[Discussion] Why is over half of Africa so poor?

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Why are most countries in this continent so poor? This is a fact that everyone acknowledges, but no one actually has a valid answer. Is it because they just don't care? I am not trying to be racist, just opening up a discussion that isn't touched on much anymore.

Tons of people have valid answers. Just because you have a answer does not mean you have a solution.

Here are 2 things i can name off the top of my head as to why they are poor.

1. There is lots of anarchy or dictatorships in africa. Both systems of government, make people the most poor(in general)

2. They do not have tons of natural resources. Many nation in africa, live in low moisture climates, that are not very suitable for growing a good variety of crops. There is also the massive sahara desert as well. If you look at all other continents, you will see that all others except perhaps australia, have more natural resources. In australia, they simply dont live in the desert/plains that much.(compared to africa)


There are plenty of people who have been among the poor, who know much better than I do, what the problems are.

But the above mentioned problems, are certainly a big factor in it.


Just giveing tons and tons of money to africa, will NEVER be a proper solution. You will wind up just wasteing money. You must identify the actual problem first, before you can fix it. If you dont fix the root of the problem it will just come back to bite you.


But it really gets me mad sometimes when politicians(usually liberal) argue and complain about the "poverty" in america.

The usual poverty in america(except from those that choose poverty), consists of a household have a somewhat nutritious food(not rotten food), a tv, perhaps some phones, and a vehicle. It also consists of someone earning at least 7.25 an hour. Also most people in "poverty" have more than 2 changes in clothes.

So american poverty, is discomfort and stressful. But it is not painful. There are no kids who go more than a week without food. 99.99% of americans have access to clean water(a made up, but likely true number)


Meanwhile ACTUAL poverty consists of people makeing a dollar an hour(if they are lucky), MAYBE haveing a sturdy house, MAYBE haveing more than 2 changes of clothes. Maybe haveing water that does not make them sick. Maybe being lucky to eat once a week.
 

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Oh boy this is a huge topic. I'll give a quick answer. Africa was isolated from Europe for a long time. During that time Africa (with the exception of East Africa and North Africa) developed little technology. The Europeans set up colonies in Africa to get diamonds, ivory, spices, gold, etc. Finally the Europeans decided to leave, but before they did they set up "countries". No thought was given to the demographics of these countries. Different tribes that had historically never gotten along were no within the same border. This lead to civil wars and genocides with the most famous being Rwanda. Also the governments were/are corrupt so most of the aid money stays with the leadership. Thus poverty.



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I do not think you can blame the whole thing on Europeans.They also robbed Asian countries too but they are bit better.That is mostly because education.Europeans let Africa stay darkness. It is been half a century since Europeans left, so if they cant fix the problem it is solely because of their own problem.My country is a former British colony and there are so many problems all I see is it is not because of British it is because of the attitude of my own people that we are not able to overcome it.


I'm assuming you are bad at math or the basic understanding that Africa is a continent and not a country.Europeans didn't leave Africa half a century ago because each country in Africa didn't get their independence at the same time. For example, Angola received it's independence in 1975,
Namibia in 1990, and Algeria in 1962.Furthermore, no one is or has blame European in this forum far as I know, but the effects of colonization is contributing to African countries poverty, along with corrupted governments, religion(Christianity/Muslim), and lack of resources in some areas.
 
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If the coloners didnt took there resources... theyll be one of the most richest country in the world... but that doesnt matter.. For me, it seems like theyre whole goverment is corrupt like every last one of those dudes doesnt g*ve a sh*t to anyone.. they might be in their office jackin all day eryday
 
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The reason deals with their history, borders, leaders, and lack of national identity.


Firstly, during the Berlin Conference of 1884-1885 divided Africa, for the most part, as we know it today. European powers such as Britain, France, Germany, etc. lobbied back and forth over territories to take. The British wanted to control a monopoly of the Suex canal and the Nile so they took much of the East. France took much of the west. The geographic distribution was only focused on European power lobbying, and not intelligent land divisions.

There are thousands of languages and cultures in Africa. When the future countries were divided, they weren't divided considering the various cultures. Many Europeans didn't even care. They only concerned themselves with "who had the most land, or defend this monopoly." Thus, many African counties have people who can't even communicate. Tribal rivals may be stuck in the same country leading to ethnic clashes.

The nations also implemented alternate rules. The British would go, find the first "king" in the territory, and use them like a puppet. They'd be in charge provided they listen to the British. That may have been one of 20 Kings in the territory. The French on the other hand, took the territory as French turf. They initially saw it as extended France; however, realizing the African populace out numbered the French populace... they began to create a social elite where European educated elite would count as the citizens.

After WWII, decolonization occurred. The British labeled their puppet kings as in charge, and simply left. France left with a educated elite ruling over an uneducated mass. Nations like Belgium said, "Here is the capital city, whoever rules it is the legit ruler of the Congo." Leading multiple rebel factions to just kill each other. So now you have this.

1. Territories that were hardly governed being told they are a nation.

2. Territories that are honestly cluster ****s of different cultures and languages. AKA: No one can work together #LanguageBarrier

3. Absolutely no governmental institution other than maybe a king or social elite.

At this point, the world basically recognized whomever ruled the capital city as the legitimate government. Let's look at the Democratic Republic of Congo.

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Firstly, note the capital is Kinshasa towards the left side of the country where it starts to pan out. All you have to do to be the leader is control that city. SOOOOO.

1. You just have one city to control.

2. See the city of Isiro in the top right? Well... we don't know who they are... we didn't even care they existed before now. I can't even speak their language so **** 'em. Hell they may not even know they're a new country!

3. A good deal of African finance comes from Natural resources. So all we have to do is hold the capital, and control the resources. Who gives a shit about the people? That's all we have to do!


That is the mentality that rises in many African nations at times of independence. Other nations like Sierra Leone, start off successfully democratic, but quickly turn into authoritarian regimes and ultimately a 20 year civil war. Since all one must do to gain financial wealth and power is control the capital and resources, many countries end up not even caring about their nation outside of the capital and resource spots. This gives rise to Neopatromonialsim.

This concept is pretty simple: You form a government that is a one party system (meaning one political party), and you make laws restricting everything to the party.

1. Want to run a business: Better be a party member or it is illegal.
2. Elections are coming up: You only have one candidate.

That kind of deal. And when you have this power... you assign the government positions to your buddies and family so you capitalize on everything. You may receive foreign aid, and profits from National trade and just slip it into your pocket. You don't even care about people on the outside. Some African rulers even PURPOSEFULLY destroyed road systems so possible rebel groups couldn't move around as easily.

It is also a rule that the borders of African nations can't be changed (except for the rare and new development of the practically failed state South Sudan). So they can't even redefine borders to better accommodate language barriers.


Not every nation is doing bad. Botswana, South Africa, and possibly now Nigeria are rising. Sierra Leone has the world's highest rising industrial growth rate as well as second in GDP growth rate. Only behind South Sudan because it went from 0 to a number (new nation and all). Though Leone still has massive problems of its own lol!


In the end, Africa boils down to three groups: Specialists in Violence, Common Citizens, and Social Elite. When they are balanced... nations are at peace.

Social Elite are your gov. officals. They pay the specialist in violence in order to keep them from rebelling. They can mess up balance in two ways. A) begin taking too much money.... leaving the specialists in violence seeing they won't profit and fighting. B) Continued corruption and surpression leaves the general Citizens rebelling: what do they have to lose at this point?

Specialists in violence: Rebel groups, military forces.... as the name implies: fighters. They mess the balance when they see they will no longer profit from a situation. When the government begins going bankrupt.... you aren't sticking around. Time to pillage and burn.

Finally, general citizens are the residents of countries. Pending the specialists in violence and their state of living (laws from Elites) they are passive, angry, or out right rebellious.



1. Berlin Conference ****s up the distribution of people.

2. Sudden independence leaves countries (some of which didn't have any plans to be free.... and some places in the countries not knowing they are even ruled

3. The rise of neopatramonial rulers who took the profits and basically led their people into poverty (minus the elites).



The only other things to note would be lackings in State Capacity (The ability of the government to regulate events: Like say stopping a disease... or enforcing law), public provisions (like say parks, jobs, clean water), and one other aspect I can't recall at the moment.


After all that... how do you have a national Identity. Especially when you can't communicate with everyone, and industrialization is so low you may not have the technology to spread around the information.


Africa was pretty screwed over in its foundation, and at the time of their independence (which many didn't have plans for), they were left with no clue what to do. Some found a plan at the cost of others.
 

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I'm assuming you are bad at math or the basic understanding that Africa is a continent and not a country.Europeans didn't leave Africa half a century ago because each country in Africa didn't get their independence at the same time. For example, Angola received it's independence in 1975,
Namibia in 1990, and Algeria in 1962.Furthermore, no one is or has blame European in this forum far as I know, but the effects of colonization is contributing to African countries poverty, along with corrupted governments, religion(Christianity/Muslim), and lack of resources in some areas.
yeah..I am not good at maths and yeah most African didnt got freedom around 1950-60s..
If you seen the posts most are said it is because of Europeans or other countries robbing..
By saying that attitudes of the ppl are reasons for their poverty I was nt referring to a country I was referring it is the internal factor that effect..
 

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too much colonization in the parts that weren;t already depleted
 

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Coz most if it was desert and jungle, the better parts were exploited by conquerors, also so many small tribes fighting each other, then when western civilization reached them, they tried to adopt it but of course they failed, they ended up in dictatorships. No birth control, no education, no proper basic services...etc.
 

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Well being a citizen of Nigeria which is the most populous black nation on the continent and also has arguably one of the best economical sector in Africa and is still developing things aren't as horrible as foreigners [Outside Africa] may think. The main reason why boils down to three main factors one is the educational factor, the second is the health factor and the last but certainly not the least is the corruption. I have always believed that education is power and i was fortunate enough to be brought up in a family though no where as rich or wealthy as the politicians families or some other people whose parent where in high job positions we were comfortable, in the sense that my parents could afford to take us to private schools which provide more off a higher quality education than most of the government schools due to overpopulation, little pay to the government teaches which doesn't keep them motivated and as a result affects the quality of the education received by the students, i personally schooled in a British-Nigerian school which taught us both in the British and Nigerian curriculum in my high school and this exposed me to much more things and added great knowledge to me, but Nigeria and Africa is a country where most people are poor so most of the parents can not afford to send them to private schools and have to either settle for the government schools were the quality of education in the schools isn't top notch or they have to go into trading or farming or whatever means or way they could get to put food in their mouth. The second is there is a serious lack of development in the health sector which has resulted in the deaths of so many individuals[RIP] whose death could have been prevented, machines such as xrays, CT scans or MRI aren't easily accessible and even in the few government hospital that have them the procedure in getting to actually undergo the test is in most cases quite hectic, unlike europe and america where things are carried out in a more orderly conduct. Not too long ago "twins" were seen as curse and where killed or thrown into the forest where they would eventually die and people didn't have knowledge of genetics and basic relationship education so they often blamed the cause of their child sickness which was a sickle as a punishment from the "Gods" or different types of "deities", even the doctor are outdated and don't bother to read up on new medical practices and often use patients as "lab rats" on a trial and error basis and no one tries to sue them because the amount of time and energy and money spent in doing that may not pay off even if the person is compensated unlike in developed countries where hospitals/doctors are made to pay seriously for their mistakes. The final one being corruption of the leaders and their looting of the country money and spending it lavishly on trivial things instead of using it to develop the country, most African countries don't still have clean water or electricity to survive and these are basic amenities required for a good standard of leaving. There,s this saying that goes that whatever one can dream he can do but this is not the mindset of someone earning a dollar or two a day whose mindset is to survive and take care of him and his family rather than develop new methods to improve the quality of lifestyle of the country.
 

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Well being a citizen of Nigeria which is the most populous black nation on the continent and also has arguably one of the best economical sector in Africa and is still developing things aren't as horrible as foreigners [Outside Africa] may think. The main reason why boils down to three main factors one is the educational factor, the second is the health factor and the last but certainly not the least is the corruption. I have always believed that education is power and i was fortunate enough to be brought up in a family though no where as rich or wealthy as the politicians families or some other people whose parent where in high job positions we were comfortable, in the sense that my parents could afford to take us to private schools which provide more off a higher quality education than most of the government schools due to overpopulation, little pay to the government teaches which doesn't keep them motivated and as a result affects the quality of the education received by the students, i personally schooled in a British-Nigerian school which taught us both in the British and Nigerian curriculum in my high school and this exposed me to much more things and added great knowledge to me, but Nigeria and Africa is a country where most people are poor so most of the parents can not afford to send them to private schools and have to either settle for the government schools were the quality of education in the schools isn't top notch or they have to go into trading or farming or whatever means or way they could get to put food in their mouth. The second is there is a serious lack of development in the health sector which has resulted in the deaths of so many individuals[RIP] whose death could have been prevented, machines such as xrays, CT scans or MRI aren't easily accessible and even in the few government hospital that have them the procedure in getting to actually undergo the test is in most cases quite hectic, unlike europe and america where things are carried out in a more orderly conduct. Not too long ago "twins" were seen as curse and where killed or thrown into the forest where they would eventually die and people didn't have knowledge of genetics and basic relationship education so they often blamed the cause of their child sickness which was a sickle as a punishment from the "Gods" or different types of "deities", even the doctor are outdated and don't bother to read up on new medical practices and often use patients as "lab rats" on a trial and error basis and no one tries to sue them because the amount of time and energy and money spent in doing that may not pay off even if the person is compensated unlike in developed countries where hospitals/doctors are made to pay seriously for their mistakes. The final one being corruption of the leaders and their looting of the country money and spending it lavishly on trivial things instead of using it to develop the country, most African countries don't still have clean water or electricity to survive and these are basic amenities required for a good standard of leaving. There,s this saying that goes that whatever one can dream he can do but this is not the mindset of someone earning a dollar or two a day whose mindset is to survive and take care of him and his family rather than develop new methods to improve the quality of lifestyle of the country.

What was it you just passed South Africa in? I can't recall what it was. Something to do with GDP? As you swapped from the 1990's protocols to the 2000 protocols and nearly doubled your GDP or something.
 

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I love to read all this bullshit people post that has no fundation or arguments whatsover. In fact 99% the shit people are posting here is mostly a bunch of crap posted by someone who thinks he knows anything about african history. This is why I hate NB "philosophy" forums, people give opinions on the crap they don't know about.
 
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