Why is Minato The Fatest and Not Obito?

[Omnipotent]

Doesn't matter, current Obito >> Minato.

 

[hawaiianmike]

Obito's is better because he need no handseals, or a target seal to teleport to. Unlike Minato's where he need to have a kunai or the seal placed somewhere before hand.

 

[Sensational]

The only fight Obito has been in after he was fodderized by Minato is the one with Konan.In which he had to result to Izanagi to get out alive.
If he was that smart,fast and sharp as you believe he would just teleport in another place with the speed of light (as he did at that page you put) and come back after the explosions.But instead he wasted an eye for Izanagi.True genius indeed.
Of course he is confident when he knows how exactly to counter attack.The one time he got truly cornered,he didn't seem to be able to do much though.Again a demonstration of pure genius.
Kakashi was shocked and didn't even try to dodge or attack Obito,don't get confused,if Kakashi was actually trying, Obito wouldn't have been able to land a single blow on him.And Kurama only gave chakra to Kakashi a second before he went into kamui's dimension.He was fighting zetsus and 7 swordsmen for a whole day he wasn't exactly in his best shape.The moment Kakashi decided to actually make a plan and attack Obito he did pretty well,with Naruto's and Kurama's assistance.And yes Kakashi could easily trade a punch with a raikiri but he didn't want to kill him.
Obito wasn't alone in that fight I think a guy name Madara with his perfect Susano'o jump in too.
Obito never demonstrated teleportation from a place to another during a fight.He can do it but never used it.Fact.He only used it in situation when he was relaxed.His kamui teleportation can't be compared to Naruto's, A's, third raikage's and Minato's speed.Simply because he never used it in a fight like those mentioned above did.
So no, his teleportation speed can't be on par with Minato's or be included on a top list because he can't use it in all kind of situations.

Except he needed Konan alive to tell him were nagato was so he could take his eyes....He had to use izanagi cause konan was basically gonna kill herself with that jutsu.
Also what do you mean if kakashi was trying? Clearly he was trying and until he figured out the jutsu he,naruto,bee, and gai couldn't do jack squat against Tobi. If anyone wasn't trying it was Tobi
Please stop spouting nonsense.

 

[Perlmutter]

Obito takes time to teleport, but he can phase into the other dimension instanty.
Think about it, he has to slowly suck his body into his eye to teleport, but Minato can teleport instanty

 

[Scooby Doo]

It was stated that it takes longer for Obito to warp himself...

 

[sukyyb]

Because Minato is in his super Saiyan form.

 

[Aertes]

Except he needed Konan alive to tell him were nagato was so he could take his eyes....He had to use izanagi cause konan was basically gonna kill herself with that jutsu.
Also what do you mean if kakashi was trying? Clearly he was trying and until he figured out the jutsu he,naruto,bee, and gai couldn't do jack squat against Tobi. If anyone wasn't trying it was Tobi
Please stop spouting nonsense.

I am talking about the part after Obito took off his mask and attacked Kakashi.In which Kakashi didn't even try to defend himself.
And all my comments are related on how Obito doesn't have what it takes to match Minato's speed,which is the issue of this thread the part with Kakashi was only brought as an example to show how Obito couldn't react when he got cornered(referring to intelligence and reflexes that are essential to be able to use an S/T technique to increase your speed effectively)
I am not referring to Obito's overall skills,only those that are required to use sufficiently a S/T technique or any other when it comes to speed.
So your off topic response is the only nonsense I see.

 

[AGoodBoy]

That goes against what you just said though, tobi's intangibility is a result of him teleporting his body back and forth. Also minato has to through a kunai or something with his tag first. Also all the times we've seen tobi teleport himself he was talking to someone while he was teleporting and purposly going slow.

What i'm saying is, For his intangibility it's pretty instant. but he's not even moving anyway. For him to get to a point A to B quickly, it's pretty slow. He has to warp into his dimension then warp back. It's different than going intangible.

 

[Sensational]

What i'm saying is, For his intangibility it's pretty instant. but he's not even moving anyway. For him to get to a point A to B quickly, it's pretty slow. He has to warp into his dimension then warp back. It's different than going intangible.

Also you don't know for sure that Tobi has to warp to his dimension to teleport, look at kakashi he has warped many explosions without them going to the other dimension also when tobi teleported he was never shown to have gone to his dimension. While im not going to deny that Minatos S/T jutsu is fast it does require that tags already be placed where he wants to go, while tobis does not.

I am talking about the part after Obito took off his mask and attacked Kakashi.In which Kakashi didn't even try to defend himself.
And all my comments are related on how Obito doesn't have what it takes to match Minato's speed,which is the issue of this thread the part with Kakashi was only brought as an example to show how Obito couldn't react when he got cornered(referring to intelligence and reflexes that are essential to be able to use an S/T technique to increase your speed effectively)
I am not referring to Obito's overall skills,only those that are required to use sufficiently a S/T technique or any other when it comes to speed.
So your off topic response is the only nonsense I see.

My post isn't off topic as im commenting on the points you made...
Also are you talking about this, were kakashi stopped trying because he was guilt talked by obito about how he couldn't even save his friends?

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Also for Tobi getting cornered are you talking about this, where he couldn't do anything because he was caught between attacks in different dimensions and no matter what he did would get hit?

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Im not gonna sit here and let you say that Tobi somehow does not have the best reflex's in this manga when his intangiblity jutsu is centered around how well he can react to an attack.
As for intelligence i would say he's pretty intelligent as he did think of a plan to beat minato however he was not aware of the FGT and that minto could form instant tags. He was also smart enough to plan an attack against the leaf and almost destroy the entire village. I dont see how he isn't intelligent when literally everything he has done he has had a plan behind it.
When it comes to speed tobi is fast and has as stated before godlike reflex's

 

[AGoodBoy]

Also you don't know for sure that Tobi has to warp to his dimension to teleport, look at kakashi he has warped many explosions without them going to the other dimension also when tobi teleported he was never shown to have gone to his dimension. While im not going to deny that Minatos S/T jutsu is fast it does require that tags already be placed where he wants to go, while tobis does not.

Obito has to do that swirly nonsense everytime he teleports... He's never teleported without doing that swirly thing. And that thing takes time and is pretty obvious, it makes him alot slower

Im not gonna sit here and let you say that Tobi somehow does not have the best reflex's in this manga when his intangiblity jutsu is centered around how well he can react to an attack.
As for intelligence i would say he's pretty intelligent as he did think of a plan to beat minato however he was not aware of the FGT and that minto could form instant tags. He was also smart enough to plan an attack against the leaf and almost destroy the entire village. I dont see how he isn't intelligent when literally everything he has done he has had a plan behind it.
When it comes to speed tobi is fast and has as stated before godlike reflex's

Tobi has a sharingan. He doesn't even need good reflexes. The sharingan predicts moves so all he needs to do is activate his kamui, he doesn't need to do anything else, that's barely reflex. Minato through a kunai, Teleported, formed a rasengan and slammed it into obito's back before obito to could react. That's what you call fast reflex, not activating some eye technique that's op because of hashi cells.

Minato did not have sharingan but was able to react to A's fastest punch? A normal person's eye probably can't even see the movement. Even sasuke was seeing after-images.

What do you mean he wasn't aware of ftg...? He saw minato use it. Minato was the guy's sensei. He just got outsmarted, he isn't the great.

Anyone who's been coached by madara and has a special jutsu to walk through barriers can plan a successful attack on konoha. Orochimaru almost made konoha bow down and did not need the kyuubi to do it. obito did absolutely nothing but release the kyuubi and send it into konoha. Kyuubi did all the work. All obito did was get his ass handed to him when he tried playing with the grown ups.

Talking about obito's reflexes when it's centered around activating his eye is pointless. If it were something like dodging a punch by atleast moving his head then that would be a whole different issue. But the mere fact that he has a sharingan, and as we know it, the sharingan basically slows down time -- You see all sorts of minute details -- It makes no sense to say he has good reflexes based on activating a jutsu that need no seals.

From all i can see, obito isn't that fast. Whenever he fights someone they keep up with his taijutsu effortlessly, it's the whole intangible thing that gets them, seeing as he just keeps coming forward knowing they won't be able to touch him but he can choose when to touch them.

Warping through the dimension is his best way of travelling long distances, but in an actual fight, it's pretty pointless. It's spotted easily that he's warping away and the person can prepare for an attack seeing as he has to first materialize again, giving them ample time to react.

 

[TheExecutioner]

Minato is called The yellow flash for a reason.

 

[Sensational]

Obito has to do that swirly nonsense everytime he teleports... He's never teleported without doing that swirly thing. And that thing takes time and is pretty obvious, it makes him alot slower

Since there is no way of getting speed with the manga ill just use the anime but Tobi must have teleported pretty fast in order to save sasuke. skip to 3:50
[video=youtube;x8Wn9Hm5UNs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Wn9Hm5UNs#t=230s[/video]

 

[AGoodBoy]

Since there is no way of getting speed with the manga ill just use the anime but Tobi must have teleported pretty fast in order to save sasuke. skip to 3:50
[video=youtube;x8Wn9Hm5UNs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Wn9Hm5UNs#t=230s[/video]

Yes sure he warped sasuke back to that dimension rather quickly, but he most likely didn't fully bring himself to sasuke. Probably popped a hand through the floor and dragged sasuke quickly. But it's the coming back also that you must look at. Just look 2 seconds later when he's fully coming back to this dimension. It takes him atleast 1 second and you see that weird swirl. It makes it that much more predictable. Against, a byakugan or sharingan, he'd be spotted rather quickly.

 

[Sensational]

Tobi has a sharingan. He doesn't even need good reflexes. The sharingan predicts moves so all he needs to do is activate his kamui, he doesn't need to do anything else, that's barely reflex. Minato through a kunai, Teleported, formed a rasengan and slammed it into obito's back before obito to could react. That's what you call fast reflex, not activating some eye technique that's op because of hashi cells.

Minato did not have sharingan but was able to react to A's fastest punch? A normal person's eye probably can't even see the movement. Even sasuke was seeing after-images.

What do you mean he wasn't aware of ftg...? He saw minato use it. Minato was the guy's sensei. He just got outsmarted, he isn't the great.

Anyone who's been coached by madara and has a special jutsu to walk through barriers can plan a successful attack on konoha. Orochimaru almost made konoha bow down and did not need the kyuubi to do it. obito did absolutely nothing but release the kyuubi and send it into konoha. Kyuubi did all the work. All obito did was get his ass handed to him when he tried playing with the grown ups.

Talking about obito's reflexes when it's centered around activating his eye is pointless. If it were something like dodging a punch by atleast moving his head then that would be a whole different issue. But the mere fact that he has a sharingan, and as we know it, the sharingan basically slows down time -- You see all sorts of minute details -- It makes no sense to say he has good reflexes based on activating a jutsu that need no seals.

From all i can see, obito isn't that fast. Whenever he fights someone they keep up with his taijutsu effortlessly, it's the whole intangible thing that gets them, seeing as he just keeps coming forward knowing they won't be able to touch him but he can choose when to touch them.

Warping through the dimension is his best way of travelling long distances, but in an actual fight, it's pretty pointless. It's spotted easily that he's warping away and the person can prepare for an attack seeing as he has to first materialize again, giving them ample time to react.

Its been stated and shown in the manga many times that it doesn't matter if you can see the attack if you cant react to it.
Naruto did not have the sharingan and was able to react to A's punch... and if you consider Minatos eyes normal then yes a normal eye could see the attack coming since Minato was able too and he hasn't shown to have any eye augments.
I'll admit to this, at first i thought that minato had placed a tag on Tobis back and he had teleported to that, my mistake.
Orochimaru used a lot of distractions and also had numerous people helping him. Tobi also had planned things out as he knew when to strike and how hard, he was using the kyubii as an distraction and a weapon. Just as Orochimaru used his summons and minons as an distraction and weapon. Orochimaru also did not win and even though minato won the battle Tobis actions caused Minato to have to give up his own life which in my opinion is a far greater loss.
Wouldn't that grant him better reflexs? It doesn't matter how he does it so long as he can do it, taking away a character power isn't really a far argument since it can cripple every character in this manga, what if minato didn't have ftg would he have beat tobi? Would he have been able to save the village?
We havn't seen Minato use taijutsu so i can't compare the two and there is no proof stating that minato was any better at taijutsu with FTG
Its not really useless as he could warp to a place thats out of sight or a place that cant be reached easily without teleportation, his jutsu doesn't work like minato's yes however him teleporting parts of his body makes up for that. Also i wouldn't call a second or two alot of time to react when the person has to get to tobi first as logically if his teleporting is so slow then he wouldn't tele near the person hes fighting.

 

[Aertes]

Also you don't know for sure that Tobi has to warp to his dimension to teleport, look at kakashi he has warped many explosions without them going to the other dimension also when tobi teleported he was never shown to have gone to his dimension. While im not going to deny that Minatos S/T jutsu is fast it does require that tags already be placed where he wants to go, while tobis does not.

My post isn't off topic as im commenting on the points you made...
Also are you talking about this, were kakashi stopped trying because he was guilt talked by obito about how he couldn't even save his friends?

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Also for Tobi getting cornered are you talking about this, where he couldn't do anything because he was caught between attacks in different dimensions and no matter what he did would get hit?

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Im not gonna sit here and let you say that Tobi somehow does not have the best reflex's in this manga when his intangiblity jutsu is centered around how well he can react to an attack.
As for intelligence i would say he's pretty intelligent as he did think of a plan to beat minato however he was not aware of the FGT and that minto could form instant tags. He was also smart enough to plan an attack against the leaf and almost destroy the entire village. I dont see how he isn't intelligent when literally everything he has done he has had a plan behind it.
When it comes to speed tobi is fast and has as stated before godlike reflex's

When did Kakashi wrap an explosion without sending to kamui dimension??And where did he send them??Because there was no panel indicating that they were send elsewhere?How else can Tobi teleport if not going to the other dimension???
Yes I am talking about the part that Kakashi was so shocked and felt so guilty that his best friend, who tough was a hero, turned out to fall so low and try to destroy the whole world.
Yes I am talking about that part when he could kamui Kakashi out of the dimension and not allow him to hit him.Would that be so hard??It wasn't even a great plan but Obito fell for it.That doesn't indicate a strategic mind when it comes to fight.He is excellent in planning and manipulating others but not very intelligent when it comes to fight.
Kamui imo is the highest and most perfect S/T jutsu.It grants the user a different dimension.Minato's S/T jutsu didn't have such thing.Also kamui is instant, it requires only eye contact with the target(Kakashi's version) or touch(Obito's version).Minato's FTG requires prep time,marked kunais or seals.
But somehow Minato in the little panel time he had, he proved that even with this drawbacks his reflexes and intelligence overcame the drawbacks and managed to be recognized by A as the fastest shinobi.He also managed to beat Obito in speed and S/T jutsu usage.
Obito has good reflexes cause he has the sharingan,an eye designed to predict the enemies movements.He is also very good in using one of kamuis techniques.
My argument is that other shinobis without having a KKG like sharingan,which automatically gives you an advantage, have demonstrated better feats when it comes to speed and effectively using a S/T to increase their speed.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

Fastest from point a to point b. he gets there quicker than anyone. Obito's is superior because he doesn't need seals and he can teleport body parts despite this his teleportation is slower. Remember how he slowly swirls away?

 

[BloodSeed]

i dont know y kishi made minato say that, when 2 sec after that he owned obito with FTG lvl 2 xD. and if raikage was faster he wouldve landed the hit. end of story lol

it was advanced, maybe minato and tobirama's space time are the best, maybe he cant believe someone using spacetime too took it on another level, he doesnt know that it was a hax jutsu from sharingan, no need for seals whatsoever

 

[EPICMenma]

If Minato said : I am fastest of all time!
The Flash: Bitch Please.