground, he only transformed himself into the kyuubi, because Pain killed Hinata.

 

[arv993]

The only thing Naruto has an advantage is his speed, otherwise all of Naruto's attacks can be countered as stated by 4th hokage of the leaf and Blaze release earlier. Anyway im off to sleep for now, if the thread is still open tomorrow i'll carry on debating.

Nope naruto has advantage in speed is ony part of it if u actually see his main advantage is his numbers with clones.

There are multiple clones all pretty fast going at one opponent

He also has raw power to beat shinra tensei and bansho tenin u kno the links for those

CT won't work aka biju dama or multiple frs(chakra ain't a problem), soul sucking path won't work due to speed and clones, all of his attacks are countered What can nagato do

But naruto's is not he can use frog song or frog katas to kill nagato but mind u there are other clones for distraction(clones on that are high level in power and speed) so naruto can pull off a win but with diffuculty of course.

And big shinra tensei is not too fast and not a one shot either since naruto can survive it seeing he can repel 5 biju dama which each destroyed a mountain. SO naruto would not die from it

WHAT DOES Nagato have over naruto really?

INtelligence i guess

 

[xSCx Fresh]

Blame the fans, not the character.

 

[JasonSamuel]

first of all...it took naruto ,itachi and bee to seal him(MOSTLY ITACHI) ....secondly...i feel this mode is going to be like KM,remember how invincible KM made him look when he first got it but see how useless he has been in the fight against tobi(apart from recent chapters) nagato still has the advantage because he isnt sick any more...but everything is down to the artist of the comic..he probably can make shikamaru kill tobi

 

[arv993]

first of all...it took naruto ,itachi and bee to seal him(MOSTLY ITACHI) ....secondly...i feel this mode is going to be like KM,remember how invincible KM made him look when he first got it but see how useless he has been in the fight against tobi(apart from recent chapters) nagato still has the advantage because he isnt sick any more...but everything is down to the artist of the comic..he probably can make shikamaru kill tobi

ONE major point naruto did not have his clones there his chakra was divided into 12 parts and they were not there in a fight to help him which is a major disadvantage. ANd he did not have summons.

Let me make it simple that was a very powered down naruto

 

[Wind..]

People say that Nagato could just absorb all of Naruto's Jutsus, now TBB, but the thing is that Naruto could take out Nagato just with speed and Taijutsu and once hes down use a TBB on him or just kill him with Taijutsu and speed. I think Naruto>Nagato mid difficulty