Why is Itachi so overpowered by people...

[Cascade]

Wrong -rep, i dont understand why you would make a thread like this when you clearly have no idea what your talking about.

 

[The Necromancer]

Well no, because I think a major misconception is that Minato only had to think about Naruto. He had to think about a major threat in Tobi, and importantly, the well being and political/military power of Konoha. You're overlooking these things.

Minato also had a fallback in that the 3rd hokage was alive and well. In the end if he failed there were countless other people who could salvage it, while itachi was alone from the very start.

 

[Helikido]

Not sure how this turned into such a thread but ill respond before i log off.
Itachi's and minato's plan are both a gamble and nothing more, if you know the definition of a gamble you'd note that, that is exactly what both did. The major difference is that minato's gamble is paying off whilst itachi's isnt. Intelligence can never be based on a gamble, but even that minato had clear advantages.

Firstly his plan was based on a gamble that jiraiya introduced to him;

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The whole of minato's plan had a foundation even if its a gamble still a foundation that he based his gamble on (plan). If jiraiya had never spoken to minato about the whole destined child story, do you really think minato wouldve done what he did and sealed it in naruto. I do however give him acknowledgement in the sense that although it was gamble in sealing the fox in his son (because naruto couldve easily turned out like gaara part 1 or worse), his gamble was accurate, naruto is indeed the destined child.

Secondly minato died in his mid 20's, thats when he formulated the plan. Itachi's plan wasnt really was more forced on him by danzo, but nevertheless he was 13 when he formulated this plan. Both might be a geniuses, but you cannot surely compare a genius who is in their mid 20's to a genius who was 13. Although a genius, itachi was still a naive kid. The two plans apart from it basically being a gamble there is also a sense of maturity in their decision. Asuma for example who has never been noted to be a genius wouldve come up with a better plan than 13 year old itachi if he was in his position. Its more to do with life experience rather than actual genius. Itachi at 21 has realised what he did and thast the whole point, he has matured

I guess this sums it all up ^

 

[The Necromancer]

Lol... i just realized this once again turned into a Itachi Vs. Minato thread. Albeit on a different basis.

 

[Ngylle]

Wait what... plan all what? figuring out tobi was not a plan. And putting the kyuubi in naruto was a gamble with as good of a chance as me winning at craps. Plot saved naruto for 13 years, kakashi took over for one, and jiriaya took it from there for 3 more until plot could once again save naruto from tobi.

Come on man, you really have to be smart to plan all that, do you know how many brain cell a person needs to get to that conclusion.

Strongest Weapon+Kid= Broken!, the bad guy does not stand a chances.+ the help of a lucky cooki. then break it .
'''Your legacy will rule the world in the future''
Sounds like a plan!.

Thats the perfect plan, What could go wrong?
-The kid turns evil
-The kid gets killed
-The masked man comes back to kidnap
-the will of fire fail him
-much more

the perfect 17 years plan

 

[The Necromancer]

Come on man, you really have to be smart to plan all that, do you know how many brain cell a person needs to get to that conclusion.

Strongest Weapon+Kid= Broken!, the bad guy does not stand a chances.+ the help of a lucky cooki. then break it .
'''Your legacy will rule the world in the future''
Sounds like a plan!.

Thats the perfect plan, What could go wrong?
-The kid turns evil
-The kid gets killed
-The masked man comes back to kidnap
-the will of fire fail him
-much more

the perfect 17 years plan

I honestly and truly don't mean to be a d**k... but i have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Enton]

Minato also had a fallback in that the 3rd hokage was alive and well. In the end if he failed there were countless other people who could salvage it, while itachi was alone from the very start.

He knew the third couldn't handle Tobi at that time U_U

 

[The Necromancer]

He knew the third couldn't handle Tobi at that time U_U

Not to kill tobi. To keep konoha safe and pick up the pieces if his entire plan failed. Like a vice president if the president dies.

 

[Enton]

Not to kill tobi. To keep konoha safe and pick up the pieces if his entire plan failed. Like a vice president if the president dies.

Perhaps. Blaze Release covered it pretty well. And in any case, I just wanted to see how people could prove Itachi is smarter than Minato or vice versa. The truth is there is no way of knowing. But that Helikido fella....my my my.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Itachi is strong yes but OP, no.First of all,he didn'tkill his clan. He had help from tobi. So all this talk of him killing his entire clan is a lie. Secondly, people say that when he encountered J-man he could have defeated him, uhhhh, no. J-man would have destroyed him with sagemode at that time. Itachi had to rest is sharingan so...yeah.

Now yes, itachi is very smart, but don't pu him up to par with people like minato or shikamaru. The only smart thing he did was killing the uchiha clan so sasuke can kill him and go back as a hero. But that didn't even work.But minato 16 year later plan did. But wait,you may say tobi changed sasuke mind. please,sasuke was brainwashed but it was his choice.

also,during the fight with pein and kabuto itachi would have been on his last leg but because of edo he managed to use attacks that wouldn't drain him. during the fight with sasuke his chakra was drained quickly, why, because he was using good techs, but what good are techs when you are low on chakra.

Now, i know itachi is strong,but I wouldn't put him up to par with naruto and sasuke now.don't even say edo itachi can beat them because I can easily say edo naruto can destroy itachi. itachi is on kage level but when people over hype his failures and accomplishments his power is then stretched.

in part 1when itachi fought kakashi, he won because itachi wasn't an experience fighter with a uchiha,please don't say obito since he didn't have his sharigan until that mission.but once guy came it was a different ball game. and at that time he had his gates. I'll even say itachi and guy are close.


say what you want, but if itachi was as op as you say, he would have stayed in the war and fought,or even have been alive

unlike itachi minato plans worked and are still working (naruto)

i like itachi, he'scool and strong but op , no, naruto is op,sasuke ems is op, tobi is op,minato is op

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[Sonin]

Not to kill tobi. To keep konoha safe and pick up the pieces if his entire plan failed. Like a vice president if the president dies.

Sasuke wouldn't have pursued power so much if it werent for Orochimaru.. The CS pushed him to break the bonds seeing that he had to leave konoha to persue it. Itachi's plans had un-planned fall backs that pushed in the right direction. Both ninja gambled on lucky and hoped for the best. That is all they could do.

 

[The Necromancer]

Perhaps. Blaze Release covered it pretty well. And in any case, I just wanted to see how people could prove Itachi is smarter than Minato or vice versa. The truth is there is no way of knowing. But that Helikido fella....my my my.

There's no way to know who's smarter. There are too many versions of intelligence.

 

[MRMichael]

Itachi is not OP
The only ones who might complain about that is because they are uchiha haters or uchiha fan boys but you all have to stop looking at itachi as a uchiha you need to look at him as itachi countless people have said that itachi was on a whole other level then the rest of his clan he is one of the strongest shinobi to grace the panels of this manga and some people are going to have to live with this or make your own manga

 

[Sonin]

There's no way to know who's smarter. There are too many versions of intelligence.

I just wish everyone would accept this

 

[Ngylle]

@necromance
Next time i will leave a special note, pointing out. that minato's plan was nothing more than a gamble without thinking in the real problem.

Tobi!
who knows maybe minato put a plot seal on tobi so he will stay away of naruto for 17 years.. lol

 

[Kingace003]

One shot Genjutsu.

One shot amaturasu flames (if it lands) only 2 people can dodge.

One shot Totdka blade.

V3 susanoo.

Best defense in manga.

Smartest person in manga.

Seems pretty OP to me.

Ohh and Izanami

nuff said

 

[MangekyouJ]

One shot Genjutsu.

One shot amaturasu flames (if it lands) only 2 people can dodge.

One shot Totdka blade.

V3 susanoo.

Best defense in manga.

Smartest person in manga.

Seems pretty OP to me.

Ohh and Izanami

I've seen a LOT of flaws in the post prior to this one but this ^^^^^ has the most....

1. More than 2 people can dodge amaterasu....the 4th raikage only got burned because he wanted sure footing to capture Sasuke....

2. The Sealing blade of Totsuka has no speed feats.....try again..

3. V3 Susanoo??? Itachi hasn't shown perfect Susanoo...stop assuming he can do it...

4. Best Defense.....wrong, that goes to Oro and Neji, the Triple Rashamon (which was destroyed by a 4 tailed TBB) and Neji's Kaiten (which deflects EVERYTHING)....so when We see a Susanoo can deflect a TBB....then that statement can be classified as truth...

5. Smartest person.....no, Shikaku and Shikamaru are both smarter than he is....Minato was even smarter than he is....

Izanami....REally??? REALLY?? I'm not even gonna start on that...because there are quite a few people that Izanami doesn't affect....so you really have to try again....


Ok, I'll got made respect for ITachi, he's proven that he's without a doubt top tier.....His brilliance made him what he was. The way he portrayed himself was great...still defending the village to the very end. Giving the KA Crow to Naruto to stop Sasuke...that was brilliant....

He's not OP, he's an original child prodigy just like Minato was.....an anomoly amongst the ninja in his time...

 

[GofOfNothing]

this guy got controll over himself even though he was summoned with edo tensei,he just ended a f*cking jutsu which is supposed to be unreleasable like it was nothing and there are still people who claim that he isnt as strong as people think he is.

 

[MangekyouJ]

this guy got controll over himself even though he was summoned with edo tensei,he just ended a f*cking jutsu which is supposed to be unreleasable like it was nothing and there are still people who claim that he isnt as strong as people think he is.

You know what....I agree with you...he's brilliant....but he's not OP....he's brilliance makes him stand above the rest....he's not OP, he's just "That Guy" that can't nobody really mess with....I don't agree how he killed Oro....really I don't....because I kinda like CS Sasuke a little better....but Itachi is a thumbs up in my book...

 

[Gin-San]

Nah, he is OP.

Kisi likes to completely over power Uchihas. For what reason, I dunno.